I'm not new to Genealogy, have been involved for 20+ years. Currently, I belong to about 15 Hereditary Societies, being an officer in a couple. Charlemagne has always evaded me as I have no relative on the approved Gateway List. My large group of ancestors were early settlers starting with the Mayflower (Bradford & Warren) all through the Eastern Coast. I'm posting a few potential New Gateway Ancestors and would welcome any thoughts or advice.. I probably have about 25+ more that could be considered. My Data Base in Reunion is quite large.

Kenelm Winslow 1599-1672, England > Salem, MA,
Spouse: Elinor Worden 1598-1681, England > Marshfield, MA
Line: Edward > Kenelm > William > Thomas > Agnes Throckmorton

Sarah Tracy, abt 1621-1708, Holland > Duxbury, MA
Spouse: George Partridge, 1605-1695. England > Duxbury, MA
Line: Tryphosa de Leigh > Anne Hungerford > Anthony > John > Anthony

Honor Tucker, 1613-1684, England > Scituate, MA
Spouse: Cornet Robert Stetson,1615-1703, England > Scituate, MA
Line: John Tucker (Tooker) > John > Honer Erisey > Christina Grenville > Roger

John Hudson, abt 1623-1688, England > Duxbury, MA
Spouse: Ann Rogers, 1634-1712, Scituate, MA > Marshfield, MA
Line: Ralph > Anne Tankard > Ralph > Anne Pullen > John > Richard > Ralph > Elizabeth Beckwith

Mary Gurney, 1628-1658, England > Billerica, MA
Spouse: Daniel Shedd, 1620-1708, England > Billerica, MA
Line: John > Francis > Ellen Blennerhassett > Elizabeth Cornwallis

Elizabeth Warren, 1629-1715, England > Groton, MA
Spouse: James Knapp, 1627-1696, England > Groton, MA
Line: John > John > John > Robert > John > Griffen de Warene & Margaret Corbet

James Glass, 1620-1652, Holland > Plymouth, MA
Spouse: Mary Ann Pontus, 1626-1690, Holland > Plymouth, MA
Line: Mary de Cogan > Henry > Elizabeth Carye > Richard > William Carye & Mary Boleyne

Thomas Clifton, 1606-1681, England > MA
Spouse: Mary Longothame, 1600-1687 England > MA
Line: Richard Clifton > George Clifton & Winfred Throld

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 9:37:09 AM UTC-8, dahe...@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm not new to Genealogy, have been involved for 20+ years. Currently, I belong to about 15 Hereditary Societies, being an officer in a couple. Charlemagne has always evaded me as I have no relative on the approved Gateway List. My large group of ancestors were early settlers starting with the Mayflower (Bradford & Warren) all through the Eastern Coast. I'm posting a few potential New Gateway Ancestors and would welcome any thoughts or advice. I probably have about 25+ more that could be considered. My Data Base in Reunion is quite large.
>
> Kenelm Winslow 1599-1672, England > Salem, MA,
> Spouse: Elinor Worden 1598-1681, England > Marshfield, MA
> Line: Edward > Kenelm > William > Thomas > Agnes Throckmorton
>

Just touching your first entry Kenelm

https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00583610&tree=LEO

we see here, no known ascent

what is your source

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 10:37:09 AM UTC-7, dahe...@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm not new to Genealogy, have been involved for 20+ years. Currently, I belong to about 15 Hereditary Societies, being an officer in a couple. Charlemagne has always evaded me as I have no relative on the approved Gateway List. My large group of ancestors were early settlers starting with the Mayflower (Bradford & Warren) all through the Eastern Coast. I'm posting a few potential New Gateway Ancestors and would welcome any thoughts or advice. I probably have about 25+ more that could be considered. My Data Base in Reunion is quite large.
>
> Kenelm Winslow 1599-1672, England > Salem, MA,
> Spouse: Elinor Worden 1598-1681, England > Marshfield, MA
> Line: Edward > Kenelm > William > Thomas > Agnes Throckmorton
>
Regarding the Winslows, I suggest reviewing Anderson, _Pilgrim Migration_ (2004), pp 1-2, 344, & 518-521. Kenelm m. Ellen Newton, widow of John Adams, though her identity as a Newton is somewhat circumstantial. You don't give your descent from the Winslows, but their son Kenelm (s1635-1715) did m. Mercy Worden, daughter of Peter & Mary Worden, gr-daughter of Peter & Margaret Worden. This Peter is a verified gateway. Here's my page on your Kenelm: https://www.gdcooke.org/ss/org2-o/p5614.htm

See also Fradd, _The Winslow Families of Worcestershire_ (2009). An extensive and detailed analysis that does not provide a yes/no conclusion regarding the possible royal descent of the Winslow brothers.

