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* Re: Dorothy Vernon of Maldon, EssexDarrell E. Larocque
`* Re: Dorothy Vernon of Maldon, EssexWill Johnson
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Subject: Re: Dorothy Vernon of Maldon, Essex
From: frenchco...@gmail.com (Darrell E. Larocque)
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 by: Darrell E. Larocque - Wed, 12 Jan 2022 04:10 UTC

On Friday, November 21, 2014 at 8:45:27 PM UTC-5, leslie...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, May 16, 2014 9:53:29 AM UTC-7, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
> > Here is a line of descent from Malachi Browning down to Hannah Brown, herself the apparent great-grandmother of Hannibal Hamlin, 15th vice president of the U.S.
> >
> > http://fabpedigree.com/s061/f082182.htm
> Notice, however, that in Banks' History of Martha's Vineyard,
> regarding the wife of John Pease,
> "there is a family tradition that her maiden name was Browning,
> and presumably daughter of Malachi Browning of this town."
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=7ZAlAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA102&dq=presumably+daughter+of+Malachi+Browning&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GelvVKuRIYKoNuS-gZgK&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=presumably%20daughter%20of%20Malachi%20Browning&f=false
>
> The account of the family of Malachi Browning in that same
> publication makes no mention at all of the Pease family:
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=7ZAlAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA48&dq=joseph+collier+1648+mary+browning&hl=en&sa=X&ei=JupvVMuvCMabgwS3tYIo&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=joseph%20collier%201648%20mary%20browning&f=false
>
> Leslie

There is another connection from John Pease to Malachi Browning:

A daughter of Malachi, Susannah, married William Vincent (or Vinson), and their granddaughter Abigail Vincent married Nathaniel Pease, grandson of John Pease and Lucy Weston, his other wife.

So it is not a stretch to consider that Mary might have indeed been a daughter of Malachi- Edgartown was a very small place.

Darrell E. Larocque

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 by: Will Johnson - Wed, 12 Jan 2022 20:40 UTC

On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 8:10:26 PM UTC-8, Darrell E. Larocque wrote:
> On Friday, November 21, 2014 at 8:45:27 PM UTC-5, leslie...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, May 16, 2014 9:53:29 AM UTC-7, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Here is a line of descent from Malachi Browning down to Hannah Brown, herself the apparent great-grandmother of Hannibal Hamlin, 15th vice president of the U.S.
> > >
> > > http://fabpedigree.com/s061/f082182.htm
> > Notice, however, that in Banks' History of Martha's Vineyard,
> > regarding the wife of John Pease,
> > "there is a family tradition that her maiden name was Browning,
> > and presumably daughter of Malachi Browning of this town."
> >
> > http://books.google.com/books?id=7ZAlAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA102&dq=presumably+daughter+of+Malachi+Browning&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GelvVKuRIYKoNuS-gZgK&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=presumably%20daughter%20of%20Malachi%20Browning&f=false
> >
> > The account of the family of Malachi Browning in that same
> > publication makes no mention at all of the Pease family:
> >
> > http://books.google.com/books?id=7ZAlAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA48&dq=joseph+collier+1648+mary+browning&hl=en&sa=X&ei=JupvVMuvCMabgwS3tYIo&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=joseph%20collier%201648%20mary%20browning&f=false
> >
> > Leslie
> There is another connection from John Pease to Malachi Browning:
>
> A daughter of Malachi, Susannah, married William Vincent (or Vinson), and their granddaughter Abigail Vincent married Nathaniel Pease, grandson of John Pease and Lucy Weston, his other wife.
>
> So it is not a stretch to consider that Mary might have indeed been a daughter of Malachi- Edgartown was a very small place.
>
> Darrell E. Larocque

I note that there is a proposal to change the name of Lucy "Weston" to Lucy Unknown
as she was the daughter-in-law not daughter to Francis Weston.

