On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
<bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:

>AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>-- https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/

Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?

I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.

John H wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
> <bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>> -- https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>
> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
> loans.

That's the problem with these bizarre statements.  Imagine how much it
would cost to reimburse tuition money to every living person in the US. 
There isn't enough paper to print that kind of money!

The simple truth is that it's a ploy to get more votes ahead of the
midterms.

On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 19:35:05 -0500, Alex <Xela777@gmail.com> wrote:

>John H wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>> <bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>> -- https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>
>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>> loans.
>
>That's the problem with these bizarre statements.  Imagine how much it
>would cost to reimburse tuition money to every living person in the US. 
>There isn't enough paper to print that kind of money!
>
>The simple truth is that it's a ploy to get more votes ahead of the
>midterms.

Amen. By the way, I went shooting at the range the other day for the
first time since Covid.

I need more practise!

On Monday, 21 February 2022 at 18:47:25 UTC-4, John H wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
> >Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
> >-- https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>
> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
> loans.

You paid?
I'd bet Uncle Sam picked up the bill for your school'in.

True North <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, 21 February 2022 at 18:47:25 UTC-4, John H wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>> --
>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>
>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>> loans.
>
>
> You paid?
> I'd bet Uncle Sam picked up the bill for your school'in.
>

Uncle Trudeau would not pick up yours? That why you stayed a janitor?

On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 19:35:43 -0800 (PST), True North
<princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, 21 February 2022 at 18:47:25 UTC-4, John H wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>> >Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>> >-- https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>
>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>> loans.
>
>
>You paid?
>I'd bet Uncle Sam picked up the bill for your school'in.

The tax payer would still have to pay the lender. This is a government
guaranteed loan.
As for what the government paid for a military education, the
"student" paid them back with years of service at far less than
minimum wage and a not insignificant chance of dying for their
country.
As for the kids today;
These kids can get their student debt discharged by taking a job for
10 years in some kind of public service. My SIL is doing that.

On Tuesday, 22 February 2022 at 00:09:54 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, 21 February 2022 at 18:47:25 UTC-4, John H wrote:
> >> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
> >> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
> >>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
> >>> --
> >>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
> >> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
> >> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
> >>
> >> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
> >> loans.
> >
> >
> > You paid?
> > I'd bet Uncle Sam picked up the bill for your school'in.
> >
> Uncle Trudeau would not pick up yours? That why you stayed a janitor?

You drinking again, Swill?
Our current Trudeau was nowhere to be found when I was in school.
The Crown Corp where I worked paid for the university courses I took to earn advancement.
By the way, do you have a chapter of AA in your area. I bet they'd be glad to see you if you could abstain.

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
> >Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
> >-- https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>
> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
> loans.
==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good investment for them.. They've repaid all of their grad school loans with no help from me.

In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.

True North <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, 22 February 2022 at 00:09:54 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday, 21 February 2022 at 18:47:25 UTC-4, John H wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>>> --
>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>>>>
>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>>>
>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>>> loans.
>>>
>>>
>>> You paid?
>>> I'd bet Uncle Sam picked up the bill for your school'in.
>>>
>> Uncle Trudeau would not pick up yours? That why you stayed a janitor?
>
>
> You drinking again, Swill?
> Our current Trudeau was nowhere to be found when I was in school.
> The Crown Corp where I worked paid for the university courses I took to earn advancement.
> By the way, do you have a chapter of AA in your area. I bet they'd be
> glad to see you if you could abstain.
>

There was a Trudeau when you worked. As to AA, you better look locally as
you seem to be very concerned about your alcoholism.

waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>> --
>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>
>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>> loans.
> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans with no help from me.
>
> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
>

Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
money to tour Europe to
“ broaden her education “. And we let them do this, we are enablers.

On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 11:47:19 AM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
> >> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
> >> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
> >>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
> >>> --
> >>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
> >> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
> >> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
> >>
> >> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
> >> loans.
> > ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
> > paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
> > definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
> > graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
> > investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans with no help from me.
> >
> > In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
> > students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
> >
> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
> money to tour Europe to
> “ broaden her education “. And we let them do this, we are enablers.

