I'll stress heavily that I think this probably does not actually connect to the Mayhews of Martha's Vineyard.

Banks's _History of Martha's Vineyard_ mentions in passing that there was a "Thomas Mayhowe" baptized August 1617 at St. Martin's in the Fields, London, and that "[t]he will of Mildred Reade of Linkenhurst, Co. Hants, widow, dated Aug. 15, 1630, mentions her nephew "Thomas Mayhew the younger."

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002001112078&view=1up&seq=127&skin=2021&q1=mildred

The place name is given wrongly; Linkenhurst should be "Linkenholt" ... this is actually Mildred (Windebank) Reade, an ancestor of President George Washington.

The will of Mildred is on the web and states: "I bequeath to my nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger, one cow and six ewes." Also ... "In witness whereof I have to these present set my hand and seale this 15 August in the sixth year of the reign of Our Sovereign Lord Charles etc A.D. 1630 in the presence of Henry Reade and Thomas Mayhew."

This could be taken to possibly indicate an underage nephew "Mayhew the younger," with his father, also named Thomas Mayhew, as a witness.

http://www.thehennesseefamily.com/getperson.php?personID=I35805&tree=hennessee

Or, I suppose, "nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger" could also be the same witness.

A very long account of the Reade family of Faccombe, Hampshire, is given here:

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/VapOAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22andrew+hanwell%22&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover

Notice particularly the one paragraph which reads:

"Robert Read, the second son, is mentioned in the will of his grandfather. There are also mentioned Margaret, Mildred (who married Thomas Mahew, of county Suffolk), and Anne, named after her grandmother, who married John Helyar, of Hasborne."

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/vYE3AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22godson+andrew+hanwell%22+mildred+mahew&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover

The rambling narratives makes it a little hard to place Mildred (? Reade) Mahew "of Suffolk," but at least seems to indicate she was a Reade, not a Windebank.

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:23:25 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> I'll stress heavily that I think this probably does not actually connect to the Mayhews of Martha's Vineyard.
>
> Banks's _History of Martha's Vineyard_ mentions in passing that there was a "Thomas Mayhowe" baptized August 1617 at St. Martin's in the Fields, London, and that "[t]he will of Mildred Reade of Linkenhurst, Co. Hants, widow, dated Aug. 15, 1630, mentions her nephew "Thomas Mayhew the younger."
>
> https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002001112078&view=1up&seq=127&skin=2021&q1=mildred
>
> The place name is given wrongly; Linkenhurst should be "Linkenholt" ... this is actually Mildred (Windebank) Reade, an ancestor of President George Washington.
>
> The will of Mildred is on the web and states: "I bequeath to my nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger, one cow and six ewes." Also ... "In witness whereof I have to these present set my hand and seale this 15 August in the sixth year of the reign of Our Sovereign Lord Charles etc A.D. 1630 in the presence of Henry Reade and Thomas Mayhew."
>
> This could be taken to possibly indicate an underage nephew "Mayhew the younger," with his father, also named Thomas Mayhew, as a witness.
>
> http://www.thehennesseefamily.com/getperson.php?personID=I35805&tree=hennessee
>
> Or, I suppose, "nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger" could also be the same witness.
>
> A very long account of the Reade family of Faccombe, Hampshire, is given here:
>
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/VapOAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22andrew+hanwell%22&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover
>
> Notice particularly the one paragraph which reads:
>
> "Robert Read, the second son, is mentioned in the will of his grandfather.. There are also mentioned Margaret, Mildred (who married Thomas Mahew, of county Suffolk), and Anne, named after her grandmother, who married John Helyar, of Hasborne."
>
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/vYE3AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22godson+andrew+hanwell%22+mildred+mahew&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover
>
> The rambling narratives makes it a little hard to place Mildred (? Reade) Mahew "of Suffolk," but at least seems to indicate she was a Reade, not a Windebank.

The imposing website "DESCENDANTS OF EDWARD III: A Continuation of the Marquis de Ruvigny's The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal" gives the daughter of Henry Reade and Anne Windebank as:

5k. Mildred READE, bap. 1596 Feb 8; married 1624 Feb 15, Richard BLAKE and/or Thomas MAHEW of Suffolk.

The date is wrong and should be 15 Feb. 1621/2, as the parish register of Linkenholt shows:

Richard Blake, gent., & Mildred Read of Faccomb

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers_Stoke_Charity/VgUVAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22richard+blake%22+mildred&pg=PA80&printsec=frontcover

I suppose it's possible Mr. Blake died soon after and Mildred remarried to Mahew the younger, or had her own son Mahew the younger before the date of Mildred (Windebank) Reade's will.

On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:23:25 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > I'll stress heavily that I think this probably does not actually connect to the Mayhews of Martha's Vineyard.
> >
> > Banks's _History of Martha's Vineyard_ mentions in passing that there was a "Thomas Mayhowe" baptized August 1617 at St. Martin's in the Fields, London, and that "[t]he will of Mildred Reade of Linkenhurst, Co. Hants, widow, dated Aug. 15, 1630, mentions her nephew "Thomas Mayhew the younger."
> >
> > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002001112078&view=1up&seq=127&skin=2021&q1=mildred
> >
> > The place name is given wrongly; Linkenhurst should be "Linkenholt" ... this is actually Mildred (Windebank) Reade, an ancestor of President George Washington.
> >
> > The will of Mildred is on the web and states: "I bequeath to my nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger, one cow and six ewes." Also ... "In witness whereof I have to these present set my hand and seale this 15 August in the sixth year of the reign of Our Sovereign Lord Charles etc A.D. 1630 in the presence of Henry Reade and Thomas Mayhew."
> >
> > This could be taken to possibly indicate an underage nephew "Mayhew the younger," with his father, also named Thomas Mayhew, as a witness.
> >
> > http://www.thehennesseefamily.com/getperson.php?personID=I35805&tree=hennessee
> >
> > Or, I suppose, "nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger" could also be the same witness.
> >
> > A very long account of the Reade family of Faccombe, Hampshire, is given here:
> >
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/VapOAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22andrew+hanwell%22&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover
> >
> > Notice particularly the one paragraph which reads:
> >
> > "Robert Read, the second son, is mentioned in the will of his grandfather. There are also mentioned Margaret, Mildred (who married Thomas Mahew, of county Suffolk), and Anne, named after her grandmother, who married John Helyar, of Hasborne."
> >
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/vYE3AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22godson+andrew+hanwell%22+mildred+mahew&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover
> >
> > The rambling narratives makes it a little hard to place Mildred (? Reade) Mahew "of Suffolk," but at least seems to indicate she was a Reade, not a Windebank.
> The imposing website "DESCENDANTS OF EDWARD III: A Continuation of the Marquis de Ruvigny's The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal" gives the daughter of Henry Reade and Anne Windebank as:
>
> 5k. Mildred READE, bap. 1596 Feb 8; married 1624 Feb 15, Richard BLAKE and/or Thomas MAHEW of Suffolk.
>
> The date is wrong and should be 15 Feb. 1621/2, as the parish register of Linkenholt shows:
>
> Richard Blake, gent., & Mildred Read of Faccomb
>
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers_Stoke_Charity/VgUVAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22richard+blake%22+mildred&pg=PA80&printsec=frontcover
>
> I suppose it's possible Mr. Blake died soon after and Mildred remarried to Mahew the younger, or had her own son Mahew the younger before the date of Mildred (Windebank) Reade's will.