In a court record dated 1635 Robert Anderson author of the Great Migration series amended to say "mother [in law] Mrs Weston"

'Banks called Lucy the daughter of Mrs. Weston. "It is therefore certain that our John Pease married Lucy, the daughter of Mrs. Margaret Weston, wife of Francis Weston." In a second passage, he clarifies the conclusion regarding her relationship to Weston saying, "In a few years, Weston himself became a desciple of Gorton, and his step-dughter, Lucy Pease, likewise ..." With this clarification, Banks never did attribute the surname Weston to Lucy. Nonetheless, Anderson's clarification still updates the record to show that Francis' wife was also not Lucy's mother. '

https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/94525/proposal-change-last-name-birth-lucy-first-immigrant-pease

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Subject: Re: Dorothy Vernon of Maldon, Essex
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 by: Darrell E. Larocque - Fri, 14 Jan 2022 00:28 UTC

On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 3:40:50 PM UTC-5, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 8:10:26 PM UTC-8, Darrell E. Larocque wrote:
> > On Friday, November 21, 2014 at 8:45:27 PM UTC-5, leslie...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, May 16, 2014 9:53:29 AM UTC-7, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Here is a line of descent from Malachi Browning down to Hannah Brown, herself the apparent great-grandmother of Hannibal Hamlin, 15th vice president of the U.S.
> > > >
> > > > http://fabpedigree.com/s061/f082182.htm
> > > Notice, however, that in Banks' History of Martha's Vineyard,
> > > regarding the wife of John Pease,
> > > "there is a family tradition that her maiden name was Browning,
> > > and presumably daughter of Malachi Browning of this town."
> > >
> > > http://books.google.com/books?id=7ZAlAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA102&dq=presumably+daughter+of+Malachi+Browning&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GelvVKuRIYKoNuS-gZgK&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=presumably%20daughter%20of%20Malachi%20Browning&f=false
> > >
> > > The account of the family of Malachi Browning in that same
> > > publication makes no mention at all of the Pease family:
> > >
> > > http://books.google.com/books?id=7ZAlAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA48&dq=joseph+collier+1648+mary+browning&hl=en&sa=X&ei=JupvVMuvCMabgwS3tYIo&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=joseph%20collier%201648%20mary%20browning&f=false
> > >
> > > Leslie
> > There is another connection from John Pease to Malachi Browning:
> >
> > A daughter of Malachi, Susannah, married William Vincent (or Vinson), and their granddaughter Abigail Vincent married Nathaniel Pease, grandson of John Pease and Lucy Weston, his other wife.
> >
> > So it is not a stretch to consider that Mary might have indeed been a daughter of Malachi- Edgartown was a very small place.
> >
> > Darrell E. Larocque
> I note that there is a proposal to change the name of Lucy "Weston" to Lucy Unknown
> as she was the daughter-in-law not daughter to Francis Weston.
>
> In a court record dated 1635 Robert Anderson author of the Great Migration series amended to say "mother [in law] Mrs Weston"
>
> 'Banks called Lucy the daughter of Mrs. Weston. "It is therefore certain that our John Pease married Lucy, the daughter of Mrs. Margaret Weston, wife of Francis Weston." In a second passage, he clarifies the conclusion regarding her relationship to Weston saying, "In a few years, Weston himself became a desciple of Gorton, and his step-dughter, Lucy Pease, likewise ..." With this clarification, Banks never did attribute the surname Weston to Lucy. Nonetheless, Anderson's clarification still updates the record to show that Francis' wife was also not Lucy's mother. '
>
>
> https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/94525/proposal-change-last-name-birth-lucy-first-immigrant-pease

Thank you for this! As I have found far too often, the countless sources over the course of the last 200 plus years regarding New England ancestry are just full of inaccuracies and have frustrated me countless times. This doesn't surprise me one bit, and the sheer work involved in correcting the seemingly never ending inaccuracies is daunting, and Banks is not the exception, not by a long shot.

My intention was to show that an association between the Pease and Browning families had existed through marriage, but I have nothing to offer beyond that.

Darrell

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