Hope this helps,

Greg

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 10:24:41 AM UTC-8, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 9:37:09 AM UTC-8, dahe...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I'm not new to Genealogy, have been involved for 20+ years. Currently, I belong to about 15 Hereditary Societies, being an officer in a couple. Charlemagne has always evaded me as I have no relative on the approved Gateway List. My large group of ancestors were early settlers starting with the Mayflower (Bradford & Warren) all through the Eastern Coast. I'm posting a few potential New Gateway Ancestors and would welcome any thoughts or advice.. I probably have about 25+ more that could be considered. My Data Base in Reunion is quite large.
> >
> > Kenelm Winslow 1599-1672, England > Salem, MA,
> > Spouse: Elinor Worden 1598-1681, England > Marshfield, MA
> > Line: Edward > Kenelm > William > Thomas > Agnes Throckmorton
> >
> Just touching your first entry Kenelm
>
> https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00583610&tree=LEO
>
> we see here, no known ascent

Not necessarily true. Just because there is no ascent recorded in Genealogics doesn't mean there is "no known ascent". You should be more specific in your claims.

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 1:55:53 PM UTC-5, gdco...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 10:37:09 AM UTC-7, dahe...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I'm not new to Genealogy, have been involved for 20+ years. Currently, I belong to about 15 Hereditary Societies, being an officer in a couple. Charlemagne has always evaded me as I have no relative on the approved Gateway List. My large group of ancestors were early settlers starting with the Mayflower (Bradford & Warren) all through the Eastern Coast. I'm posting a few potential New Gateway Ancestors and would welcome any thoughts or advice.. I probably have about 25+ more that could be considered. My Data Base in Reunion is quite large.
> >
> > Kenelm Winslow 1599-1672, England > Salem, MA,
> > Spouse: Elinor Worden 1598-1681, England > Marshfield, MA
> > Line: Edward > Kenelm > William > Thomas > Agnes Throckmorton
> >
> Regarding the Winslows, I suggest reviewing Anderson, _Pilgrim Migration_ (2004), pp 1-2, 344, & 518-521. Kenelm m. Ellen Newton, widow of John Adams, though her identity as a Newton is somewhat circumstantial. You don't give your descent from the Winslows, but their son Kenelm (s1635-1715) did m. Mercy Worden, daughter of Peter & Mary Worden, gr-daughter of Peter & Margaret Worden. This Peter is a verified gateway. Here's my page on your Kenelm: https://www.gdcooke.org/ss/org2-o/p5614.htm
>
> See also Fradd, _The Winslow Families of Worcestershire_ (2009). An extensive and detailed analysis that does not provide a yes/no conclusion regarding the possible royal descent of the Winslow brothers.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Greg
Yes, that is my line, from Kenelm Winslow/Elinot Worden > Ellen Winslow/Rev.. Samuel Baker > Lydia Baker/Josiaha Keene > Lydia Keene/George Partridge > Sarah Partridge/Asa Hunt > Capt. Ziba Hunt/Joanne Clarke Blount > George Hunt/Elizabeth Deming > Lydia Hunt/Orren Finch, my GGG Grandparents