https://www.angelfire.com/realm3/ruvignyplus/index.html

On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:55:42 AM UTC-5, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:23:25 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > I'll stress heavily that I think this probably does not actually connect to the Mayhews of Martha's Vineyard.
> > >
> > > Banks's _History of Martha's Vineyard_ mentions in passing that there was a "Thomas Mayhowe" baptized August 1617 at St. Martin's in the Fields, London, and that "[t]he will of Mildred Reade of Linkenhurst, Co. Hants, widow, dated Aug. 15, 1630, mentions her nephew "Thomas Mayhew the younger."
> > >
> > > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002001112078&view=1up&seq=127&skin=2021&q1=mildred
> > >
> > > The place name is given wrongly; Linkenhurst should be "Linkenholt" .... this is actually Mildred (Windebank) Reade, an ancestor of President George Washington.
> > >
> > > The will of Mildred is on the web and states: "I bequeath to my nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger, one cow and six ewes." Also ... "In witness whereof I have to these present set my hand and seale this 15 August in the sixth year of the reign of Our Sovereign Lord Charles etc A.D. 1630 in the presence of Henry Reade and Thomas Mayhew."
> > >
> > > This could be taken to possibly indicate an underage nephew "Mayhew the younger," with his father, also named Thomas Mayhew, as a witness.
> > >
> > > http://www.thehennesseefamily.com/getperson.php?personID=I35805&tree=hennessee
> > >
> > > Or, I suppose, "nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger" could also be the same witness.
> > >
> > > A very long account of the Reade family of Faccombe, Hampshire, is given here:
> > >
> > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/VapOAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22andrew+hanwell%22&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover
> > >
> > > Notice particularly the one paragraph which reads:
> > >
> > > "Robert Read, the second son, is mentioned in the will of his grandfather. There are also mentioned Margaret, Mildred (who married Thomas Mahew, of county Suffolk), and Anne, named after her grandmother, who married John Helyar, of Hasborne."
> > >
> > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/vYE3AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22godson+andrew+hanwell%22+mildred+mahew&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover
> > >
> > > The rambling narratives makes it a little hard to place Mildred (? Reade) Mahew "of Suffolk," but at least seems to indicate she was a Reade, not a Windebank.
> > The imposing website "DESCENDANTS OF EDWARD III: A Continuation of the Marquis de Ruvigny's The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal" gives the daughter of Henry Reade and Anne Windebank as:
> >
> > 5k. Mildred READE, bap. 1596 Feb 8; married 1624 Feb 15, Richard BLAKE and/or Thomas MAHEW of Suffolk.
> >
> > The date is wrong and should be 15 Feb. 1621/2, as the parish register of Linkenholt shows:
> >
> > Richard Blake, gent., & Mildred Read of Faccomb
> >
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers_Stoke_Charity/VgUVAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22richard+blake%22+mildred&pg=PA80&printsec=frontcover
> >
> > I suppose it's possible Mr. Blake died soon after and Mildred remarried to Mahew the younger, or had her own son Mahew the younger before the date of Mildred (Windebank) Reade's will.
> https://www.angelfire.com/realm3/ruvignyplus/index.html

My own descent from Mayhew is via a second wife of Thomas Mayhew, Sr., the agent of Craddock in New England, the son being a minister and translator/ teacher of the native language. The second wife's parents were Edward Galland, vintner and innkeeper of Wantage, by a wife Agnes, shown as "Agnes Wilmot" in their marriage record ca. 1600. However, as I have pointed out, Oxford Surveys published ca. 1960 seems to indicate that one Oxford dweller, William Spenser, of the same period, had property there that descended to his daughter Agnes Galland. Snippets I can read state:

"It had been once of Will. Spenser, then of Agnes Galland his daughter; Chillingworth had bought it of Edward Galland ..."

[two pages earlier] "VII. 500. 12 Jac. 1 to Edward Galland of Wantage vintner; 40 years."

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22galland%20his%20daughter%22

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&dq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&printsec=frontcover

It's possible that Agnes Spenser was the mother of Edward Galland, or that "Agnes Wilmot" married 1600 was nee Spenser.

The property may be this one in St. Martin, Oxford, the subject of a James I era indenture involving Arthur Lake, DD., and "Edward Galland" for forty years.

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Charters_and_Rolls_Preserved/DOL1whHHEdAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=oxford+%22edward+galland%22&pg=PA284&printsec=frontcover

On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:47:15 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:55:42 AM UTC-5, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:23:25 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > I'll stress heavily that I think this probably does not actually connect to the Mayhews of Martha's Vineyard.
> > > >
> > > > Banks's _History of Martha's Vineyard_ mentions in passing that there was a "Thomas Mayhowe" baptized August 1617 at St. Martin's in the Fields, London, and that "[t]he will of Mildred Reade of Linkenhurst, Co. Hants, widow, dated Aug. 15, 1630, mentions her nephew "Thomas Mayhew the younger.."
> > > >
> > > > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002001112078&view=1up&seq=127&skin=2021&q1=mildred
> > > >
> > > > The place name is given wrongly; Linkenhurst should be "Linkenholt" ... this is actually Mildred (Windebank) Reade, an ancestor of President George Washington.
> > > >
> > > > The will of Mildred is on the web and states: "I bequeath to my nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger, one cow and six ewes." Also ... "In witness whereof I have to these present set my hand and seale this 15 August in the sixth year of the reign of Our Sovereign Lord Charles etc A.D. 1630 in the presence of Henry Reade and Thomas Mayhew."
> > > >
> > > > This could be taken to possibly indicate an underage nephew "Mayhew the younger," with his father, also named Thomas Mayhew, as a witness.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.thehennesseefamily.com/getperson.php?personID=I35805&tree=hennessee
> > > >
> > > > Or, I suppose, "nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger" could also be the same witness.
> > > >
> > > > A very long account of the Reade family of Faccombe, Hampshire, is given here:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/VapOAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22andrew+hanwell%22&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover
> > > >
> > > > Notice particularly the one paragraph which reads:
> > > >
> > > > "Robert Read, the second son, is mentioned in the will of his grandfather. There are also mentioned Margaret, Mildred (who married Thomas Mahew, of county Suffolk), and Anne, named after her grandmother, who married John Helyar, of Hasborne."
> > > >
> > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/vYE3AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22godson+andrew+hanwell%22+mildred+mahew&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover
> > > >
> > > > The rambling narratives makes it a little hard to place Mildred (? Reade) Mahew "of Suffolk," but at least seems to indicate she was a Reade, not a Windebank.
> > > The imposing website "DESCENDANTS OF EDWARD III: A Continuation of the Marquis de Ruvigny's The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal" gives the daughter of Henry Reade and Anne Windebank as:
> > >
> > > 5k. Mildred READE, bap. 1596 Feb 8; married 1624 Feb 15, Richard BLAKE and/or Thomas MAHEW of Suffolk.
> > >
> > > The date is wrong and should be 15 Feb. 1621/2, as the parish register of Linkenholt shows:
> > >
> > > Richard Blake, gent., & Mildred Read of Faccomb
> > >
> > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers_Stoke_Charity/VgUVAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22richard+blake%22+mildred&pg=PA80&printsec=frontcover
> > >
> > > I suppose it's possible Mr. Blake died soon after and Mildred remarried to Mahew the younger, or had her own son Mahew the younger before the date of Mildred (Windebank) Reade's will.
> > https://www.angelfire.com/realm3/ruvignyplus/index.html
> My own descent from Mayhew is via a second wife of Thomas Mayhew, Sr., the agent of Craddock in New England, the son being a minister and translator/ teacher of the native language. The second wife's parents were Edward Galland, vintner and innkeeper of Wantage, by a wife Agnes, shown as "Agnes Wilmot" in their marriage record ca. 1600. However, as I have pointed out, Oxford Surveys published ca. 1960 seems to indicate that one Oxford dweller, William Spenser, of the same period, had property there that descended to his daughter Agnes Galland. Snippets I can read state:
>
> "It had been once of Will. Spenser, then of Agnes Galland his daughter; Chillingworth had bought it of Edward Galland ..."
>
> [two pages earlier] "VII. 500. 12 Jac. 1 to Edward Galland of Wantage vintner; 40 years."
>
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22galland%20his%20daughter%22
>
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&dq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&printsec=frontcover

>
> It's possible that Agnes Spenser was the mother of Edward Galland, or that "Agnes Wilmot" married 1600 was nee Spenser.
>
> The property may be this one in St. Martin, Oxford, the subject of a James I era indenture involving Arthur Lake, DD., and "Edward Galland" for forty years.
>
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Charters_and_Rolls_Preserved/DOL1whHHEdAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=oxford+%22edward+galland%22&pg=PA284&printsec=frontcover

