On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 4:58:23 PM UTC-7, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, June 27, 2019 at 4:43:51 AM UTC-4, lma...@att.net wrote:
> > On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 9:33:33 PM UTC-7, lma...@att.net wrote:
> > > On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 2:39:08 PM UTC-8, leslie...@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > There might be more royal descents for the Brooksbanks family,
> > > > > through the Tracy family of Toddington, Gloucestershire.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > First there is a Bray family pedigree, from Miscellanea Genealogica
> > > > > et Heraldica, vol. 1:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://books.google.com/books?id=XCQFAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA62&dq=giles+bray+anne+chetwode&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiWnteoxvveAhUSKK0KHShxBJIQ6AEITjAG#v=onepage&q=giles%20bray%20anne%20chetwode&f=false
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 1 Edmund Bray = Dorothy Tracy
> > > > > |
> > > > > 2 Giles Bray = Anne Chetwode
> > > > > |
> > > > >
> > > > > The following generations are in the Genealogics database,
> > > > > without source citations:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00701910&tree=LEO)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Part of the line of descent is mentioned in The Parliamentary History of
> > > > > the Principality of Wales...:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://books.google.com/books?id=rbYlAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA137&dq=reginald+kemeys+ann+proby&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjp3eu3x_veAhVQS6wKHYxdBXkQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q=reginald%20kemeys%20ann%20proby&f=false
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The connection with the Kemeys family is also mentioned in
> > > > > the Clitherow Family papers:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/b292a2ca-9c28-4b37-8265-cf3875816561
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 3 Edmund Bray = Frances Ashcombe
> > > > > |
> > > > > 4 Reginald Bray = Jane Rainton
> > > > > |
> > > > > 5 Ann Bray = Edward Kemeys
> > > > > |
> > > > > 6 Reginald Kemeys = Anne Proby
> > > > > |
> > > > > 7 Anne Kemeys = James Clitherow
> > > > > |
> > > > > 8 Philippa Clitherow = Benjamin Brooksbank
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Leslie
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Here are a few more descents from Edward I for Mr. Brooksbank.
> > > >
> > > > George Villiers, 4th Viscount Grandison & his wife Mary Leigh
> > > > had a daughter Audrey, married to Richard Harrison of Balls, Hertfordshire:
> > > >
> > > > Source,
> > > > The Peerage of England, Scotland, and Ireland: The peerage of Ireland:
> > > >
> > > > https://books.google.com/books?id=zjAwAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA125&dq=audrey+villiers+richard+harrison&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi0jtuR6vXfAhUPCTQIHX7lC40Q6AEISTAG#v=onepage&q=audrey%20villiers%20richard%20harrison&f=false
> > > >
> > > > Details of Richard & Audrey's children are recorded in Robert Clutterbuck, The History and Antiquities of the County of Hertford...,
> > > > vol. 2, p. 186:
> > > >
> > > > https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE920278
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Richard Harrison's PCC will, proved 3 Feb. 1733
> > > > (43 Price, not available on Ancestry.com)
> > > > does not mention his married daughters.
> > > >
> > > > Richard's daughter Mary was married in Feb. 1703/ 4 to Charles Proby, Rector of Tewin, Hertfordshire.
> > > >
> > > > The PCC will of Charles Proby was proved 1 Feb. 1728, mentions daughter Jane, wife of Captain Reginald Kemeys, and others
> > > > (no wife is named in the will).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The wills of Reginald & Jane Kemeys were both proved on 21 Jan. 1741:
> > > >
> > > > http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D513014
> > > > http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D513013
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > One of the executors of Jane's will was George Harrison of Balls Park, esquire.
> > > >
> > > > George's will, proved 13 Dec. 1759, mentions many nephews & nieces, including Ann Kemeys, daughter of deceased niece Jane Kemeys.
> > > >
> > > > http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D547557
> > > >
> > > > In a codicil, niece Anne,
> > > > wife of James Clitherow of Boston House, esquire, is named.
> > > > They are already documented as ancestors of the Brooksbank family:
> > > >
> > > > https://genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00701928&tree=LEO
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Leslie
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Here is another descent from Edward I:
> > >
> > > The line goes through John Boteler of Watton Woodhall, Hertfordshire,
> > > 1516-1572, through the families of Drury, Calthorpe, Stapleton,
> > > Bardolf, Damorie and De Clare:
> > >
> > > http://genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00241077&tree=LEO&parentset=0&display=standard&generations=5
> > >
> > >
> > > 1. John Boteler & his wife Grizel Roche had a daughter Mary,
> > > wife of Thomas Shotbolt.
> > >
> > > An inscription survives for Thomas Shotbolt, died 1599, and his wife Mary,
> > > daughter of John Boteler, knight:
> > >
> > > https://books.google.com/books?id=cMgOAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA28&dq=thomas+shotbolt+mary+boteler&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwirq_3Il6TiAhXT5J8KHayoDpAQ6AEIQTAE#v=onepage&q=thomas%20shotbolt%20mary%20boteler&f=false
> > >
> > > The 1608 will of John & Grizel's son Henry Butler, mentions his 'cousins'
> > > John and Thomas Shotbolt.
> > >
> > > https://books.google.com/books?id=OaxCAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA143&dq=boteler+thomas+shotbolt&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjR8PGcmaTiAhViyFQKHbLOBbcQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q=boteler%20thomas%20shotbolt&f=false
> > >
> > >
> > > 2 John Shotbolt & Mary Boteler, detailed above.
