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* corpus of spoken English --- the expression [tout court]henh...@gmail.com
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`* Re: corpus of spoken English --- the expression [tout court]Athel Cornish-Bowden
 `* Re: corpus of spoken English --- the expression [tout court]Steve Hayes
  `* Re: corpus of spoken English --- the expression [tout court]Athel Cornish-Bowden
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Subject: corpus of spoken English --- the expression [tout court]
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 by: henh...@gmail.com - Thu, 19 May 2022 15:56 UTC

1. a corpus of spoken English ---- which one do you recommend ?

2. i got [SBCorpus.zip] which is only 1.2 MB
------- how do i search thru this in Windows 10 PC ?

3. Has anyone actually heard anyone use the expression
[tout court] in English or French speech ?

(i recently noticed it in a movie)

HH

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From: bellemar...@gmail.com (CDB)
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Subject: Re: corpus of spoken English --- the expression [tout court]
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 by: CDB - Fri, 20 May 2022 15:06 UTC

On 5/19/2022 11:56 AM, henh...@gmail.com wrote:

> 1. a corpus of spoken English ---- which one do you recommend
> ?

> 2. i got [SBCorpus.zip] which is only 1.2 MB ------- how do i
> search thru this in Windows 10 PC ?

>
> 3. Has anyone actually heard anyone use the expression [tout
> court] in English or French speech ?

The expression is common enough in French.

https://www.wordreference.com/fren/tout%20court

> (i recently noticed it in a movie)

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 by: henh...@gmail.com - Fri, 20 May 2022 15:24 UTC

On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 8:06:23 AM UTC-7, CDB wrote:
> On 5/19/2022 11:56 AM, henh...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > 1. a corpus of spoken English ---- which one do you recommend
> > ?
>
> > 2. i got [SBCorpus.zip] which is only 1.2 MB ------- how do i
> > search thru this in Windows 10 PC ?
>
> >
> > 3. Has anyone actually heard anyone use the expression [tout
> > court] in English or French speech ?
> The expression is common enough in French.
>
>
> https://www.wordreference.com/fren/tout%20court

thanks!

> Range ta chambre, range tout court. -- Mais non, ne m'appelez pas Sophie Martin, mais Sophie tout court.

> Tidy your room; just tidy! -- No, don't call me Sophie Martin; just Sophie is fine.

> familier (simplement) ------------- So this page is saying that [tout court] means (simplement)

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From: acorn...@imm.cnrs.fr (Athel Cornish-Bowden)
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 by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Sun, 22 May 2022 19:03 UTC

On 2022-05-19 15:56:37 +0000, henh...@gmail.com said:

> 1. a corpus of spoken English ---- which one do you recommend ?
>
>
> 2. i got [SBCorpus.zip] which is only 1.2 MB
> ------- how do i search thru this in Windows 10 PC ?
>
>
> 3. Has anyone actually heard anyone use the expression
> [tout court] in English or French speech ?
>
> (i recently noticed it in a movie)
>
> HH

I already answered this last question at sci.lang. You showed no
response. Why should I waste more time on it?

Hen Hanna hasn't been around for a while (since about 2019, I would
guess), but the style hasn't changed: weird lack of capitalization,
bizarre use of square brackets, crazy formatting, refusal to write
words like "people" in full (not in this example), using the signature
HH despite being told many times that there was already an HH among the
regulars (with a changed, equally fake, name now, but still).

Nonetheless, one can forgive Hen Hanna a lot in view of this post:

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.usage.english/c/iY2UaT0sung

--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

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Subject: Re: corpus of spoken English --- the expression [tout court]
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 by: Steve Hayes - Wed, 25 May 2022 03:56 UTC

On Sun, 22 May 2022 21:03:24 +0200, Athel Cornish-Bowden
<acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:

>On 2022-05-19 15:56:37 +0000, henh...@gmail.com said:

>> 3. Has anyone actually heard anyone use the expression
>> [tout court] in English or French speech ?

>I already answered this last question at sci.lang. You showed no
>response. Why should I waste more time on it?

I don't subscribe to sci.lang, so I would be interested in your
response.

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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 by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Wed, 25 May 2022 07:16 UTC

On 2022-05-25 03:56:55 +0000, Steve Hayes said:

> On Sun, 22 May 2022 21:03:24 +0200, Athel Cornish-Bowden
> <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-05-19 15:56:37 +0000, henh...@gmail.com said:
>
>>> 3. Has anyone actually heard anyone use the expression
>>> [tout court] in English or French speech ?
>
>> I already answered this last question at sci.lang. You showed no
>> response. Why should I waste more time on it?
>
> I don't subscribe to sci.lang, so I would be interested in your
> response.

I said yes, it was a common evertday expression in French. The day of
the question, or the day after, I heard an interviewer on television
say it in her first one or two sentences.

--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

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 by: Steve Hayes - Sat, 28 May 2022 04:42 UTC

On Wed, 25 May 2022 09:16:01 +0200, Athel Cornish-Bowden
<acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:

>On 2022-05-25 03:56:55 +0000, Steve Hayes said:
>
>> On Sun, 22 May 2022 21:03:24 +0200, Athel Cornish-Bowden
>> <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-05-19 15:56:37 +0000, henh...@gmail.com said:
>>
>>>> 3. Has anyone actually heard anyone use the expression
>>>> [tout court] in English or French speech ?
>>
>>> I already answered this last question at sci.lang. You showed no
>>> response. Why should I waste more time on it?
>>
>> I don't subscribe to sci.lang, so I would be interested in your
>> response.
>
>I said yes, it was a common evertday expression in French. The day of
>the question, or the day after, I heard an interviewer on television
>say it in her first one or two sentences.

Thanks. I can't say I have heard it in speech, but I have seen it in
written English.

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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