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 12:37:09 PM UTC-5, dahe...@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm not new to Genealogy, have been involved for 20+ years. Currently, I belong to about 15 Hereditary Societies, being an officer in a couple. Charlemagne has always evaded me as I have no relative on the approved Gateway List. My large group of ancestors were early settlers starting with the Mayflower (Bradford & Warren) all through the Eastern Coast. I'm posting a few potential New Gateway Ancestors and would welcome any thoughts or advice. I probably have about 25+ more that could be considered. My Data Base in Reunion is quite large.
>
> Kenelm Winslow 1599-1672, England > Salem, MA,
> Spouse: Elinor Worden 1598-1681, England > Marshfield, MA
> Line: Edward > Kenelm > William > Thomas > Agnes Throckmorton
>
> Sarah Tracy, abt 1621-1708, Holland > Duxbury, MA
> Spouse: George Partridge, 1605-1695. England > Duxbury, MA
> Line: Tryphosa de Leigh > Anne Hungerford > Anthony > John > Anthony
>
> Honor Tucker, 1613-1684, England > Scituate, MA
> Spouse: Cornet Robert Stetson,1615-1703, England > Scituate, MA
> Line: John Tucker (Tooker) > John > Honer Erisey > Christina Grenville > Roger
>
> John Hudson, abt 1623-1688, England > Duxbury, MA
> Spouse: Ann Rogers, 1634-1712, Scituate, MA > Marshfield, MA
> Line: Ralph > Anne Tankard > Ralph > Anne Pullen > John > Richard > Ralph > Elizabeth Beckwith
>
> Mary Gurney, 1628-1658, England > Billerica, MA
> Spouse: Daniel Shedd, 1620-1708, England > Billerica, MA
> Line: John > Francis > Ellen Blennerhassett > Elizabeth Cornwallis
>
> Elizabeth Warren, 1629-1715, England > Groton, MA
> Spouse: James Knapp, 1627-1696, England > Groton, MA
> Line: John > John > John > Robert > John > Griffen de Warene & Margaret Corbet

This line, sadly, is made up junk. There is no "de Warene" here.
--Joe C

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 12:45:24 PM UTC-8, jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 10:24:41 AM UTC-8, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 9:37:09 AM UTC-8, dahe...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > I'm not new to Genealogy, have been involved for 20+ years. Currently, I belong to about 15 Hereditary Societies, being an officer in a couple. Charlemagne has always evaded me as I have no relative on the approved Gateway List. My large group of ancestors were early settlers starting with the Mayflower (Bradford & Warren) all through the Eastern Coast. I'm posting a few potential New Gateway Ancestors and would welcome any thoughts or advice. I probably have about 25+ more that could be considered. My Data Base in Reunion is quite large.
> > >
> > > Kenelm Winslow 1599-1672, England > Salem, MA,
> > > Spouse: Elinor Worden 1598-1681, England > Marshfield, MA
> > > Line: Edward > Kenelm > William > Thomas > Agnes Throckmorton
> > >
> > Just touching your first entry Kenelm
> >
> > https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00583610&tree=LEO
> >
> > we see here, no known ascent
> Not necessarily true. Just because there is no ascent recorded in Genealogics doesn't mean there is "no known ascent". You should be more specific in your claims.

Reading comprehension

I said "we see HERE no known ascent". Note the use of HERE to express, this, place.

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 6:18:25 PM UTC-5, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:

> > > Just touching your first entry Kenelm
> > >
> > > https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00583610&tree=LEO
> > >
> > > we see here, no known ascent
> > Not necessarily true. Just because there is no ascent recorded in Genealogics doesn't mean there is "no known ascent". You should be more specific in your claims.
> Reading comprehension
>
> I said "we see HERE no known ascent". Note the use of HERE to express, this, place.

Come on, Will. If you’re going to be pedantic, you should probably be meticulous about your punctuation as well. I could as easily read your quote: “Just touching your first entry Kenelm [link] we see here, no known ascent” as “Regarding your first entry Kenelm whom I see here, there is no known ascent.” Obviously OP read it this way too. Just because it’s obvious in your head doesn’t mean everyone else has to be called out for needing “reading comprehension.”

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 6:18:25 PM UTC-5, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
…….
> > > Just touching your first entry Kenelm
> > >
> > > https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00583610&tree=LEO
> > >
> > > we see here, no known ascent
> > Not necessarily true. Just because there is no ascent recorded in Genealogics doesn't mean there is "no known ascent". You should be more specific in your claims.
> Reading comprehension
>
> I said "we see HERE no known ascent". Note the use of HERE to express, this, place.

Come on, Will. If you’re going to be pedantic, you should probably be meticulous about your punctuation as well. I could as easily read your quote: “Just touching your first entry Kenelm [link] we see here, no known ascent” as “Regarding your first entry Kenelm whom I see here, there is no known ascent.” Obviously OP read it this way too. Just because it’s obvious in your head doesn’t mean someone else has to be called out for needing “reading comprehension..”

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 2:39:26 PM UTC-8, joe...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 12:37:09 PM UTC-5, dahe...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Elizabeth Warren, 1629-1715, England > Groton, MA
> > Spouse: James Knapp, 1627-1696, England > Groton, MA
> > Line: John > John > John > Robert > John > Griffen de Warene & Margaret Corbet
> This line, sadly, is made up junk. There is no "de Warene" here.

