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In 1957, John G. Hunt speculated that the paternal grandmother of Governor William Bradford, passenger in the Mayflower, was a daughter of Robert Morton and Alice Markham named Alice. This would provide Governor William Bradford several royal descnts through Alice Markham including two from Edward I.. Has any further research been done on this?

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On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 3:55:04 PM UTC-4, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
> In 1957, John G. Hunt speculated that the paternal grandmother of Governor William Bradford, passenger in the Mayflower, was a daughter of Robert Morton and Alice Markham named Alice. This would provide Governor William Bradford several royal descnts through Alice Markham including two from Edward I. Has any further research been done on this?
Would also being very interested in this as Bradford is my Mayflower and Colonial Wars Societies ancestor.

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On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 10:45:08 AM UTC-8, dahe...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 3:55:04 PM UTC-4, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
> > In 1957, John G. Hunt speculated that the paternal grandmother of Governor William Bradford, passenger in the Mayflower, was a daughter of Robert Morton and Alice Markham named Alice. This would provide Governor William Bradford several royal descnts through Alice Markham including two from Edward I. Has any further research been done on this?
> Would also being very interested in this as Bradford is my Mayflower and Colonial Wars Societies ancestor.

The pedigree of Morton is here

https://books.google.com/books?id=TCsEAAAAIAAJ&dq=editions%3ALCCN16003198&lr&pg=RA4-PA172#v=onepage&q=Morton&f=false

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On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 4:08:26 PM UTC-5, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 10:45:08 AM UTC-8, dahe...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 3:55:04 PM UTC-4, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
> > > In 1957, John G. Hunt speculated that the paternal grandmother of Governor William Bradford, passenger in the Mayflower, was a daughter of Robert Morton and Alice Markham named Alice. This would provide Governor William Bradford several royal descnts through Alice Markham including two from Edward I. Has any further research been done on this?
> > Would also being very interested in this as Bradford is my Mayflower and Colonial Wars Societies ancestor.
> The pedigree of Morton is here
>
> https://books.google.com/books?id=TCsEAAAAIAAJ&dq=editions%3ALCCN16003198&lr&pg=RA4-PA172#v=onepage&q=Morton&f=false
Has it been accepted by Charlemagne as a gateway ancestor, I descend from their son, William jr.

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 by: John Higgins - Wed, 15 Dec 2021 02:02 UTC

On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 12:55:04 PM UTC-7, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
> In 1957, John G. Hunt speculated that the paternal grandmother of Governor William Bradford, passenger in the Mayflower, was a daughter of Robert Morton and Alice Markham named Alice. This would provide Governor William Bradford several royal descnts through Alice Markham including two from Edward I. Has any further research been done on this?

I assume you're referring to the one-page note by John G. Hunt titled “A Possible Added Morton-Bradford Connection” in NEHGR, vol. 111, p. 68 (1957).

As to further research, you may want to read pp. 11-12 of the article at the link below, published in 2013, which questions some of Hunt's conclusions.. (The link directly downloads the article as a PDF)
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjwponQ0OT0AhVqpFsKHYK6ADQQFnoECAIQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.njmayflower.org%2Fmember%2Fnews%2FNewsletterOct2013.pdf&usg=AOvVaw3vbPnI8D43948ijnzVOQvM

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 by: John Higgins - Wed, 15 Dec 2021 02:14 UTC

On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 1:08:26 PM UTC-8, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 10:45:08 AM UTC-8, dahe...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 3:55:04 PM UTC-4, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
> > > In 1957, John G. Hunt speculated that the paternal grandmother of Governor William Bradford, passenger in the Mayflower, was a daughter of Robert Morton and Alice Markham named Alice. This would provide Governor William Bradford several royal descnts through Alice Markham including two from Edward I. Has any further research been done on this?
> > Would also being very interested in this as Bradford is my Mayflower and Colonial Wars Societies ancestor.
> The pedigree of Morton is here
>
> https://books.google.com/books?id=TCsEAAAAIAAJ&dq=editions%3ALCCN16003198&lr&pg=RA4-PA172#v=onepage&q=Morton&f=false
This may be "a" pedigree of Morton, but it's not "the" pedigree of Morton. It's only marginally useful in relation to this thread, as it simply mentions "Robert Morton of Morton, ancestor of Morton of Bawtry, Co. York" without mentioning his wife or any descendants.

Two better pedigrees of this Morton family(albeit still with problems) can be found in the 1563/64 visitation of Yorkshire (Harleian Society, vol 16 pp. 212-213) and Hunter's Familiae Minorum Gentium, vol. 1 (Harleian Society, vol. 37 pp. 241ff).