> > >
> > >
> > > 3. John Shotbolt married to Jane Tony,
> > > recorded in the 1634 Visitation of Hertfordshire:
> > >
> > > https://books.google.com/books?id=gqwKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA163&dq=john+shotbolt+jane+tony&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwia_IT1mqTiAhUrxFQKHaIZBFQQ6AEINjAC#v=onepage&q=john%20shotbolt%20jane%20tony&f=false
> > >
> > > also a pedigree in Sir Henry Chauncy, The Historical Antiquities of Hertfordshire:
> > >
> > > https://books.google.com/books?id=WNMqAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA123&dq=philip+shotbolt+elizabeth+marsh&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjnofKmmqTiAhUml1QKHdLDCRAQ6AEIOzAD#v=onepage&q=philip%20shotbolt%20elizabeth%20marsh&f=false
> > >
> > >
> > > 4. Philip Shotbolt, baptized 16 May 1585 at Ardeley, Hertfordshire,
> > > married to Elizabeth Marsh
> > >
> > > https://books.google.com/books?id=0omY2KpMfKIC&pg=PA275&dq=phillip+shotbolte&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiPtfaQnqTiAhVrslQKHZotDGkQ6AEILDAA#v=onepage&q=phillip%20shotbolte&f=false
> > >
> > >
> > > 5. Mary Shotbolt, baptized at Ardeley, 18 April 1613,
> > >
> > > https://books.google.com/books?id=_P1v1mqnsOYC&pg=PA276&dq=maria+shotbolt+filia&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi9ssvVnqTiAhUqiVQKHQ-OAj0Q6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q=maria%20shotbolt%20filia&f=false
> > >
> > > She was the wife of Sir John Harrison, previously mentioned:
> > >
> > > http://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00639568&tree=LEO
> > >
> > >
> > > The parents of Mary Shotbolt, wife of John Harrison, are mentioned in
> > > The Memoirs of Ann, Lady Fanshawe...:
> > >
> > > https://books.google.com/books?id=haYLAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA327&dq=maria+shotbolt+john+harrison&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjH2r2Nn6TiAhWJDHwKHf_kBl4Q6AEILzAB#v=onepage&q=maria%20shotbolt%20john%20harrison&f=false
> > >
> > >
> > > Leslie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Here are more alleged royal descents for Mr. Brooksbank.
> >
> >
> > 1. Sir Edward Gorges, of Langford, 1st Baron Gorges of Dundalk,
> > Baronet, born about 1582, was a descendant of Edward I of England,
> > as well as a descendant of medieval Kings of Norway:
> >
> > https://genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00514825&tree=LEO
> >
> > Edward and his wife Katherine Osborne had a daughter:
> >
> >
> > 2. Margaret Gorges, wife of Thomas Fleming of Stoneham, Hampshire, esq.
> >
> > http://www.northstoneham.org.uk/church/monuments/thomasfleming_1638.html
> >
> > Thomas and Margaret were supposedly the parents of
> >
> >
> > 3. Katherine Fleming, wife of Daniel Eliott, 1646-1702.
> >
> > They were married in 1685, when Katherine was age 25
> >
> > http://www.eliotsofporteliot.com/individuals/fleming-katherine.html
> >
> >
> > A birth year of 1660 for Katherine does not allow her to be a daughter
> > of Thomas Fleming who died in 1638.
> >
> > The Eliots are also recorded in the Heralds Visitation for Cornwall, page 148:
> >
> > https://ukga.org/england/Cornwall/visitations/
> >
> > and here:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Eliot
> >
> >
> > 4. Katherine Eliot, married in 1707 to Browne Willis, of Whaddon Hall,
> > Buckinghamshire, 1682-1760:
> >
> > https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Willis,_Browne_(DNB00)
> >
> >
> > 5. Henry Willis, married to Katherine Gregory.
> >
> > This and following generations are recorded in
> > Burke,
> > A genealogical and heraldic history of the landed gentry of Great Britain & Ireland:
> >
> > https://archive.org/details/genealogicalhera01byuburk/page/570
> >
> > Also,
> > Reports of Cases Argued and Determined in the Courts of Exchequer and Exchequer Chamber,
> > which takes the lineage down to the Meyrick & Charlton families:
> >
> >
> > https://archive.org/details/reportscasesarg02tyrwgoog/page/n1015
> >
> >
> > 6. Thomas Willis, born 1757, married to Katherine Hyde,
> > a previously mentioned couple.
> >
> >
> > Leslie
> The Fleming family of North Stoneham seems to be quite a mess.
>
> The only real clue I find is that the 1693 will of Lady Catherine Wyndham, widow of Sir Hugh Wyndham of the Common Pleas, mentions her nephew, Henry Fleming, executor, her "niece Catherine Elliott, under age," nephew Edward Fleming of North Stoneham. A Gorges was among the witnesses.
>
> https://books.google.com/books?id=RktFAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA106&dq=%22my+plate+at+boveridge%22+hooper+fleming&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiXl57wwabjAhWBWc0KHVt5DLcQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=%22my%20plate%20at%20boveridge%22%20hooper%20fleming&f=false
>
> Presumably, Catherine Elliott, under age, was a daughter of Daniel Elliot and the deceased "Catherine Fleming," whoever she was.
>
> Sir Hugh Wyndham died 1684. His third wife is identified as Catherine, widow of Sir Edward Hooper, and daughter of Thomas Fleming of Stoneham.
>
> https://books.google.com/books?id=2Gc5AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA420&dq=%22hugh+windham%22+fleming&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwid0vzWwqbjAhXYQc0KHfkZB0oQ6AEIOzAD#v=onepage&q=%22hugh%20windham%22%20fleming&f=false