Just to amplify, we were just discussing the Griffin Wareyn/de Warenne who is claimed to have married Margaret Corbet on another thread here. The John, son of Griffin at the end of this pedigree had only two known children, a son Griffin who died unmarried before reaching majority, and a daughter Margaret/Marjory who was the eventual heiress of her parents, so there was no son Robert. Do you know where the part of the line running through John, John, John and Robert supposedly lived?

taf

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 8:05:52 PM UTC-5, taf wrote:
> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 2:39:26 PM UTC-8, joe...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 12:37:09 PM UTC-5, dahe...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Elizabeth Warren, 1629-1715, England > Groton, MA
> > > Spouse: James Knapp, 1627-1696, England > Groton, MA
> > > Line: John > John > John > Robert > John > Griffen de Warene & Margaret Corbet
> > This line, sadly, is made up junk. There is no "de Warene" here.
> Just to amplify, we were just discussing the Griffin Wareyn/de Warenne who is claimed to have married Margaret Corbet on another thread here. The John, son of Griffin at the end of this pedigree had only two known children, a son Griffin who died unmarried before reaching majority, and a daughter Margaret/Marjory who was the eventual heiress of her parents, so there was no son Robert. Do you know where the part of the line running through John, John, John and Robert supposedly lived?

John Warren, immigrant, was baptized Aug 1, 1585 in Nayland, Suffolk
John Warren, his father was born about 1552, probably Nayland, Suffolk
John Warren, husbandman, his father was of Nayland, born say 1525, and left in his will a modest amount; 12d to the 12 poorest people in town, a dish, etc.
Robert Warren was of Wyston (Winston?) Suffolk, left a will proved Feb 1545/5, with his own property and not much else (20s to a daughter, etc).

Nothing is known as to Robert's origins, but there is only wishful thinking to tie him to higher classes.

--Joe Cook

> > Honor Tucker, 1613-1684, England > Scituate, MA
> > Spouse: Cornet Robert Stetson,1615-1703, England > Scituate, MA
> > Line: John Tucker (Tooker) > John > Honer Erisey > Christina Grenville > Roger

I have not seen this line before...but it is (slightly) more interesting than the others.
Honor Tucker was baptized 28 Feb 1613 in Plymouth, Devon to one John Tucker.

It has been assumed this was the John Tucker who married Urith Dinnis in 1602 (Plymouth, Devon) since Honor's first child was named "Urith". OK. Not sufficient, but ok.

Then searching around Devon, I guess someone saw that there is the following couple in the Visitations of Devon, 1564:

William Tucker (of Exeter, Devon) and Honora Erissey. William Tucker is very well documented in DNB and elsewhere. And they jumped at the name "Honora" being in the family there.
In that visitation, they are listed with five sons, all of whom could potentially be a parent to John Tucker. There are two children named John of those five.

So, not really a lot to go on; more wishful thinking than anything else; but maybe more worth chasing down than the others..
--joe cook

A segunda-feira, 13 de dezembro de 2021 à(s) 18:55:53 UTC, gdco...@gmail.com escreveu:
> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 10:37:09 AM UTC-7, dahe...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I'm not new to Genealogy, have been involved for 20+ years. Currently, I belong to about 15 Hereditary Societies, being an officer in a couple. Charlemagne has always evaded me as I have no relative on the approved Gateway List. My large group of ancestors were early settlers starting with the Mayflower (Bradford & Warren) all through the Eastern Coast. I'm posting a few potential New Gateway Ancestors and would welcome any thoughts or advice.. I probably have about 25+ more that could be considered. My Data Base in Reunion is quite large.
> >
> > Kenelm Winslow 1599-1672, England > Salem, MA,
> > Spouse: Elinor Worden 1598-1681, England > Marshfield, MA
> > Line: Edward > Kenelm > William > Thomas > Agnes Throckmorton
> >
> Regarding the Winslows, I suggest reviewing Anderson, _Pilgrim Migration_ (2004), pp 1-2, 344, & 518-521. Kenelm m. Ellen Newton, widow of John Adams, though her identity as a Newton is somewhat circumstantial. You don't give your descent from the Winslows, but their son Kenelm (s1635-1715) did m. Mercy Worden, daughter of Peter & Mary Worden, gr-daughter of Peter & Margaret Worden. This Peter is a verified gateway. Here's my page on your Kenelm: https://www.gdcooke.org/ss/org2-o/p5614.htm
>
> See also Fradd, _The Winslow Families of Worcestershire_ (2009). An extensive and detailed analysis that does not provide a yes/no conclusion regarding the possible royal descent of the Winslow brothers.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Greg