This Edward Galland, deacon in the C of E, was a brother of the second wife:
https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Biographical_Register_of_St_John_s_Col/jhsIycOY6N8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=galland

On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 8:03:44 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
> On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:47:15 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
> > On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:55:42 AM UTC-5, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:23:25 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > I'll stress heavily that I think this probably does not actually connect to the Mayhews of Martha's Vineyard.
> > > > >
> > > > > Banks's _History of Martha's Vineyard_ mentions in passing that there was a "Thomas Mayhowe" baptized August 1617 at St. Martin's in the Fields, London, and that "[t]he will of Mildred Reade of Linkenhurst, Co. Hants, widow, dated Aug. 15, 1630, mentions her nephew "Thomas Mayhew the younger."
> > > > >
> > > > > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002001112078&view=1up&seq=127&skin=2021&q1=mildred
> > > > >
> > > > > The place name is given wrongly; Linkenhurst should be "Linkenholt" ... this is actually Mildred (Windebank) Reade, an ancestor of President George Washington.
> > > > >
> > > > > The will of Mildred is on the web and states: "I bequeath to my nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger, one cow and six ewes." Also ... "In witness whereof I have to these present set my hand and seale this 15 August in the sixth year of the reign of Our Sovereign Lord Charles etc A.D. 1630 in the presence of Henry Reade and Thomas Mayhew."
> > > > >
> > > > > This could be taken to possibly indicate an underage nephew "Mayhew the younger," with his father, also named Thomas Mayhew, as a witness.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.thehennesseefamily.com/getperson.php?personID=I35805&tree=hennessee
> > > > >
> > > > > Or, I suppose, "nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger" could also be the same witness.
> > > > >
> > > > > A very long account of the Reade family of Faccombe, Hampshire, is given here:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/VapOAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22andrew+hanwell%22&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover
> > > > >
> > > > > Notice particularly the one paragraph which reads:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Robert Read, the second son, is mentioned in the will of his grandfather. There are also mentioned Margaret, Mildred (who married Thomas Mahew, of county Suffolk), and Anne, named after her grandmother, who married John Helyar, of Hasborne."
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/vYE3AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22godson+andrew+hanwell%22+mildred+mahew&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover
> > > > >
> > > > > The rambling narratives makes it a little hard to place Mildred (? Reade) Mahew "of Suffolk," but at least seems to indicate she was a Reade, not a Windebank.
> > > > The imposing website "DESCENDANTS OF EDWARD III: A Continuation of the Marquis de Ruvigny's The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal" gives the daughter of Henry Reade and Anne Windebank as:
> > > >
> > > > 5k. Mildred READE, bap. 1596 Feb 8; married 1624 Feb 15, Richard BLAKE and/or Thomas MAHEW of Suffolk.
> > > >
> > > > The date is wrong and should be 15 Feb. 1621/2, as the parish register of Linkenholt shows:
> > > >
> > > > Richard Blake, gent., & Mildred Read of Faccomb
> > > >
> > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers_Stoke_Charity/VgUVAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22richard+blake%22+mildred&pg=PA80&printsec=frontcover
> > > >
> > > > I suppose it's possible Mr. Blake died soon after and Mildred remarried to Mahew the younger, or had her own son Mahew the younger before the date of Mildred (Windebank) Reade's will.
> > > https://www.angelfire.com/realm3/ruvignyplus/index.html
> > My own descent from Mayhew is via a second wife of Thomas Mayhew, Sr., the agent of Craddock in New England, the son being a minister and translator/ teacher of the native language. The second wife's parents were Edward Galland, vintner and innkeeper of Wantage, by a wife Agnes, shown as "Agnes Wilmot" in their marriage record ca. 1600. However, as I have pointed out, Oxford Surveys published ca. 1960 seems to indicate that one Oxford dweller, William Spenser, of the same period, had property there that descended to his daughter Agnes Galland. Snippets I can read state:
> >
> > "It had been once of Will. Spenser, then of Agnes Galland his daughter; Chillingworth had bought it of Edward Galland ..."
> >
> > [two pages earlier] "VII. 500. 12 Jac. 1 to Edward Galland of Wantage vintner; 40 years."
> >
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22galland%20his%20daughter%22
> >
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&dq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&printsec=frontcover
>
> >
> > It's possible that Agnes Spenser was the mother of Edward Galland, or that "Agnes Wilmot" married 1600 was nee Spenser.
> >
> > The property may be this one in St. Martin, Oxford, the subject of a James I era indenture involving Arthur Lake, DD., and "Edward Galland" for forty years.
> >
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Charters_and_Rolls_Preserved/DOL1whHHEdAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=oxford+%22edward+galland%22&pg=PA284&printsec=frontcover
> This Edward Galland, deacon in the C of E, was a brother of the second wife:
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Biographical_Register_of_St_John_s_Col/jhsIycOY6N8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=galland

Possibly of interest ...

Overton, Hampshire

--Thomas Mayhew & Margery Palmer [married] ... Mar. 1644
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers/McMUAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22margery+palmer%22+mahew&pg=PA74&printsec=frontcover

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 10:19:45 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 8:03:44 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
> > On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:47:15 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
> > > On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:55:42 AM UTC-5, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:23:25 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > > I'll stress heavily that I think this probably does not actually connect to the Mayhews of Martha's Vineyard.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Banks's _History of Martha's Vineyard_ mentions in passing that there was a "Thomas Mayhowe" baptized August 1617 at St. Martin's in the Fields, London, and that "[t]he will of Mildred Reade of Linkenhurst, Co. Hants, widow, dated Aug. 15, 1630, mentions her nephew "Thomas Mayhew the younger."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002001112078&view=1up&seq=127&skin=2021&q1=mildred
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The place name is given wrongly; Linkenhurst should be "Linkenholt" ... this is actually Mildred (Windebank) Reade, an ancestor of President George Washington.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The will of Mildred is on the web and states: "I bequeath to my nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger, one cow and six ewes." Also ... "In witness whereof I have to these present set my hand and seale this 15 August in the sixth year of the reign of Our Sovereign Lord Charles etc A.D. 1630 in the presence of Henry Reade and Thomas Mayhew."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This could be taken to possibly indicate an underage nephew "Mayhew the younger," with his father, also named Thomas Mayhew, as a witness.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.thehennesseefamily.com/getperson.php?personID=I35805&tree=hennessee
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Or, I suppose, "nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger" could also be the same witness.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A very long account of the Reade family of Faccombe, Hampshire, is given here:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/VapOAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22andrew+hanwell%22&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Notice particularly the one paragraph which reads:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Robert Read, the second son, is mentioned in the will of his grandfather. There are also mentioned Margaret, Mildred (who married Thomas Mahew, of county Suffolk), and Anne, named after her grandmother, who married John Helyar, of Hasborne."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/vYE3AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22godson+andrew+hanwell%22+mildred+mahew&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The rambling narratives makes it a little hard to place Mildred (? Reade) Mahew "of Suffolk," but at least seems to indicate she was a Reade, not a Windebank.
> > > > > The imposing website "DESCENDANTS OF EDWARD III: A Continuation of the Marquis de Ruvigny's The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal" gives the daughter of Henry Reade and Anne Windebank as:
> > > > >
> > > > > 5k. Mildred READE, bap. 1596 Feb 8; married 1624 Feb 15, Richard BLAKE and/or Thomas MAHEW of Suffolk.
> > > > >
> > > > > The date is wrong and should be 15 Feb. 1621/2, as the parish register of Linkenholt shows:
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard Blake, gent., & Mildred Read of Faccomb
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers_Stoke_Charity/VgUVAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22richard+blake%22+mildred&pg=PA80&printsec=frontcover
> > > > >
> > > > > I suppose it's possible Mr. Blake died soon after and Mildred remarried to Mahew the younger, or had her own son Mahew the younger before the date of Mildred (Windebank) Reade's will.
> > > > https://www.angelfire.com/realm3/ruvignyplus/index.html
> > > My own descent from Mayhew is via a second wife of Thomas Mayhew, Sr., the agent of Craddock in New England, the son being a minister and translator/ teacher of the native language. The second wife's parents were Edward Galland, vintner and innkeeper of Wantage, by a wife Agnes, shown as "Agnes Wilmot" in their marriage record ca. 1600. However, as I have pointed out, Oxford Surveys published ca. 1960 seems to indicate that one Oxford dweller, William Spenser, of the same period, had property there that descended to his daughter Agnes Galland. Snippets I can read state:
> > >
> > > "It had been once of Will. Spenser, then of Agnes Galland his daughter; Chillingworth had bought it of Edward Galland ..."
> > >
> > > [two pages earlier] "VII. 500. 12 Jac. 1 to Edward Galland of Wantage vintner; 40 years."
> > >
> > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22galland%20his%20daughter%22
> > >
> > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&dq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&printsec=frontcover
> >
> > >
> > > It's possible that Agnes Spenser was the mother of Edward Galland, or that "Agnes Wilmot" married 1600 was nee Spenser.
> > >
> > > The property may be this one in St. Martin, Oxford, the subject of a James I era indenture involving Arthur Lake, DD., and "Edward Galland" for forty years.
> > >
> > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Charters_and_Rolls_Preserved/DOL1whHHEdAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=oxford+%22edward+galland%22&pg=PA284&printsec=frontcover
> > This Edward Galland, deacon in the C of E, was a brother of the second wife:
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Biographical_Register_of_St_John_s_Col/jhsIycOY6N8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=galland
> Possibly of interest ...
>
> Overton, Hampshire
>
> --Thomas Mayhew & Margery Palmer [married] ... Mar. 1644
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers/McMUAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22margery+palmer%22+mahew&pg=PA74&printsec=frontcover