I think another large contributor is the "you MUST go to college" mantra. If you
have the smarts and a specific plan for how you will use a degree, it's fine. But college
isn't for everyone, and is not necessary to make a very comfortable living.

It's a part of the snowflake problem today. They think that since they went to college and
got a degree, they should immediately have that nice house, big screen, and Benz in the driveway.
Now they want a free education as well? The real world needs to slap them in the face. Hard.

On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 19:35:43 -0800 (PST), True North
<princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, 21 February 2022 at 18:47:25 UTC-4, John H wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>> >Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>> >-- https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>
>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>> loans.
>
>
>You paid?
>I'd bet Uncle Sam picked up the bill for your school'in.

I'm talking about my kids and grandkids. Of course, you probably
didn't worry about that.

John H <jherring@cox.net> Wrote in message:r
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 19:35:43 -0800 (PST), True North<princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:>On Monday, 21 February 2022 at 18:47:25 UTC-4, John H wrote:>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser >> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled >> >Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022 >> >-- https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the >> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne? >> >> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student >> loans.>>>You paid?>I'd bet Uncle Sam picked up the bill for your school'in.I'm talking about my kids and grandkids. Of course, you probablydidn't worry about that.

I wonder what kind of college subjects he had to take to maintain
his status as toilet bowl technician?
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> On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 11:47:19 AM UTC-5, Bill wrote:> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: > >> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled > >>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022 > >>> -- > >>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/ > >> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the > >> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne? > >> > >> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student > >> loans.> > ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We> > paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we > > definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through > > graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good > > investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans with no help from me. > > > > In my opinion the big problem wi
th student loan debt stems from too many > > students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education. > >> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last > year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and > masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover > money to tour Europe to > ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.I think another large contributor is the "you MUST go to college" mantra. If youhave the smarts and a specific plan for how you will use a degree, it's fine. But collegeisn't for everyone, and is not necessary to make a very comfortable living.It's a part of the snowflake problem today. They think that since they went to college and got a degree, they should immediately have that nice house, big screen, and Benz in the driveway. Now they want a free education as well? The real world needs to slap them in the face. Hard.
For many, college is a vehicle for postponing entry into the real
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justan <me@here.com> wrote:
> "345...@gmail.com" <3452471@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
>> On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 11:47:19 AM UTC-5, Bill wrote:>
>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Monday,
>> February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: > >> On Mon, 21 Feb
>> 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >> <bruce2...@gmail.com>
>> wrote: > >> > >>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>> > >>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022 > >>> -- > >>>
>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>>>>> > >> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed
>>>>>>>>> the > >> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loans.> > ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each. We> > paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was never an issue but we > > definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves through > > graduate school on student loans but that has turned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out to be a good > > investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school loans with no help from me. > > > > In my opinion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many > > students
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education. >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to > ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this, we are enablers.I think another large contributor is the "you MUST
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go to college" mantra. If youhave the smarts and a specific plan for how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you will use a degree, it's fine. But collegeisn't for everyone, and is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not necessary to make a very comfortable living.It's a part of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snowflake problem today. They think that since they went to college and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got a degree, they should immediately have that nice house, big screen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Benz in the driveway. Now they want a free education as well? The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real world needs to slap them in the face. Hard.
> For many, college is a vehicle for postponing entry into the real
> world.

Giant problem is “The Educators”!!! Some years ago, at least in California
the education establishment decreed that all should go college prep track
in high school and if they want training as a welder or auto mechanic or
any trade, they should go to state university or community college.
Dropped shop classes in high school. 20% maybe should go to college.
40% have the smarts, maybe half have the drive. Let’s use Harry as an
example. Brags about his education, masters, etc. how much money did
that cost his family and society to get that education which resulted in a
couple of bankruptcy filings, and sued by payday lenders? True North said
his employer, in actuality, the Canadian government, paid for some college.
Did that college actually have a return on investment? Also, every time
the government raised student loan amounts the colleges raised costs a
little more. College costs rose at about 4x inflation for years. Don’t
know about the last few years.