The Throckmorton descent, specifically, is definitely wrong, though. As noted at https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Throckmorton-26, Agnes Throckmorton Winslow had no sons.
Kay Allen said at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/qcpu4pDfphI/m/UCFxSglFiWQJ
that Agnes's husband Thonas may have had a younger brother who was ancestor of the Winslow brothers

I've lost count over how many potential gateway ancestors I've gone through.. I've probably seriously investigated at least 12. Out of these some turned out to be just wishful thinking. Others right family, but wrong branch. Others just poor research. I had virtually given up on finding any ancestors whose roots would take me back to the aristocracy, let alone anyone like Charlemagne. Then one day while researching a newly discovered ancestor, Thomas Lawrence of Newtown, Long Island, I came across claims that he descended from Charlemagne. My initial reaction was yeah right. Tell me another story. However, I came across a genealogy that used as a reference Gary Boyd Roberts, whom I had never heard of before. When I found out that he was a professional genealogist that got my attention. I soon came across David L. Greene's article on the family and that clinched it. My point is that you can never tell when you might stumble across someone who just might turn out to be an established gateway ancestor or a totally new one for which you discover solid evidence for.

On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 2:32:57 PM UTC-5, pdaw...@gmail.com wrote:
> I've lost count over how many potential gateway ancestors I've gone through. I've probably seriously investigated at least 12. Out of these some turned out to be just wishful thinking. Others right family, but wrong branch. Others just poor research. I had virtually given up on finding any ancestors whose roots would take me back to the aristocracy, let alone anyone like Charlemagne. Then one day while researching a newly discovered ancestor, Thomas Lawrence of Newtown, Long Island, I came across claims that he descended from Charlemagne. My initial reaction was yeah right. Tell me another story. However, I came across a genealogy that used as a reference Gary Boyd Roberts, whom I had never heard of before. When I found out that he was a professional genealogist that got my attention. I soon came across David L. Greene's article on the family and that clinched it. My point is that you can never tell when you might stumble across someone who just might turn out to be an established gateway ancestor or a totally new one for which you discover solid evidence for.
Yes, that's the situation I'm in, having been searching for years, even a couple of rejections. I'm bound to find my Charlemagne connection.

Links to Charlemagne do not just suffer from bad hopping-the-pond conjectures.
Even if you get back to say 1300, you will confront dozens of conjectures that have bad or little evidence.
This is why we really need a sufficient way of indicating the probability of links

A segunda-feira, 13 de dezembro de 2021 à(s) 17:37:09 UTC, dahe...@gmail.com escreveu:
> I'm not new to Genealogy, have been involved for 20+ years. Currently, I belong to about 15 Hereditary Societies, being an officer in a couple. Charlemagne has always evaded me as I have no relative on the approved Gateway List. My large group of ancestors were early settlers starting with the Mayflower (Bradford & Warren) all through the Eastern Coast. I'm posting a few potential New Gateway Ancestors and would welcome any thoughts or advice. I probably have about 25+ more that could be considered. My Data Base in Reunion is quite large.
>
> Kenelm Winslow 1599-1672, England > Salem, MA,
> Spouse: Elinor Worden 1598-1681, England > Marshfield, MA
> Line: Edward > Kenelm > William > Thomas > Agnes Throckmorton
>
> Sarah Tracy, abt 1621-1708, Holland > Duxbury, MA
> Spouse: George Partridge, 1605-1695. England > Duxbury, MA
> Line: Tryphosa de Leigh > Anne Hungerford > Anthony > John > Anthony
>
> Honor Tucker, 1613-1684, England > Scituate, MA
> Spouse: Cornet Robert Stetson,1615-1703, England > Scituate, MA
> Line: John Tucker (Tooker) > John > Honer Erisey > Christina Grenville > Roger
>
> John Hudson, abt 1623-1688, England > Duxbury, MA
> Spouse: Ann Rogers, 1634-1712, Scituate, MA > Marshfield, MA
> Line: Ralph > Anne Tankard > Ralph > Anne Pullen > John > Richard > Ralph > Elizabeth Beckwith
>
> Mary Gurney, 1628-1658, England > Billerica, MA
> Spouse: Daniel Shedd, 1620-1708, England > Billerica, MA
> Line: John > Francis > Ellen Blennerhassett > Elizabeth Cornwallis
>
> Elizabeth Warren, 1629-1715, England > Groton, MA
> Spouse: James Knapp, 1627-1696, England > Groton, MA
> Line: John > John > John > Robert > John > Griffen de Warene & Margaret Corbet
>
> James Glass, 1620-1652, Holland > Plymouth, MA
> Spouse: Mary Ann Pontus, 1626-1690, Holland > Plymouth, MA
> Line: Mary de Cogan > Henry > Elizabeth Carye > Richard > William Carye & Mary Boleyne
>
> Thomas Clifton, 1606-1681, England > MA
> Spouse: Mary Longothame, 1600-1687 England > MA
> Line: Richard Clifton > George Clifton & Winfred Throld