I should point of that it's clear that Thomas Windebank, d. 1607, clerk of the Signet had another wife (ie., a later wife) than Frances Dymmoke. This was a certain Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq.

See the letter below in which Mary Windebank writes to her husband Thomas in mid-1600, mentioning the impending marriage of "your daughter Mildred" to Mr. Reade's son. (Mary apparently did not get along with the Reades and asked her husband to house her separately during the wedding festivities, during which the Reades would descend upon their property at Haynes Hill).

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_State_Papers/wII9AAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22mary+windebank%22&pg=PA440&printsec=frontcover

Mary Windebank's identity is shown in List & Index Society, vol. 253 [Calendar of Chancery Decree Rolls, C 78/46-85, published 1994], in entry C 78/69/12:

"13 June 34 Eliz ...... Thomas Windebank, clerk of the signet and wife Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq v[ersus] Sir Thomas Fludde, Lyving Bufkyn [sic], Michael Berysforde, Thomas Turney and Robert Moyle, esqs [. . . ] Lease of a messuage, tenement and brewhouse called the Vyne and other premises in St. Saviour, Southwark, Surrey."

Is it possible that Thomas Windebank had younger children by Mary (____) Hunte?

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 6:09:21 PM UTC-4, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 10:19:45 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 8:03:44 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
> > > On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:47:15 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
> > > > On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:55:42 AM UTC-5, ravinma...@yahoo..com wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:23:25 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > > > I'll stress heavily that I think this probably does not actually connect to the Mayhews of Martha's Vineyard.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Banks's _History of Martha's Vineyard_ mentions in passing that there was a "Thomas Mayhowe" baptized August 1617 at St. Martin's in the Fields, London, and that "[t]he will of Mildred Reade of Linkenhurst, Co. Hants, widow, dated Aug. 15, 1630, mentions her nephew "Thomas Mayhew the younger."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002001112078&view=1up&seq=127&skin=2021&q1=mildred
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The place name is given wrongly; Linkenhurst should be "Linkenholt" ... this is actually Mildred (Windebank) Reade, an ancestor of President George Washington.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The will of Mildred is on the web and states: "I bequeath to my nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger, one cow and six ewes." Also ... "In witness whereof I have to these present set my hand and seale this 15 August in the sixth year of the reign of Our Sovereign Lord Charles etc A.D. 1630 in the presence of Henry Reade and Thomas Mayhew."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This could be taken to possibly indicate an underage nephew "Mayhew the younger," with his father, also named Thomas Mayhew, as a witness.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.thehennesseefamily.com/getperson.php?personID=I35805&tree=hennessee
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Or, I suppose, "nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger" could also be the same witness.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A very long account of the Reade family of Faccombe, Hampshire, is given here:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/VapOAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22andrew+hanwell%22&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Notice particularly the one paragraph which reads:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Robert Read, the second son, is mentioned in the will of his grandfather. There are also mentioned Margaret, Mildred (who married Thomas Mahew, of county Suffolk), and Anne, named after her grandmother, who married John Helyar, of Hasborne."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/vYE3AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22godson+andrew+hanwell%22+mildred+mahew&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The rambling narratives makes it a little hard to place Mildred (? Reade) Mahew "of Suffolk," but at least seems to indicate she was a Reade, not a Windebank.
> > > > > > The imposing website "DESCENDANTS OF EDWARD III: A Continuation of the Marquis de Ruvigny's The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal" gives the daughter of Henry Reade and Anne Windebank as:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 5k. Mildred READE, bap. 1596 Feb 8; married 1624 Feb 15, Richard BLAKE and/or Thomas MAHEW of Suffolk.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The date is wrong and should be 15 Feb. 1621/2, as the parish register of Linkenholt shows:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Richard Blake, gent., & Mildred Read of Faccomb
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers_Stoke_Charity/VgUVAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22richard+blake%22+mildred&pg=PA80&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I suppose it's possible Mr. Blake died soon after and Mildred remarried to Mahew the younger, or had her own son Mahew the younger before the date of Mildred (Windebank) Reade's will.
> > > > > https://www.angelfire.com/realm3/ruvignyplus/index.html
> > > > My own descent from Mayhew is via a second wife of Thomas Mayhew, Sr., the agent of Craddock in New England, the son being a minister and translator/ teacher of the native language. The second wife's parents were Edward Galland, vintner and innkeeper of Wantage, by a wife Agnes, shown as "Agnes Wilmot" in their marriage record ca. 1600. However, as I have pointed out, Oxford Surveys published ca. 1960 seems to indicate that one Oxford dweller, William Spenser, of the same period, had property there that descended to his daughter Agnes Galland. Snippets I can read state:
> > > >
> > > > "It had been once of Will. Spenser, then of Agnes Galland his daughter; Chillingworth had bought it of Edward Galland ..."
> > > >
> > > > [two pages earlier] "VII. 500. 12 Jac. 1 to Edward Galland of Wantage vintner; 40 years."
> > > >
> > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22galland%20his%20daughter%22
> > > >
> > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&dq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&printsec=frontcover
> > >
> > > >
> > > > It's possible that Agnes Spenser was the mother of Edward Galland, or that "Agnes Wilmot" married 1600 was nee Spenser.
> > > >
> > > > The property may be this one in St. Martin, Oxford, the subject of a James I era indenture involving Arthur Lake, DD., and "Edward Galland" for forty years.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Charters_and_Rolls_Preserved/DOL1whHHEdAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=oxford+%22edward+galland%22&pg=PA284&printsec=frontcover
> > > This Edward Galland, deacon in the C of E, was a brother of the second wife:
> > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Biographical_Register_of_St_John_s_Col/jhsIycOY6N8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=galland
> > Possibly of interest ...
> >
> > Overton, Hampshire
> >
> > --Thomas Mayhew & Margery Palmer [married] ... Mar. 1644
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers/McMUAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22margery+palmer%22+mahew&pg=PA74&printsec=frontcover
> I should point of that it's clear that Thomas Windebank, d. 1607, clerk of the Signet had another wife (ie., a later wife) than Frances Dymmoke. This was a certain Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq.
>
> See the letter below in which Mary Windebank writes to her husband Thomas in mid-1600, mentioning the impending marriage of "your daughter Mildred" to Mr. Reade's son. (Mary apparently did not get along with the Reades and asked her husband to house her separately during the wedding festivities, during which the Reades would descend upon their property at Haynes Hill).
>
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_State_Papers/wII9AAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22mary+windebank%22&pg=PA440&printsec=frontcover
>
> Mary Windebank's identity is shown in List & Index Society, vol. 253 [Calendar of Chancery Decree Rolls, C 78/46-85, published 1994], in entry C 78/69/12:
>
> "13 June 34 Eliz ...... Thomas Windebank, clerk of the signet and wife Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq v[ersus] Sir Thomas Fludde, Lyving Bufkyn [sic], Michael Berysforde, Thomas Turney and Robert Moyle, esqs [. . . ] Lease of a messuage, tenement and brewhouse called the Vyne and other premises in St. Saviour, Southwark, Surrey."
>
> Is it possible that Thomas Windebank had younger children by Mary (____) Hunte?