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 by: Paulo Ricardo Canedo - Wed, 15 Dec 2021 13:57 UTC

A quarta-feira, 15 de dezembro de 2021 à(s) 02:02:25 UTC, jhigg...@yahoo.com escreveu:
> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 12:55:04 PM UTC-7, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
> > In 1957, John G. Hunt speculated that the paternal grandmother of Governor William Bradford, passenger in the Mayflower, was a daughter of Robert Morton and Alice Markham named Alice. This would provide Governor William Bradford several royal descnts through Alice Markham including two from Edward I. Has any further research been done on this?
> I assume you're referring to the one-page note by John G. Hunt titled “A Possible Added Morton-Bradford Connection” in NEHGR, vol. 111, p. 68 (1957).
>
> As to further research, you may want to read pp. 11-12 of the article at the link below, published in 2013, which questions some of Hunt's conclusions. (The link directly downloads the article as a PDF)
> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjwponQ0OT0AhVqpFsKHYK6ADQQFnoECAIQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.njmayflower.org%2Fmember%2Fnews%2FNewsletterOct2013.pdf&usg=AOvVaw3vbPnI8D43948ijnzVOQvM

Thanks for this, John.

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 by: John Higgins - Thu, 16 Dec 2021 01:17 UTC

On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 6:02:25 PM UTC-8, John Higgins wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 12:55:04 PM UTC-7, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
> > In 1957, John G. Hunt speculated that the paternal grandmother of Governor William Bradford, passenger in the Mayflower, was a daughter of Robert Morton and Alice Markham named Alice. This would provide Governor William Bradford several royal descnts through Alice Markham including two from Edward I. Has any further research been done on this?
> I assume you're referring to the one-page note by John G. Hunt titled “A Possible Added Morton-Bradford Connection” in NEHGR, vol. 111, p. 68 (1957).
>
> As to further research, you may want to read pp. 11-12 of the article at the link below, published in 2013, which questions some of Hunt's conclusions. (The link directly downloads the article as a PDF)
> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjwponQ0OT0AhVqpFsKHYK6ADQQFnoECAIQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.njmayflower.org%2Fmember%2Fnews%2FNewsletterOct2013.pdf&usg=AOvVaw3vbPnI8D43948ijnzVOQvM

Correction: the article is on pp. 12-13, not 11-12, of the above link.

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Subject: Re: Alice Morton Bradford
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 by: Paulo Ricardo Canedo - Thu, 16 Dec 2021 09:13 UTC

A quinta-feira, 16 de dezembro de 2021 à(s) 01:17:35 UTC, jhigg...@yahoo.com escreveu:
> On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 6:02:25 PM UTC-8, John Higgins wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 12:55:04 PM UTC-7, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
> > > In 1957, John G. Hunt speculated that the paternal grandmother of Governor William Bradford, passenger in the Mayflower, was a daughter of Robert Morton and Alice Markham named Alice. This would provide Governor William Bradford several royal descnts through Alice Markham including two from Edward I. Has any further research been done on this?
> > I assume you're referring to the one-page note by John G. Hunt titled “A Possible Added Morton-Bradford Connection” in NEHGR, vol.. 111, p. 68 (1957).
> >
> > As to further research, you may want to read pp. 11-12 of the article at the link below, published in 2013, which questions some of Hunt's conclusions. (The link directly downloads the article as a PDF)
> > https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjwponQ0OT0AhVqpFsKHYK6ADQQFnoECAIQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.njmayflower.org%2Fmember%2Fnews%2FNewsletterOct2013.pdf&usg=AOvVaw3vbPnI8D43948ijnzVOQvM
> Correction: the article is on pp. 12-13, not 11-12, of the above link.
I still found it, though.

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Subject: Re: Alice Morton Bradford
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 by: David Heiden - Fri, 17 Dec 2021 18:08 UTC

On Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 4:13:12 AM UTC-5, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
> A quinta-feira, 16 de dezembro de 2021 à(s) 01:17:35 UTC, jhigg...@yahoo.com escreveu:
> > On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 6:02:25 PM UTC-8, John Higgins wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 12:55:04 PM UTC-7, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
> > > > In 1957, John G. Hunt speculated that the paternal grandmother of Governor William Bradford, passenger in the Mayflower, was a daughter of Robert Morton and Alice Markham named Alice. This would provide Governor William Bradford several royal descnts through Alice Markham including two from Edward I. Has any further research been done on this?
> > > I assume you're referring to the one-page note by John G. Hunt titled “A Possible Added Morton-Bradford Connection” in NEHGR, vol. 111, p. 68 (1957).
> > >
> > > As to further research, you may want to read pp. 11-12 of the article at the link below, published in 2013, which questions some of Hunt's conclusions. (The link directly downloads the article as a PDF)
> > > https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjwponQ0OT0AhVqpFsKHYK6ADQQFnoECAIQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.njmayflower.org%2Fmember%2Fnews%2FNewsletterOct2013..pdf&usg=AOvVaw3vbPnI8D43948ijnzVOQvM
> > Correction: the article is on pp. 12-13, not 11-12, of the above link.
> I still found it, though.
I found as well

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