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It would be a great thing for him to lose.

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 by: henh...@gmail.com - Sat, 11 Jun 2022 02:27 UTC

On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 5:05:16 PM UTC-7, arthurvv vart wrote:
> 1) For him to lose would be a great thing.
> 2) It would be a great thing for him to lose.
>
> 3) For him, to lose would be a great thing.
>
> I think '3' is unambiguous and means:
> a) He will benefit greatly from losing.
>
> How about '1' and '2'?
>
> I think they are ambiguous. They might mean the same thing as '3' (by far the likelier meaning) or they might mean
>
> b) It would be great if he loses. (maybe not for him, but for me, for us. for the world at large...)
>
> Do you find '1' and '2' ambiguous?
> What is your take on this?
>
> Gratefully, Navi

i think ... the usual colloquial ways of saying that sentiment are...

------- Losing would be the best thing that happened to him.

there's a line like this in the movie [A history of Violence]

or maybe [........ he'd get what's coming to him]

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this interests me partly because the [for him] part reminds me of the [avec] in the Proverbalization paper.

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 by: henh...@gmail.com - Sat, 11 Jun 2022 05:06 UTC

On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 7:27:35 PM UTC-7, henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 5:05:16 PM UTC-7, arthurvv vart wrote:
> > 1) For him to lose would be a great thing.
> > 2) It would be a great thing for him to lose.
> >
> > 3) For him, to lose would be a great thing.
> >
> > I think '3' is unambiguous and means:
> > a) He will benefit greatly from losing.
> >
> > How about '1' and '2'?
> >
> > I think they are ambiguous. They might mean the same thing as '3' (by far the likelier meaning) or they might mean
> >
> > b) It would be great if he loses. (maybe not for him, but for me, for us. for the world at large...)
> >
> > Do you find '1' and '2' ambiguous?
> > What is your take on this?
> >
> > Gratefully, Navi
>
>
> i think ... the usual colloquial ways of saying that sentiment is...
>
> ------- Losing would be the best thing that happened to him.
>
> there's a line like this in the movie [A history of Violence]

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