http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/C78/C78no69.pdf

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 8:24:03 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 6:09:21 PM UTC-4, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 10:19:45 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 8:03:44 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:47:15 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:55:42 AM UTC-5, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:23:25 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > > > > I'll stress heavily that I think this probably does not actually connect to the Mayhews of Martha's Vineyard.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Banks's _History of Martha's Vineyard_ mentions in passing that there was a "Thomas Mayhowe" baptized August 1617 at St. Martin's in the Fields, London, and that "[t]he will of Mildred Reade of Linkenhurst, Co.. Hants, widow, dated Aug. 15, 1630, mentions her nephew "Thomas Mayhew the younger."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002001112078&view=1up&seq=127&skin=2021&q1=mildred
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The place name is given wrongly; Linkenhurst should be "Linkenholt" ... this is actually Mildred (Windebank) Reade, an ancestor of President George Washington.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The will of Mildred is on the web and states: "I bequeath to my nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger, one cow and six ewes." Also ... "In witness whereof I have to these present set my hand and seale this 15 August in the sixth year of the reign of Our Sovereign Lord Charles etc A.D. 1630 in the presence of Henry Reade and Thomas Mayhew."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This could be taken to possibly indicate an underage nephew "Mayhew the younger," with his father, also named Thomas Mayhew, as a witness.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://www.thehennesseefamily.com/getperson.php?personID=I35805&tree=hennessee
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Or, I suppose, "nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger" could also be the same witness.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A very long account of the Reade family of Faccombe, Hampshire, is given here:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/VapOAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22andrew+hanwell%22&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Notice particularly the one paragraph which reads:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Robert Read, the second son, is mentioned in the will of his grandfather. There are also mentioned Margaret, Mildred (who married Thomas Mahew, of county Suffolk), and Anne, named after her grandmother, who married John Helyar, of Hasborne."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/vYE3AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22godson+andrew+hanwell%22+mildred+mahew&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The rambling narratives makes it a little hard to place Mildred (? Reade) Mahew "of Suffolk," but at least seems to indicate she was a Reade, not a Windebank.
> > > > > > > The imposing website "DESCENDANTS OF EDWARD III: A Continuation of the Marquis de Ruvigny's The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal" gives the daughter of Henry Reade and Anne Windebank as:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 5k. Mildred READE, bap. 1596 Feb 8; married 1624 Feb 15, Richard BLAKE and/or Thomas MAHEW of Suffolk.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The date is wrong and should be 15 Feb. 1621/2, as the parish register of Linkenholt shows:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Richard Blake, gent., & Mildred Read of Faccomb
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers_Stoke_Charity/VgUVAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22richard+blake%22+mildred&pg=PA80&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I suppose it's possible Mr. Blake died soon after and Mildred remarried to Mahew the younger, or had her own son Mahew the younger before the date of Mildred (Windebank) Reade's will.
> > > > > > https://www.angelfire.com/realm3/ruvignyplus/index.html
> > > > > My own descent from Mayhew is via a second wife of Thomas Mayhew, Sr., the agent of Craddock in New England, the son being a minister and translator/ teacher of the native language. The second wife's parents were Edward Galland, vintner and innkeeper of Wantage, by a wife Agnes, shown as "Agnes Wilmot" in their marriage record ca. 1600. However, as I have pointed out, Oxford Surveys published ca. 1960 seems to indicate that one Oxford dweller, William Spenser, of the same period, had property there that descended to his daughter Agnes Galland. Snippets I can read state:
> > > > >
> > > > > "It had been once of Will. Spenser, then of Agnes Galland his daughter; Chillingworth had bought it of Edward Galland ..."
> > > > >
> > > > > [two pages earlier] "VII. 500. 12 Jac. 1 to Edward Galland of Wantage vintner; 40 years."
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22galland%20his%20daughter%22
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&dq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&printsec=frontcover
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It's possible that Agnes Spenser was the mother of Edward Galland, or that "Agnes Wilmot" married 1600 was nee Spenser.
> > > > >
> > > > > The property may be this one in St. Martin, Oxford, the subject of a James I era indenture involving Arthur Lake, DD., and "Edward Galland" for forty years.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Charters_and_Rolls_Preserved/DOL1whHHEdAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=oxford+%22edward+galland%22&pg=PA284&printsec=frontcover
> > > > This Edward Galland, deacon in the C of E, was a brother of the second wife:
> > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Biographical_Register_of_St_John_s_Col/jhsIycOY6N8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=galland
> > > Possibly of interest ...
> > >
> > > Overton, Hampshire
> > >
> > > --Thomas Mayhew & Margery Palmer [married] ... Mar. 1644
> > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers/McMUAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22margery+palmer%22+mahew&pg=PA74&printsec=frontcover
> > I should point of that it's clear that Thomas Windebank, d. 1607, clerk of the Signet had another wife (ie., a later wife) than Frances Dymmoke. This was a certain Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq.
> >
> > See the letter below in which Mary Windebank writes to her husband Thomas in mid-1600, mentioning the impending marriage of "your daughter Mildred" to Mr. Reade's son. (Mary apparently did not get along with the Reades and asked her husband to house her separately during the wedding festivities, during which the Reades would descend upon their property at Haynes Hill).
> >
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_State_Papers/wII9AAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22mary+windebank%22&pg=PA440&printsec=frontcover
> >
> > Mary Windebank's identity is shown in List & Index Society, vol. 253 [Calendar of Chancery Decree Rolls, C 78/46-85, published 1994], in entry C 78/69/12:
> >
> > "13 June 34 Eliz ...... Thomas Windebank, clerk of the signet and wife Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq v[ersus] Sir Thomas Fludde, Lyving Bufkyn [sic], Michael Berysforde, Thomas Turney and Robert Moyle, esqs [. . . ] Lease of a messuage, tenement and brewhouse called the Vyne and other premises in St. Saviour, Southwark, Surrey."
> >
> > Is it possible that Thomas Windebank had younger children by Mary (____) Hunte?
> http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/C78/C78no69.pdf

1596 letter of Mrs. Mary Windebank to Cecil to "be a means" to Mr. Windebank that he will send his difficult married daughter [apparently Anne Windebank, already married to another son of Mr. Reade] home so that she may have some peace; or to allow her to take the goods she brought to the marriage and depart.

