Good day everyone,

I am looking for a specific reference that I can't find online unfortunately.

Can anyone help? Thank you!

SOURCE:

William Henry Cooke. Collections Towards the History and Antiquities of the County of Hereford in continuation of Duncumb’s History. Hundred of Grimsworth. (London: John Murray, Albemarle Street. 1892).

Darrell E. Larocque

On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 7:09:13 PM UTC-8, Darrell E. Larocque wrote:
> Good day everyone,
>
> I am looking for a specific reference that I can't find online unfortunately.
>
> Can anyone help? Thank you!
>
> SOURCE:
>
> William Henry Cooke. Collections Towards the History and Antiquities of the County of Hereford in continuation of Duncumb’s History. Hundred of Grimsworth. (London: John Murray, Albemarle Street. 1892).
>
> Darrell E. Larocque

Which volume?

Here for example is Volume 3

https://books.google.com/books/about/Collections_Towards_the_History_and_Anti.html?id=0zxAAAAAYAAJ

For the 1892 book you can try WorldCat here is the entry

https://www.worldcat.org/title/collections-towards-the-history-and-antiquities-of-the-county-of-hereford-in-continuation-of-duncumbs-history-vol-4-hundred-of-grimsworth/oclc/931248121?referer=di&ht=edition

On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 7:09:13 PM UTC-8, Darrell E. Larocque wrote:
> Good day everyone,
>
> I am looking for a specific reference that I can't find online unfortunately.
>
> Can anyone help? Thank you!
>
> SOURCE:
>
> William Henry Cooke. Collections Towards the History and Antiquities of the County of Hereford in continuation of Duncumb’s History. Hundred of Grimsworth. (London: John Murray, Albemarle Street. 1892).
>

It looks to be this:

https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/002574769?type%5B%5D=author&lookfor%5B%5D=cooke&bool%5B%5D=AND&type%5B%5D=title&lookfor%5B%5D=Antiquities%20of%20the%20County%20of%20Hereford&ft

On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 10:52:34 AM UTC-8, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
> For the 1892 book you can try WorldCat here is the entry
>
> https://www.worldcat.org/title/collections-towards-the-history-and-antiquities-of-the-county-of-hereford-in-continuation-of-duncumbs-history-vol-4-hundred-of-grimsworth/oclc/931248121?referer=di&ht=edition

This is the second part of volume 4. Together with its companion part 1 (published in 1886), they cover Grimsworth hundred and were written by William Henry Cooke. I've never been able to locate an online copy of these two volumes.

The Hathitrust catalog seems to have been confused by the rather sporadic history in which this series was published, spanning over a century and with several authors involved. For more details, see the Herefordshire chapter in the 1994 work "A Guide to English County Histories" (C. R. J. Currie and C. P. Lewis, editors).

On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 3:21:53 PM UTC-8, jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 10:52:34 AM UTC-8, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
> > For the 1892 book you can try WorldCat here is the entry
> >
> > https://www.worldcat.org/title/collections-towards-the-history-and-antiquities-of-the-county-of-hereford-in-continuation-of-duncumbs-history-vol-4-hundred-of-grimsworth/oclc/931248121?referer=di&ht=edition
> This is the second part of volume 4. Together with its companion part 1 (published in 1886), they cover Grimsworth hundred and were written by William Henry Cooke. I've never been able to locate an online copy of these two volumes.

The 1892 volume is on Family Search, where it is film 908357, beginning at image 190. When I called up the cat entry it showed access as restricted (by the little key icon) but I clicked on it anyhow and was able to view it.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZZ-FQWT-C?i=189&cat=202072

taf

On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 6:58:58 PM UTC-5, taf wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 3:21:53 PM UTC-8, jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 10:52:34 AM UTC-8, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > For the 1892 book you can try WorldCat here is the entry
> > >
> > > https://www.worldcat.org/title/collections-towards-the-history-and-antiquities-of-the-county-of-hereford-in-continuation-of-duncumbs-history-vol-4-hundred-of-grimsworth/oclc/931248121?referer=di&ht=edition
> > This is the second part of volume 4. Together with its companion part 1 (published in 1886), they cover Grimsworth hundred and were written by William Henry Cooke. I've never been able to locate an online copy of these two volumes.
> The 1892 volume is on Family Search, where it is film 908357, beginning at image 190. When I called up the cat entry it showed access as restricted (by the little key icon) but I clicked on it anyhow and was able to view it.
> https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZZ-FQWT-C?i=189&cat=202072
>
> taf