I checked all those on Wikitree and none appears to be substantiated.
However, there is an upcoming article on a possible Henry II descent for Margery Olliver, mother of the Winslow brothers.

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 5:37:09 PM UTC, dahe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Charlemagne has always evaded me as I have no relative on the approved Gateway List.

Where is this list? Is it on a website somewhere. Is this just for the USA? Is there
something similar compiled for other countries. A list of people with
verified descents from Charlemagne in the UK c1800 would be quite large I hope.

Mike

On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 7:02:31 AM UTC-8, mike davis wrote:
> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 5:37:09 PM UTC, dahe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Charlemagne has always evaded me as I have no relative on the approved Gateway List.
> Where is this list? Is it on a website somewhere. Is this just for the USA? Is there
> something similar compiled for other countries. A list of people with
> verified descents from Charlemagne in the UK c1800 would be quite large I hope.
>
> Mike

There is a definitely a list of the "gateway ancestors" that are supposedly linked back to Charlemagne

https://www.charlemagne.org/Gateway.html

I cannot vouch for the credibility of this list, or even this society in general.
So caveat emptor.

On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 8:29:18 AM UTC-8, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
> I cannot vouch for the credibility of this list, or even this society in general.

Hard to evaluate with just names. There are some people listed for whom the most common claim of royal ancestry is unsupportable, but I don't know if there isn't another route that is indeed valid. Some of the obviously bogus ones are absent, which is a good thing. That said, I have also seen claims online that this society has formally recognized connection X, when connecion X has been recognized as false for eons (e.g. thet Gundred, was daughter of William the Conqueror), but one can never know if this represents their current position or is being cited from dated material.

taf

On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 11:29:18 AM UTC-5, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 7:02:31 AM UTC-8, mike davis wrote:
> > On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 5:37:09 PM UTC, dahe...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > Charlemagne has always evaded me as I have no relative on the approved Gateway List.
> > Where is this list? Is it on a website somewhere. Is this just for the USA? Is there
> > something similar compiled for other countries. A list of people with
> > verified descents from Charlemagne in the UK c1800 would be quite large I hope.
> >
> > Mike
> There is a definitely a list of the "gateway ancestors" that are supposedly linked back to Charlemagne
>
> https://www.charlemagne.org/Gateway.html
>
> I cannot vouch for the credibility of this list, or even this society in general.
> So caveat emptor.

This looks to me like the table of contents from Gary Boyd Roberts' _Royal Descents of 900 Immigrants_, with everyone who arrived after about 1700 removed. There are a few additions or differences (for instance, Humphrey Warren is not shown in RD900 with a royal line, though Gary provides a brief discussion of the problems with the claimed line). Notice that the French Canadians in Gary's book have been interspersed at the appropriate alphabetical point.

> There is a definitely a list of the "gateway ancestors" that are supposedly linked back to Charlemagne
>
> https://www.charlemagne.org/Gateway.html
>
> I cannot vouch for the credibility of this list, or even this society in general.
> So caveat emptor.

Thanks for the shout out Will. I inherited the list and now serve as the Order's genealogist. I haven't had a chance to review all the lines listed, but have worked through many of them.