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 11:47:49 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 8:24:03 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
> > On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 6:09:21 PM UTC-4, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 10:19:45 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 8:03:44 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:47:15 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:55:42 AM UTC-5, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:23:25 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I'll stress heavily that I think this probably does not actually connect to the Mayhews of Martha's Vineyard.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Banks's _History of Martha's Vineyard_ mentions in passing that there was a "Thomas Mayhowe" baptized August 1617 at St. Martin's in the Fields, London, and that "[t]he will of Mildred Reade of Linkenhurst, Co. Hants, widow, dated Aug. 15, 1630, mentions her nephew "Thomas Mayhew the younger."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002001112078&view=1up&seq=127&skin=2021&q1=mildred
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The place name is given wrongly; Linkenhurst should be "Linkenholt" ... this is actually Mildred (Windebank) Reade, an ancestor of President George Washington.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The will of Mildred is on the web and states: "I bequeath to my nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger, one cow and six ewes." Also ... "In witness whereof I have to these present set my hand and seale this 15 August in the sixth year of the reign of Our Sovereign Lord Charles etc A.D. 1630 in the presence of Henry Reade and Thomas Mayhew."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This could be taken to possibly indicate an underage nephew "Mayhew the younger," with his father, also named Thomas Mayhew, as a witness.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > http://www.thehennesseefamily.com/getperson.php?personID=I35805&tree=hennessee
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Or, I suppose, "nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger" could also be the same witness.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > A very long account of the Reade family of Faccombe, Hampshire, is given here:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/VapOAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22andrew+hanwell%22&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Notice particularly the one paragraph which reads:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Robert Read, the second son, is mentioned in the will of his grandfather. There are also mentioned Margaret, Mildred (who married Thomas Mahew, of county Suffolk), and Anne, named after her grandmother, who married John Helyar, of Hasborne."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/vYE3AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22godson+andrew+hanwell%22+mildred+mahew&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The rambling narratives makes it a little hard to place Mildred (? Reade) Mahew "of Suffolk," but at least seems to indicate she was a Reade, not a Windebank.
> > > > > > > > The imposing website "DESCENDANTS OF EDWARD III: A Continuation of the Marquis de Ruvigny's The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal" gives the daughter of Henry Reade and Anne Windebank as:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 5k. Mildred READE, bap. 1596 Feb 8; married 1624 Feb 15, Richard BLAKE and/or Thomas MAHEW of Suffolk.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The date is wrong and should be 15 Feb. 1621/2, as the parish register of Linkenholt shows:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Richard Blake, gent., & Mildred Read of Faccomb
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers_Stoke_Charity/VgUVAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22richard+blake%22+mildred&pg=PA80&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I suppose it's possible Mr. Blake died soon after and Mildred remarried to Mahew the younger, or had her own son Mahew the younger before the date of Mildred (Windebank) Reade's will.
> > > > > > > https://www.angelfire.com/realm3/ruvignyplus/index.html
> > > > > > My own descent from Mayhew is via a second wife of Thomas Mayhew, Sr., the agent of Craddock in New England, the son being a minister and translator/ teacher of the native language. The second wife's parents were Edward Galland, vintner and innkeeper of Wantage, by a wife Agnes, shown as "Agnes Wilmot" in their marriage record ca. 1600. However, as I have pointed out, Oxford Surveys published ca. 1960 seems to indicate that one Oxford dweller, William Spenser, of the same period, had property there that descended to his daughter Agnes Galland. Snippets I can read state:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "It had been once of Will. Spenser, then of Agnes Galland his daughter; Chillingworth had bought it of Edward Galland ..."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [two pages earlier] "VII. 500. 12 Jac. 1 to Edward Galland of Wantage vintner; 40 years."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22galland%20his%20daughter%22
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&dq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&printsec=frontcover
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's possible that Agnes Spenser was the mother of Edward Galland, or that "Agnes Wilmot" married 1600 was nee Spenser.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The property may be this one in St. Martin, Oxford, the subject of a James I era indenture involving Arthur Lake, DD., and "Edward Galland" for forty years.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Charters_and_Rolls_Preserved/DOL1whHHEdAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=oxford+%22edward+galland%22&pg=PA284&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > This Edward Galland, deacon in the C of E, was a brother of the second wife:
> > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Biographical_Register_of_St_John_s_Col/jhsIycOY6N8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=galland
> > > > Possibly of interest ...
> > > >
> > > > Overton, Hampshire
> > > >
> > > > --Thomas Mayhew & Margery Palmer [married] ... Mar. 1644
> > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers/McMUAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22margery+palmer%22+mahew&pg=PA74&printsec=frontcover
> > > I should point of that it's clear that Thomas Windebank, d. 1607, clerk of the Signet had another wife (ie., a later wife) than Frances Dymmoke. This was a certain Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq.
> > >
> > > See the letter below in which Mary Windebank writes to her husband Thomas in mid-1600, mentioning the impending marriage of "your daughter Mildred" to Mr. Reade's son. (Mary apparently did not get along with the Reades and asked her husband to house her separately during the wedding festivities, during which the Reades would descend upon their property at Haynes Hill).
> > >
> > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_State_Papers/wII9AAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22mary+windebank%22&pg=PA440&printsec=frontcover
> > >
> > > Mary Windebank's identity is shown in List & Index Society, vol. 253 [Calendar of Chancery Decree Rolls, C 78/46-85, published 1994], in entry C 78/69/12:
> > >
> > > "13 June 34 Eliz ...... Thomas Windebank, clerk of the signet and wife Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq v[ersus] Sir Thomas Fludde, Lyving Bufkyn [sic], Michael Berysforde, Thomas Turney and Robert Moyle, esqs [. . . ] Lease of a messuage, tenement and brewhouse called the Vyne and other premises in St. Saviour, Southwark, Surrey."
> > >
> > > Is it possible that Thomas Windebank had younger children by Mary (____) Hunte?
> > http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/C78/C78no69.pdf
> 1596 letter of Mrs. Mary Windebank to Cecil to "be a means" to Mr. Windebank that he will send his difficult married daughter [apparently Anne Windebank, already married to another son of Mr. Reade] home so that she may have some peace; or to allow her to take the goods she brought to the marriage and depart.
>
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_the_Manuscripts_of_the_Most/CvlVAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=thos+wyndebancke&pg=RA1-PA400&printsec=frontcover