Hero status my friend... thank you!!! It is the genuine article and I can't save the images fast enough!

Darrell

On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 3:58:58 PM UTC-8, taf wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 3:21:53 PM UTC-8, jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 10:52:34 AM UTC-8, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > For the 1892 book you can try WorldCat here is the entry
> > >
> > > https://www.worldcat.org/title/collections-towards-the-history-and-antiquities-of-the-county-of-hereford-in-continuation-of-duncumbs-history-vol-4-hundred-of-grimsworth/oclc/931248121?referer=di&ht=edition
> > This is the second part of volume 4. Together with its companion part 1 (published in 1886), they cover Grimsworth hundred and were written by William Henry Cooke. I've never been able to locate an online copy of these two volumes.
> The 1892 volume is on Family Search, where it is film 908357, beginning at image 190. When I called up the cat entry it showed access as restricted (by the little key icon) but I clicked on it anyhow and was able to view it..
> https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZZ-FQWT-C?i=189&cat=202072
>
> taf
Todd, I can see how you found 908357 as the film number for the Duncumb work as it appears in the catalog entry for the publication (although now without the key icon over the camera - so it's unlocked now) https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/202072?availability=Family%20History%20Library

But how did you determine that the volume in question started on page 190? Did you just scroll through the film images until you found the right page, or is there some more elegant way to get there? Just curious...

On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:40:42 PM UTC-8, jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:

> But how did you determine that the volume in question started on page 190? Did you just scroll
> through the film images until you found the right page, or is there some more elegant way to get
> there? Just curious...

From memory, I clicked on the camara icon and it gave me the 'tile' view that shows you mini-images of dozens of pages at once. I zoomed out so I could see more tiles at once and get a better feel for what I was dealing with. Knowing from the catalog that the film began with part of volume 2, then had volume 3, 4, etc., I looked over the tiles for the transitions between volumes, which often include white pages with a large bold 'Begin' or 'End'.. Counting forward through the transitions, I selected the one that I guessed would represent the transition from volume 3 to volume 4, and as I zoomed back in to better see the format of the surrounding pages, it became clear the tile before the 'Begin' panel had the format of a title page. Double clicking on that image revealed that this was, in fact, the beginning of volume 4. (Had it not been, I would have returned to the tile view and gone to a previous or subsequent transition, as needed).

taf

On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 3:19:20 PM UTC-8, taf wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:40:42 PM UTC-8, jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > But how did you determine that the volume in question started on page 190? Did you just scroll
> > through the film images until you found the right page, or is there some more elegant way to get
> > there? Just curious...
> From memory, I clicked on the camara icon and it gave me the 'tile' view that shows you mini-images of dozens of pages at once. I zoomed out so I could see more tiles at once and get a better feel for what I was dealing with. Knowing from the catalog that the film began with part of volume 2, then had volume 3, 4, etc., I looked over the tiles for the transitions between volumes, which often include white pages with a large bold 'Begin' or 'End'. Counting forward through the transitions, I selected the one that I guessed would represent the transition from volume 3 to volume 4, and as I zoomed back in to better see the format of the surrounding pages, it became clear the tile before the 'Begin' panel had the format of a title page. Double clicking on that image revealed that this was, in fact, the beginning of volume 4. (Had it not been, I would have returned to the tile view and gone to a previous or subsequent transition, as needed).
>
> taf
Hmm...a creative and productive approach...thanks...