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"民主不是可口可乐,美国生产原浆,全世界一个味道。那些致力于把中美之争渲染成民主与威权较量的人犯了一个最基本的错误,就是将价值理念意义上的民主和政治制度实践中的民主混为一谈。民主是全人类追求的共同价值,从来都不是哪个国家的专利。民主不是抽象的,而是具体的、历史的。民主不是装点门面的投票箱,不是只要形式、程序,不要实质、结果的买椟还珠。“有选举、没选择”的美国“民主灯塔”照不亮国会山“亮丽的风景”。人类政治文明发展史也一再证明,世界上并不存在唯一的、普世的和绝对的民主模式。

长期以来,西方一些人近乎偏执地向发展中国家推行所谓的民主模式,拿自己一国的制度样本衡量和评价别国多样的政治文化历史传统,将多党制加竞选奉为民主唯一和最高的权威模式,大搞党同伐异,类我者是,异我者非,“either with us or against us”。他们打着“民主”的旗号,做的尽是反民主的事情。他们把与本国政治模式不同的国家统统贴上威权”、“专制”和“落后”的标签,肆意干涉他国内政,不能在实质上控制别国,就想在精神上“殖民”别国人民,搞“民主原教旨主义”。他们人为制造的对抗,引发的冲突动荡至今仍让很多国家深陷灾难之中。美西方在非洲、中东等一些国家无视一国具体国情,强行推广西式民主制度,造成贿选腐败、政府国家治理能力不足、国家发展乏力的情况屡见不鲜。更不必说“颜色革命”、“休克疗法”的民主“大跃进”和“阿拉伯之春”带来的惨痛教训和现实恶果。"

https://3w.huanqiu.com/a/c36dc8/440ofz6uXTh?agt=741

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 by: ltlee1 - Mon, 26 Jul 2021 02:21 UTC

On Sunday, July 25, 2021 at 3:27:20 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> "民主不是可口可乐,美国生产原浆,全世界一个味道。那些致力于把中美之争渲染成民主与威权较量的人犯了一个最基本的错误,就是将价值理念意义上的民主和政治制度实践中的民主混为一谈。民主是全人类追求的共同价值,从来都不是哪个国家的专利。民主不是抽象的,而是具体的、历史的。民主不是装点门面的投票箱,不是只要形式、程序,不要实质、结果的买椟还珠。“有选举、没选择”的美国“民主灯塔”照不亮国会山“亮丽的风景”。人类政治文明发展史也一再证明,世界上并不存在唯一的、普世的和绝对的民主模式。

My translation:
"Democracy is not Coca-Cola with U.S. produces the syrup and it tastes the same all over the world. Those who try hard to paint the Sino-U.S. dispute as a contest between democracy and authoritarianism have made the most basic mistake. They have conflated a value based conception of democracy with the practice based reality of democracy. Democracy is a universal value pursued by all mankind. But no country has ever own the patent of democracy. Democracy is not abstract but concrete and historical. Democracy is not the result of a ballot box decorating a political facade. It cannot be just forms and procedures. In the absence of democratic substance, it is like someone buying a "box of pearl" without any pearl inside. America's "Yes on voting but No on real choice" democratic beacon will not brighten and adorn the scenery of the Capitol Hill. Mankind's political, civilization-al development has repeatedly proved that there is no single universal and definitive model for democracy."

Globaltimes.com is again arguing that China is a true democracy with substance. Sino-US competition is not between a democracy and authoritarian. US democracy is decorative and without substance. A box with pearl without pearl. The proverb "buying the box and returning the pearl" tells the story of the buyer returning the pearl because he was satisfied with the beautiful box.

May be someone could provide some statistics to substantiate the claim that the US is a better democracy.

> 长期以来,西方一些人近乎偏执地向发展中国家推行所谓的民主模式,拿自己一国的制度样本衡量和评价别国多样的政治文化历史传统,将多党制加竞选奉为民主唯一和最高的权威模式,大搞党同伐异,类我者是,异我者非,“either with us or against us”。他们打着“民主”的旗号,做的尽是反民主的事情。他们把与本国政治模式不同的国家统统贴上威权”、“专制”和“落后”的标签,肆意干涉他国内政,不能在实质上控制别国,就想在精神上“殖民”别国人民,搞“民主原教旨主义”。他们人为制造的对抗,引发的冲突动荡至今仍让很多国家深陷灾难之中。美西方在非洲、中东等一些国家无视一国具体国情,强行推广西式民主制度,造成贿选腐败、政府国家治理能力不足、国家发展乏力的情况屡见不鲜。更不必说“颜色革命”、“休克疗法”的民主“大跃进”和“阿拉伯之春”带来的惨痛教训和现实恶果。"
> https://3w.huanqiu.com/a/c36dc8/440ofz6uXTh?agt=741

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