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:14:56 AM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 11:47:49 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
> > On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 8:24:03 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
> > > On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 6:09:21 PM UTC-4, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 10:19:45 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 8:03:44 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:47:15 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:55:42 AM UTC-5, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:23:25 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I'll stress heavily that I think this probably does not actually connect to the Mayhews of Martha's Vineyard.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Banks's _History of Martha's Vineyard_ mentions in passing that there was a "Thomas Mayhowe" baptized August 1617 at St. Martin's in the Fields, London, and that "[t]he will of Mildred Reade of Linkenhurst, Co. Hants, widow, dated Aug. 15, 1630, mentions her nephew "Thomas Mayhew the younger."
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002001112078&view=1up&seq=127&skin=2021&q1=mildred
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The place name is given wrongly; Linkenhurst should be "Linkenholt" ... this is actually Mildred (Windebank) Reade, an ancestor of President George Washington.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The will of Mildred is on the web and states: "I bequeath to my nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger, one cow and six ewes." Also ... "In witness whereof I have to these present set my hand and seale this 15 August in the sixth year of the reign of Our Sovereign Lord Charles etc A.D. 1630 in the presence of Henry Reade and Thomas Mayhew."
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > This could be taken to possibly indicate an underage nephew "Mayhew the younger," with his father, also named Thomas Mayhew, as a witness.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > http://www.thehennesseefamily.com/getperson.php?personID=I35805&tree=hennessee
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Or, I suppose, "nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger" could also be the same witness.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > A very long account of the Reade family of Faccombe, Hampshire, is given here:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/VapOAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22andrew+hanwell%22&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Notice particularly the one paragraph which reads:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Robert Read, the second son, is mentioned in the will of his grandfather. There are also mentioned Margaret, Mildred (who married Thomas Mahew, of county Suffolk), and Anne, named after her grandmother, who married John Helyar, of Hasborne."
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/vYE3AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22godson+andrew+hanwell%22+mildred+mahew&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The rambling narratives makes it a little hard to place Mildred (? Reade) Mahew "of Suffolk," but at least seems to indicate she was a Reade, not a Windebank.
> > > > > > > > > The imposing website "DESCENDANTS OF EDWARD III: A Continuation of the Marquis de Ruvigny's The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal" gives the daughter of Henry Reade and Anne Windebank as:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 5k. Mildred READE, bap. 1596 Feb 8; married 1624 Feb 15, Richard BLAKE and/or Thomas MAHEW of Suffolk.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The date is wrong and should be 15 Feb. 1621/2, as the parish register of Linkenholt shows:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Richard Blake, gent., & Mildred Read of Faccomb
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers_Stoke_Charity/VgUVAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22richard+blake%22+mildred&pg=PA80&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I suppose it's possible Mr. Blake died soon after and Mildred remarried to Mahew the younger, or had her own son Mahew the younger before the date of Mildred (Windebank) Reade's will.
> > > > > > > > https://www.angelfire.com/realm3/ruvignyplus/index.html
> > > > > > > My own descent from Mayhew is via a second wife of Thomas Mayhew, Sr., the agent of Craddock in New England, the son being a minister and translator/ teacher of the native language. The second wife's parents were Edward Galland, vintner and innkeeper of Wantage, by a wife Agnes, shown as "Agnes Wilmot" in their marriage record ca. 1600. However, as I have pointed out, Oxford Surveys published ca. 1960 seems to indicate that one Oxford dweller, William Spenser, of the same period, had property there that descended to his daughter Agnes Galland. Snippets I can read state:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "It had been once of Will. Spenser, then of Agnes Galland his daughter; Chillingworth had bought it of Edward Galland ..."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [two pages earlier] "VII. 500. 12 Jac. 1 to Edward Galland of Wantage vintner; 40 years."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22galland%20his%20daughter%22
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&dq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's possible that Agnes Spenser was the mother of Edward Galland, or that "Agnes Wilmot" married 1600 was nee Spenser.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The property may be this one in St. Martin, Oxford, the subject of a James I era indenture involving Arthur Lake, DD., and "Edward Galland" for forty years.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Charters_and_Rolls_Preserved/DOL1whHHEdAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=oxford+%22edward+galland%22&pg=PA284&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > > This Edward Galland, deacon in the C of E, was a brother of the second wife:
> > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Biographical_Register_of_St_John_s_Col/jhsIycOY6N8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=galland
> > > > > Possibly of interest ...
> > > > >
> > > > > Overton, Hampshire
> > > > >
> > > > > --Thomas Mayhew & Margery Palmer [married] ... Mar. 1644
> > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers/McMUAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22margery+palmer%22+mahew&pg=PA74&printsec=frontcover
> > > > I should point of that it's clear that Thomas Windebank, d. 1607, clerk of the Signet had another wife (ie., a later wife) than Frances Dymmoke. This was a certain Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq.
> > > >
> > > > See the letter below in which Mary Windebank writes to her husband Thomas in mid-1600, mentioning the impending marriage of "your daughter Mildred" to Mr. Reade's son. (Mary apparently did not get along with the Reades and asked her husband to house her separately during the wedding festivities, during which the Reades would descend upon their property at Haynes Hill).
> > > >
> > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_State_Papers/wII9AAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22mary+windebank%22&pg=PA440&printsec=frontcover
> > > >
> > > > Mary Windebank's identity is shown in List & Index Society, vol. 253 [Calendar of Chancery Decree Rolls, C 78/46-85, published 1994], in entry C 78/69/12:
> > > >
> > > > "13 June 34 Eliz ...... Thomas Windebank, clerk of the signet and wife Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq v[ersus] Sir Thomas Fludde, Lyving Bufkyn [sic], Michael Berysforde, Thomas Turney and Robert Moyle, esqs [. . . ] Lease of a messuage, tenement and brewhouse called the Vyne and other premises in St. Saviour, Southwark, Surrey."
> > > >
> > > > Is it possible that Thomas Windebank had younger children by Mary (____) Hunte?
> > > http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/C78/C78no69.pdf
> > 1596 letter of Mrs. Mary Windebank to Cecil to "be a means" to Mr. Windebank that he will send his difficult married daughter [apparently Anne Windebank, already married to another son of Mr. Reade] home so that she may have some peace; or to allow her to take the goods she brought to the marriage and depart.
> >
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_the_Manuscripts_of_the_Most/CvlVAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=thos+wyndebancke&pg=RA1-PA400&printsec=frontcover
> The 20 Oct. 1587 will of Edward Hunt of Saint Saviour's, Southwark, co. Surrey (proved 31 Oct. 1587) could be germane, as that was the parish mentioned in the Windebank chancery decree item of 1592:
>
> "I Edward Hunt of the parishe churche of Sainte Savyors in Southwarke in the County of Surrey, Esquier ..."
>
> --brother Ffrancis Hunt ten pounds
> --brother's wife Mary, ten pounds
> --their two children, ten pounds (five pounds a piece)
> --Mris White, my Mother in Lawe, seven pounds
> --Father White, best nag
> --Uncle Hunt, forgiven 20 s.
> --my man Ellis
> --my man John
> --"All the Rest of my Lands moveables and goods and howsehold stuff I give and bequeathe unto Marye my wellbeloved and most deerest wyfe for whome I aske at gods hands that he willgoe before her in all her wayes by direction constitucon and stayednes of lyfe, and that of his lyke mercye he wilbe gratious and favourable unto the yssue wherewith her bodye is nowe possessed whiche saide Marye I Doe make and ordayne my sole trusty and onely executrix of this my Last will and testament ..."
> --my cousin John White of Offam, gent., overseer
> --unborn child to have third part at twenty one years or marriage
> --William Scrase five pounds
> --Witnesses = John White (the writer), Edmond Ellis, John ffidge [mark]