Nathan

On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 2:06:36 PM UTC-8, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
> > There is a definitely a list of the "gateway ancestors" that are supposedly linked back to Charlemagne
> >
> > https://www.charlemagne.org/Gateway.html
> >
> > I cannot vouch for the credibility of this list, or even this society in general.
> > So caveat emptor.
> Thanks for the shout out Will. I inherited the list and now serve as the Order's genealogist. I haven't had a chance to review all the lines listed, but have worked through many of them.
>
> Nathan

Is there going to be at some point, an update that shows the actual line laid-out in full?

On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 10:06:36 PM UTC, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
> > There is a definitely a list of the "gateway ancestors" that are supposedly linked back to Charlemagne
> >
> > https://www.charlemagne.org/Gateway.html
> >
> > I cannot vouch for the credibility of this list, or even this society in general.
> > So caveat emptor.
> Thanks for the shout out Will. I inherited the list and now serve as the Order's genealogist. I haven't had a chance to review all the lines listed, but have worked through many of them.
>
> Nathan

It would be useful to have their born and death dates alongside the names to help id, as many of them
are quite common. I was interested in Dr Charles Carroll; is he is the Dr Charles [d1755] who emigrated
from Ireland in 1715, and went on to establish his family at Mount Clare Md? I'm not sure but it seemed
that both his sons died childless, if so, any descendants could only come from his daughter Mary Clare
who married [1747] Nicholas Macubbin of Annapolis. Does anyone know how Dr Charles was descended
from Charlemagne?

Mike

On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 5:56:34 AM UTC-8, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
> A segunda-feira, 13 de dezembro de 2021 à(s) 17:37:09 UTC, dahe...@gmail.com escreveu:
> > I'm not new to Genealogy, have been involved for 20+ years. Currently, I belong to about 15 Hereditary Societies, being an officer in a couple. Charlemagne has always evaded me as I have no relative on the approved Gateway List. My large group of ancestors were early settlers starting with the Mayflower (Bradford & Warren) all through the Eastern Coast. I'm posting a few potential New Gateway Ancestors and would welcome any thoughts or advice.. I probably have about 25+ more that could be considered. My Data Base in Reunion is quite large.
> >
> > Kenelm Winslow 1599-1672, England > Salem, MA,
> > Spouse: Elinor Worden 1598-1681, England > Marshfield, MA
> > Line: Edward > Kenelm > William > Thomas > Agnes Throckmorton
> >
> > Sarah Tracy, abt 1621-1708, Holland > Duxbury, MA
> > Spouse: George Partridge, 1605-1695. England > Duxbury, MA
> > Line: Tryphosa de Leigh > Anne Hungerford > Anthony > John > Anthony
> >
> > Honor Tucker, 1613-1684, England > Scituate, MA
> > Spouse: Cornet Robert Stetson,1615-1703, England > Scituate, MA
> > Line: John Tucker (Tooker) > John > Honer Erisey > Christina Grenville > Roger
> >
> > John Hudson, abt 1623-1688, England > Duxbury, MA
> > Spouse: Ann Rogers, 1634-1712, Scituate, MA > Marshfield, MA
> > Line: Ralph > Anne Tankard > Ralph > Anne Pullen > John > Richard > Ralph > Elizabeth Beckwith
> >
> > Mary Gurney, 1628-1658, England > Billerica, MA
> > Spouse: Daniel Shedd, 1620-1708, England > Billerica, MA
> > Line: John > Francis > Ellen Blennerhassett > Elizabeth Cornwallis
> >
> > Elizabeth Warren, 1629-1715, England > Groton, MA
> > Spouse: James Knapp, 1627-1696, England > Groton, MA
> > Line: John > John > John > Robert > John > Griffen de Warene & Margaret Corbet
> >
> > James Glass, 1620-1652, Holland > Plymouth, MA
> > Spouse: Mary Ann Pontus, 1626-1690, Holland > Plymouth, MA
> > Line: Mary de Cogan > Henry > Elizabeth Carye > Richard > William Carye & Mary Boleyne
> >
> > Thomas Clifton, 1606-1681, England > MA
> > Spouse: Mary Longothame, 1600-1687 England > MA
> > Line: Richard Clifton > George Clifton & Winfred Throld
> I checked all those on Wikitree and none appears to be substantiated.
> However, there is an upcoming article on a possible Henry II descent for Margery Olliver, mother of the Winslow brothers.
Can you provide more details on this "upcoming" article? What is your source for this information about an upcoming article"