John H wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 19:35:05 -0500, Alex <Xela777@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> John H wrote:
>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>> <bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>> -- https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>>
>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>> loans.
>> That's the problem with these bizarre statements.  Imagine how much it
>> would cost to reimburse tuition money to every living person in the US.
>> There isn't enough paper to print that kind of money!
>>
>> The simple truth is that it's a ploy to get more votes ahead of the
>> midterms.
> Amen. By the way, I went shooting at the range the other day for the
> first time since Covid.
>
> I need more practise!

It's been too long for me but I will be up at our range next week.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 07:58:07 -0800 (PST),
"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>> >Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>> >-- https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>
>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>> loans.
>===
>Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans with no help from me.
>
>In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.

The problem with my SIL is he racked up a big bill learning all about
environmental sciences (BS/MS) and then went to law school (passed
bar). With his resume he could be making a quarter mill working for
developers but he wants to do good, not well. He has a job that
doesn't pay well but is supposed to wipe out his debt so we will see.
He still has to pay for 10 years tho. I think he is only covering the
interest on his debt.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 16:47:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:

>waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>> --
>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>>
>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>> loans.
>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans with no help from me.
>>
>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
>>
>
>Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
>masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
>money to tour Europe to
>“ broaden her education “. And we let them do this, we are enablers.

The system itself encourages people to rack up more debt. As long as
you are still in school, your payments are deferred but the interest
keeps racking up. You get a degree, figure out the job that comes with
that degree won't pay the bill so you go back to school. rinse repeat
kicking the can down the road and hoping some miracle will happen like
AOC.
Pretty soon you have a masters or in the case of a girl we know a PHD
and you are still working for chump change. That girl did get a little
break by working for the college where she got the PHD so it was a
whole lot cheaper but far from free. When I asked her how much it was
she just said "A mortgage".

On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>> --
>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>>
>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>> loans.
>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans with no help from me.
>>
>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
>>
>
> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
> money to tour Europe to
> “ broaden her education “. And we let them do this, we are enablers.

I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.

Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.

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On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 06:27:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
wrote:

>On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>>> --
>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>>>
>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>>> loans.
>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans with no help from me.
>>>
>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
>>>
>>
>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
>> money to tour Europe to
>> “ broaden her education “. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
>
>I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
>I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
>via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
>school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
>
>Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.

College was cheaper.
The effect of the student loan program was skyrocketing college cost.

Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:
> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>>> --
>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>>>
>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>>> loans.
>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans with no help from me.
>>>
>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
>>>
>>
>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
>> money to tour Europe to
>> “ broaden her education “. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
>
> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
>
> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
>
>
>

NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.

On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:

>Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:
>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>>>>
>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>>>> loans.
>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans with no help from me.
>>>>
>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
>>> money to tour Europe to
>>> “ broaden her education “. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
>>
>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
>>
>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
>>
>>
>>
>
>NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
>near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.

Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
and most of another for me.

On 2/23/2022 11:44 AM, Bill wrote:
> Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:
>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>>>>
>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>>>> loans.
>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans with no help from me.
>>>>
>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
>>> money to tour Europe to
>>> “ broaden her education “. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
>>
>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
>>
>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
>>
>>
>>
>
> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
>

There are many ways to further your education if you want to without
assuming a lifelong debt. Also, I think too many people over-value
what school they want to attend. In the end, it's the degree that's
most important, not the alma mater. Unless you seriously believe
you are going to be a ultra prominent attorney or a politician, the
particular school you attend is not really important.

As an employer, I'd much rather hire someone who graduated from a
small school who worked their way towards getting a degree than
someone who attended an Ivy league university paid for with student
loans or by mommy and daddy.

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John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:
>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>>>>> loans.
>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
>>>>> with no help from me.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
>>>> money to tour Europe to
>>>> “ broaden her education “. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
>>>
>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
>>>
>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
>
> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
> and most of another for me.
>

Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.

On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:

>John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>>>>>> loans.
>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
>>>>>> with no help from me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
>>>>> money to tour Europe to
>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
>>>>
>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
>>>>
>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
>>
>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
>> and most of another for me.
>>
>
>Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
>most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.

Ah so.