On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 4:43:51 AM UTC-8, mark.h...@dcu.ie wrote:
> Now on to Herbert.
> I looked at the Herbert sources John provided to try to see how Capt. Jenkin Conway's wife could connect to Herbert.
> The Blennerhassett entry in Burke's Peerage says Capt. Jenkin Conway's wife Mary Herbert was dau of Sir William Herbert of the Coldbrook branch, but does not give more details.
> This may be Sir William Herbert of the Coldbrook branch, Sheriff 1551, died 1579.
> However the Herbert pedigrees do not show a dau Mary, or any marriage to Conway.
> See my summary of all the evidence here:
> https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Herbert/sir.william.coldbrook.html
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> I think the link of Conway to Herbert of Coldbrook must be regarded as uncertain.
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I agree with your conclusion regarding the Herbert connection. We don't have enough information to determine which herbert was the father of Mary who married Capt. Jenkin Conway.

On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 4:42:31 AM UTC-8, mark.h...@dcu.ie wrote:
> I have now read all the Kerry Evening Post articles and letters.
> I summarise what is in them here:
> https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/kep.html
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> Most of it is about Conway of Cloghane.
> Hickson's convincing conclusion is those Conways come from Dublin, and beyond that is uncertain.
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> I also looked through the 1920 article, thanks to John.
> In this and the KEP, there is no real theory of the origin of the Capt. Jenkin Conway line.
> I think the most convincing origin is that of Black Jack, supported by Bartrum's Welsh Genealogies, as John found above.
> See my summary of the Capt. Jenkin origin here:
> https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/harry.html
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I wouldn't yet rule out the Conwy pedigree in J. E. Griffith, "Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" as an alternative to the Black Jack version. At this point, they seem equally plausible. You mention the Griffith work near the botton of this page on your site, with a link to the appropriate pages:
https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/index.html#bartrum
The book itself is available here: https://books.google.ie/books?id=3hVgegx0mNoC&

> I wouldn't yet rule out the Conwy pedigree in J. E. Griffith, "Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" as an alternative to the Black Jack version. At this point, they seem equally plausible. You mention the Griffith work near the botton of this page on your site, with a link to the appropriate pages:
> https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/index.html#bartrum

Griffith has no theory for Capt. Jenkin though.
See pp.260-261.
He shows the line to Peter Conwy, the Archdeacon, but does not show a son Harry.

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On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 2:10:15 PM UTC-8, mark.h...@dcu.ie wrote:
> > I wouldn't yet rule out the Conwy pedigree in J. E. Griffith, "Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" as an alternative to the Black Jack version. At this point, they seem equally plausible. You mention the Griffith work near the botton of this page on your site, with a link to the appropriate pages:
> > https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Conway/index.html#bartrum
> Griffith has no theory for Capt. Jenkin though.
> See pp.260-261.
> He shows the line to Peter Conwy, the Archdeacon, but does not show a son Harry.
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I understand that the Griffith pedigree does not extend beyond Peter Conwy the archdeacon and thus does not connect to Capt. Jenkin Conway. But, if you do get past the Jenkin Conway issue, Griffith is a useful source to be compared with the Black Jack story and Bartrum's pedigrees to work out the earlier ancestry of the Conwy family - i.e., before John Conwy who married Janet Stanley.