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Re: Sir Paunettus, kinsman to Edward the Black Prince: Clue to ancestry of Paonet de Ruet?

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Subject: Re: Sir Paunettus, kinsman to Edward the Black Prince: Clue to
ancestry of Paonet de Ruet?
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by: Judy Perry - Sat, 22 Jan 2022 00:02 UTC

On Wednesday, March 12, 2008 at 1:56:36 AM UTC-6, Peter Stewart wrote:
<snippety-snip>
> standard appointment to the prebend of the chapter of Sainte-Waudru at Mons,
> following the death of the previous incumbent Beatrix de Wallaincourt. This
> was not hereditary - after the death of Elizabeth de Ruet it went to Jeanne
> d'Ecaussines, as you found, <more snippity> The
> only genealogial point of note in the charter of Margaret for this
> discussion is
> > nobili adolescentule Elizabet dicte dou Ruet domini E[g]idii dicti
> > Paonet de Ruet filie
> "to the young noblewoman Elizabeth called du Ruet, daughter of Gilles called
> Paonet de Ruet".

Agreed. Not hereditary at all. Like beguinages that were springing up in the areas around there, the secular canonesses of St. Waudru tended to be from VERY prominent families, which Roeulx was any whereas any unrelated Roet was not.

> There is no definite significance to "dou" in this text - "du" = "de le" is
> French and does not exist in Latin; its use here was evidently an error,
> quite apart from the inconsistency with "de Ruet" used for her father, and
> perhaps these grammatically anomalous designations were not written by a
> French-speaking scribe.

Indeed. The absence of standardized spelling renders any such critical modern language textual analysis next to worthless, doesn't it?

> The other charter quoted, Albert of Bavaria's dated 24 July 1368, is only
> useful for showing when Elizabeth had recently died. There is nothing here
> to help establish whether her father Gilles was the same man as Katherine's
> father Paon, or to prove beyond question that either of them belonged to the
> family of Le Roeulx.

Except that the first charter duly noted Elizabeth as being the daughter of Giles _called_ Paon Roet or Rouelx.

Judy

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