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Subject: Gilbert de Glanville, 3rd Earl of Suffolk?
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 by: fosgate3 - Fri, 4 Feb 2022 17:16 UTC

Good day. Does anyone have any evidence of there once being an Earl of Suffolk named Gilbert de Glanville? I find his name in a lot of family trees but the only thing I can find to indicate he was ever an Earl of Suffolk is in Records of the Anglo-Norman House of Glanville by William Urmston Searle Glanville-Richards, where he is identified as the "3rd Earl of Suffolk" on page 46. He supposedly lost all his lands and titles after siding with Simon de Montfort against Henry III.

I was told by one researcher that the Glanville-Richards work is unsubstantiated and false. Initially, I did not know how to take that but after finding that I cannot discover a source anywhere else that indicates Gilbert de Glanville, or any other Glanville for that matter, was ever an Earl of Suffolk.

Does anyone know of anything more? Thanks in advance for reading.

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 by: Will Johnson - Fri, 4 Feb 2022 18:11 UTC

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 9:16:45 AM UTC-8, fosgate3 wrote:
> Good day. Does anyone have any evidence of there once being an Earl of Suffolk named Gilbert de Glanville? I find his name in a lot of family trees but the only thing I can find to indicate he was ever an Earl of Suffolk is in Records of the Anglo-Norman House of Glanville by William Urmston Searle Glanville-Richards, where he is identified as the "3rd Earl of Suffolk" on page 46. He supposedly lost all his lands and titles after siding with Simon de Montfort against Henry III.
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> I was told by one researcher that the Glanville-Richards work is unsubstantiated and false. Initially, I did not know how to take that but after finding that I cannot discover a source anywhere else that indicates Gilbert de Glanville, or any other Glanville for that matter, was ever an Earl of Suffolk.
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> Does anyone know of anything more? Thanks in advance for reading.

Apparently a figure made entirely out of whole cloth

https://books.google.com/books?id=hLfQAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA500&dq=ranulf+glanville+biography&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjZofGG0ub1AhXrIEQIHe5qAW4Q6AF6BAhSEAI#v=onepage&q=ranulf%20glanville%20biography&f=false

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/enguntdk.htm#_Toc36368854
https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00447152&tree=LEO
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranulf_de_Glanvill

http://books.google.com/books?id=27EKAAAAYAAJ&as_brr=1&pg=PA192#v=onepage&q=&f=false

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 by: Will Johnson - Fri, 4 Feb 2022 18:17 UTC

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 10:11:25 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 9:16:45 AM UTC-8, fosgate3 wrote:
> > Good day. Does anyone have any evidence of there once being an Earl of Suffolk named Gilbert de Glanville? I find his name in a lot of family trees but the only thing I can find to indicate he was ever an Earl of Suffolk is in Records of the Anglo-Norman House of Glanville by William Urmston Searle Glanville-Richards, where he is identified as the "3rd Earl of Suffolk" on page 46. He supposedly lost all his lands and titles after siding with Simon de Montfort against Henry III.
> >
> > I was told by one researcher that the Glanville-Richards work is unsubstantiated and false. Initially, I did not know how to take that but after finding that I cannot discover a source anywhere else that indicates Gilbert de Glanville, or any other Glanville for that matter, was ever an Earl of Suffolk.
> >
> > Does anyone know of anything more? Thanks in advance for reading.
> Apparently a figure made entirely out of whole cloth
>
> https://books.google.com/books?id=hLfQAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA500&dq=ranulf+glanville+biography&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjZofGG0ub1AhXrIEQIHe5qAW4Q6AF6BAhSEAI#v=onepage&q=ranulf%20glanville%20biography&f=false
>
> http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/enguntdk.htm#_Toc36368854
> https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00447152&tree=LEO
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranulf_de_Glanvill
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=27EKAAAAYAAJ&as_brr=1&pg=PA192#v=onepage&q=&f=false

After the famous, partly fictional book by Glanville-Richards, we have the following article which is much more skeptical

https://books.google.com/books?id=dzQGAAAAQAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&dq=william%20de%20vesey%20maud%20de%20glanville&pg=PA323#v=onepage&q=william%20de%20vesey%20maud%20de%20glanville&f=false

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