Rocksolid Light

Welcome to novaBBS (click a section below)

mail  files  register  newsreader  groups  login

Message-ID:  

Don't you wish that all the people who sincerely want to help you could agree with each other?


interests / soc.genealogy.medieval / Why does John Darcy (d. 1347) have 3 sobriquets?

SubjectAuthor
* Why does John Darcy (d. 1347) have 3 sobriquets?donna.hart...@gmail.com
`- Re: Why does John Darcy (d. 1347) have 3 sobriquets?Peter Howarth

1
Why does John Darcy (d. 1347) have 3 sobriquets?

<e1b8835b-efb2-4ecf-a430-b5dc8e5b059fn@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/interests/article-flat.php?id=4103&group=soc.genealogy.medieval#4103

  copy link   Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:3ca:: with SMTP id k10mr727495qtx.557.1643943369814;
Thu, 03 Feb 2022 18:56:09 -0800 (PST)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:1aa7:: with SMTP id bl39mr543769qkb.216.1643943369618;
Thu, 03 Feb 2022 18:56:09 -0800 (PST)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 18:56:09 -0800 (PST)
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=47.42.84.118; posting-account=I78KHAoAAAAFDK1C_5bbeKKCxWNCeKoe
NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.42.84.118
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <e1b8835b-efb2-4ecf-a430-b5dc8e5b059fn@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Why does John Darcy (d. 1347) have 3 sobriquets?
From: donna.ha...@gmail.com (donna.hart...@gmail.com)
Injection-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2022 02:56:09 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lines: 35
 by: donna.hart...@gmail. - Fri, 4 Feb 2022 02:56 UTC

Complete Peerage Vol. IV, 1916, page 54 describes John Darcy as :
“John Darcy, styled le neveu and le cosyn and (long afterwards) le piere, of Knaith, Kexby and Upton co. Lincoln, s. and h. of Sir Roger Darcy of Oldcotes and Styrrup, Notts (who d. before 12 May 1284), by Isabel, da. of Sir William D’Aton, of West Ayton . . . .
(https://archive.org/details/completepeerageo04coka/page/54/mode/2up?view=theater).

Looking through documents, John Darcy is indeed called variously

“John Darcy “le neveu”, justiciar of Ireland”
Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward II: Vol 4, 1323 - 1327 found here:
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-close-rolls/edw2/vol4/pp444-450 and
Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward II: Vol 5, 1324 – 1327 found here: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/series/calendar-of-patent-rolls-edward-ii/vol5/pp295-347

“John Darcy “le cosyn”, justiciar of Ireland”
Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III: Vol 1, 1327 – 1330 found here: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-close-rolls/edw3/vol1/pp519-522
Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, Vol 5, 1340 – 1343, found here: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/series/calendar-of-patent-rolls-edward-iii/vol5/pp497-537

“John Darcy “le piere”, then judiciary there [Ireland]”
Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III: Vol 7, 1343 – 1346 found here: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-close-rolls/edw3/vol7/pp298-311

Why would anyone have 3 sobriquets? Are there other examples of someone with multiple sobriquets?

Donna Hartley

Re: Why does John Darcy (d. 1347) have 3 sobriquets?

<e87c5ef8-3804-45ca-93b8-7daf35c4bd44n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/interests/article-flat.php?id=4105&group=soc.genealogy.medieval#4105

  copy link   Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:4111:: with SMTP id kc17mr806321qvb.61.1643953901699;
Thu, 03 Feb 2022 21:51:41 -0800 (PST)
X-Received: by 2002:ae9:f306:: with SMTP id p6mr712244qkg.709.1643953901427;
Thu, 03 Feb 2022 21:51:41 -0800 (PST)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 21:51:41 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <e1b8835b-efb2-4ecf-a430-b5dc8e5b059fn@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=31.125.100.194; posting-account=AZKVVAoAAABT_qEOJTxflPl7hF1u-H7O
NNTP-Posting-Host: 31.125.100.194
References: <e1b8835b-efb2-4ecf-a430-b5dc8e5b059fn@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <e87c5ef8-3804-45ca-93b8-7daf35c4bd44n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Why does John Darcy (d. 1347) have 3 sobriquets?
From: pgrhowa...@gmail.com (Peter Howarth)
Injection-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2022 05:51:41 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lines: 44
 by: Peter Howarth - Fri, 4 Feb 2022 05:51 UTC

On Friday, 4 February 2022 at 02:56:10 UTC, donna.hart...@gmail.com wrote:
> Complete Peerage Vol. IV, 1916, page 54 describes John Darcy as :
> “John Darcy, styled le neveu and le cosyn and (long afterwards) le piere, of Knaith, Kexby and Upton co. Lincoln, s. and h. of Sir Roger Darcy of Oldcotes and Styrrup, Notts (who d. before 12 May 1284), by Isabel, da. of Sir William D’Aton, of West Ayton . . . .
> (https://archive.org/details/completepeerageo04coka/page/54/mode/2up?view=theater).
>
> Looking through documents, John Darcy is indeed called variously
>
> “John Darcy “le neveu”, justiciar of Ireland”
> Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward II: Vol 4, 1323 - 1327 found here:
> https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-close-rolls/edw2/vol4/pp444-450 and
> Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward II: Vol 5, 1324 – 1327 found here: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/series/calendar-of-patent-rolls-edward-ii/vol5/pp295-347
>
> “John Darcy “le cosyn”, justiciar of Ireland”
> Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III: Vol 1, 1327 – 1330 found here: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-close-rolls/edw3/vol1/pp519-522
> Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, Vol 5, 1340 – 1343, found here: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/series/calendar-of-patent-rolls-edward-iii/vol5/pp497-537
>
> “John Darcy “le piere”, then judiciary there [Ireland]”
> Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III: Vol 7, 1343 – 1346 found here: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-close-rolls/edw3/vol7/pp298-311
>
> Why would anyone have 3 sobriquets? Are there other examples of someone with multiple sobriquets?
>
> Donna Hartley
These were not really sobriquets. They were just descriptions of his relationship to various other members of the Darcy family. He was the nephew ('neveu') of Norman III Darcy (d.1296) of Nocton, the senior line of Darcy, and therefore cousin ('cosyn') to Norman's son, Philip II, 1st Lord Darcy of Nocton (d.1333). Later on, he was seen as father ('piere') of John II, 2nd Lord Darcy of Knaith (d.1356).

Peter Howarth

1
server_pubkey.txt

rocksolid light 0.9.8
clearnet tor