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 2:55:30 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:14:56 AM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 11:47:49 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
> > > On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 8:24:03 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
> > > > On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 6:09:21 PM UTC-4, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 10:19:45 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 8:03:44 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:47:15 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:55:42 AM UTC-5, ravinma....@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:23:25 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I'll stress heavily that I think this probably does not actually connect to the Mayhews of Martha's Vineyard.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Banks's _History of Martha's Vineyard_ mentions in passing that there was a "Thomas Mayhowe" baptized August 1617 at St. Martin's in the Fields, London, and that "[t]he will of Mildred Reade of Linkenhurst, Co. Hants, widow, dated Aug. 15, 1630, mentions her nephew "Thomas Mayhew the younger."
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002001112078&view=1up&seq=127&skin=2021&q1=mildred
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The place name is given wrongly; Linkenhurst should be "Linkenholt" ... this is actually Mildred (Windebank) Reade, an ancestor of President George Washington.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The will of Mildred is on the web and states: "I bequeath to my nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger, one cow and six ewes." Also .... "In witness whereof I have to these present set my hand and seale this 15 August in the sixth year of the reign of Our Sovereign Lord Charles etc A.D. 1630 in the presence of Henry Reade and Thomas Mayhew."
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > This could be taken to possibly indicate an underage nephew "Mayhew the younger," with his father, also named Thomas Mayhew, as a witness.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.thehennesseefamily.com/getperson.php?personID=I35805&tree=hennessee
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Or, I suppose, "nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger" could also be the same witness.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > A very long account of the Reade family of Faccombe, Hampshire, is given here:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/VapOAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22andrew+hanwell%22&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Notice particularly the one paragraph which reads:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "Robert Read, the second son, is mentioned in the will of his grandfather. There are also mentioned Margaret, Mildred (who married Thomas Mahew, of county Suffolk), and Anne, named after her grandmother, who married John Helyar, of Hasborne."
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/vYE3AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22godson+andrew+hanwell%22+mildred+mahew&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The rambling narratives makes it a little hard to place Mildred (? Reade) Mahew "of Suffolk," but at least seems to indicate she was a Reade, not a Windebank.
> > > > > > > > > > The imposing website "DESCENDANTS OF EDWARD III: A Continuation of the Marquis de Ruvigny's The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal" gives the daughter of Henry Reade and Anne Windebank as:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 5k. Mildred READE, bap. 1596 Feb 8; married 1624 Feb 15, Richard BLAKE and/or Thomas MAHEW of Suffolk.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The date is wrong and should be 15 Feb. 1621/2, as the parish register of Linkenholt shows:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Richard Blake, gent., & Mildred Read of Faccomb
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers_Stoke_Charity/VgUVAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22richard+blake%22+mildred&pg=PA80&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I suppose it's possible Mr. Blake died soon after and Mildred remarried to Mahew the younger, or had her own son Mahew the younger before the date of Mildred (Windebank) Reade's will.
> > > > > > > > > https://www.angelfire.com/realm3/ruvignyplus/index.html
> > > > > > > > My own descent from Mayhew is via a second wife of Thomas Mayhew, Sr., the agent of Craddock in New England, the son being a minister and translator/ teacher of the native language. The second wife's parents were Edward Galland, vintner and innkeeper of Wantage, by a wife Agnes, shown as "Agnes Wilmot" in their marriage record ca. 1600. However, as I have pointed out, Oxford Surveys published ca. 1960 seems to indicate that one Oxford dweller, William Spenser, of the same period, had property there that descended to his daughter Agnes Galland. Snippets I can read state:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "It had been once of Will. Spenser, then of Agnes Galland his daughter; Chillingworth had bought it of Edward Galland ..."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [two pages earlier] "VII. 500. 12 Jac. 1 to Edward Galland of Wantage vintner; 40 years."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22galland%20his%20daughter%22
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&dq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It's possible that Agnes Spenser was the mother of Edward Galland, or that "Agnes Wilmot" married 1600 was nee Spenser.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The property may be this one in St. Martin, Oxford, the subject of a James I era indenture involving Arthur Lake, DD., and "Edward Galland" for forty years.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Charters_and_Rolls_Preserved/DOL1whHHEdAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=oxford+%22edward+galland%22&pg=PA284&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > > > This Edward Galland, deacon in the C of E, was a brother of the second wife:
> > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Biographical_Register_of_St_John_s_Col/jhsIycOY6N8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=galland
> > > > > > Possibly of interest ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Overton, Hampshire
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --Thomas Mayhew & Margery Palmer [married] ... Mar. 1644
> > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers/McMUAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22margery+palmer%22+mahew&pg=PA74&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > I should point of that it's clear that Thomas Windebank, d. 1607, clerk of the Signet had another wife (ie., a later wife) than Frances Dymmoke. This was a certain Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq.
> > > > >
> > > > > See the letter below in which Mary Windebank writes to her husband Thomas in mid-1600, mentioning the impending marriage of "your daughter Mildred" to Mr. Reade's son. (Mary apparently did not get along with the Reades and asked her husband to house her separately during the wedding festivities, during which the Reades would descend upon their property at Haynes Hill).
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_State_Papers/wII9AAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22mary+windebank%22&pg=PA440&printsec=frontcover
> > > > >
> > > > > Mary Windebank's identity is shown in List & Index Society, vol. 253 [Calendar of Chancery Decree Rolls, C 78/46-85, published 1994], in entry C 78/69/12:
> > > > >
> > > > > "13 June 34 Eliz ...... Thomas Windebank, clerk of the signet and wife Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq v[ersus] Sir Thomas Fludde, Lyving Bufkyn [sic], Michael Berysforde, Thomas Turney and Robert Moyle, esqs [. . .. ] Lease of a messuage, tenement and brewhouse called the Vyne and other premises in St. Saviour, Southwark, Surrey."
> > > > >
> > > > > Is it possible that Thomas Windebank had younger children by Mary (____) Hunte?
> > > > http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/C78/C78no69.pdf
> > > 1596 letter of Mrs. Mary Windebank to Cecil to "be a means" to Mr. Windebank that he will send his difficult married daughter [apparently Anne Windebank, already married to another son of Mr. Reade] home so that she may have some peace; or to allow her to take the goods she brought to the marriage and depart.
> > >
> > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_the_Manuscripts_of_the_Most/CvlVAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=thos+wyndebancke&pg=RA1-PA400&printsec=frontcover
> > The 20 Oct. 1587 will of Edward Hunt of Saint Saviour's, Southwark, co. Surrey (proved 31 Oct. 1587) could be germane, as that was the parish mentioned in the Windebank chancery decree item of 1592:
> >
> > "I Edward Hunt of the parishe churche of Sainte Savyors in Southwarke in the County of Surrey, Esquier ..."
> >
> > --brother Ffrancis Hunt ten pounds
> > --brother's wife Mary, ten pounds
> > --their two children, ten pounds (five pounds a piece)
> > --Mris White, my Mother in Lawe, seven pounds
> > --Father White, best nag
> > --Uncle Hunt, forgiven 20 s.
> > --my man Ellis
> > --my man John
> > --"All the Rest of my Lands moveables and goods and howsehold stuff I give and bequeathe unto Marye my wellbeloved and most deerest wyfe for whome I aske at gods hands that he willgoe before her in all her wayes by direction constitucon and stayednes of lyfe, and that of his lyke mercye he wilbe gratious and favourable unto the yssue wherewith her bodye is nowe possessed whiche saide Marye I Doe make and ordayne my sole trusty and onely executrix of this my Last will and testament ..."
> > --my cousin John White of Offam, gent., overseer
> > --unborn child to have third part at twenty one years or marriage
> > --William Scrase five pounds
> > --Witnesses = John White (the writer), Edmond Ellis, John ffidge [mark]
> This marriage probably applies:
>
> Edward Hunte
> Principal
> England Marriages, 1538–1973
>
> Marriage 25 February 1583
> Shoreham, Kent, England, United Kingdom
>
> Spouses: Mary Morrice
>
> I draw this conclusion because of the 28 Sept. 1590 (/ proved 10 Nov. 1591) will of John White of Otham [not Offam], Kent, gent., which is very brief but mentions an earlier will "wherein my late Wife and son Morrice were executors." Debts and legacies are "sett Downe in a note lefte with my executors." Executors are Sir Thomas Fludde, Leven Bufkin, Michael Basford [i.e., Beresford], Thomas Torny, and Robert Moyle [in other words, the opposing parties in the Chancery Decree of 1592]. Witnesses Edward Hewes, Thomas Smyth, John Jerrode, Thomas Crowe.
>
> My interpretation is that Mary Morrice was the stepdaughter of John White, whose wife ["Mris White"] perhaps had a daughter and son Morrice by an earlier marriage. Or perhaps Mary was the widow of the son Morrice?

On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 12:35:05 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 2:55:30 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:14:56 AM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 11:47:49 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
> > > > On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 8:24:03 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 6:09:21 PM UTC-4, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 10:19:45 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 8:03:44 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:47:15 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:55:42 AM UTC-5, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:23:25 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > I'll stress heavily that I think this probably does not actually connect to the Mayhews of Martha's Vineyard.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Banks's _History of Martha's Vineyard_ mentions in passing that there was a "Thomas Mayhowe" baptized August 1617 at St. Martin's in the Fields, London, and that "[t]he will of Mildred Reade of Linkenhurst, Co. Hants, widow, dated Aug. 15, 1630, mentions her nephew "Thomas Mayhew the younger."
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002001112078&view=1up&seq=127&skin=2021&q1=mildred
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The place name is given wrongly; Linkenhurst should be "Linkenholt" ... this is actually Mildred (Windebank) Reade, an ancestor of President George Washington.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The will of Mildred is on the web and states: "I bequeath to my nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger, one cow and six ewes." Also .... "In witness whereof I have to these present set my hand and seale this 15 August in the sixth year of the reign of Our Sovereign Lord Charles etc A.D. 1630 in the presence of Henry Reade and Thomas Mayhew."
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > This could be taken to possibly indicate an underage nephew "Mayhew the younger," with his father, also named Thomas Mayhew, as a witness.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.thehennesseefamily.com/getperson.php?personID=I35805&tree=hennessee
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Or, I suppose, "nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger" could also be the same witness.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > A very long account of the Reade family of Faccombe, Hampshire, is given here:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/VapOAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22andrew+hanwell%22&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Notice particularly the one paragraph which reads:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Robert Read, the second son, is mentioned in the will of his grandfather. There are also mentioned Margaret, Mildred (who married Thomas Mahew, of county Suffolk), and Anne, named after her grandmother, who married John Helyar, of Hasborne."
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/vYE3AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22godson+andrew+hanwell%22+mildred+mahew&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The rambling narratives makes it a little hard to place Mildred (? Reade) Mahew "of Suffolk," but at least seems to indicate she was a Reade, not a Windebank.
> > > > > > > > > > > The imposing website "DESCENDANTS OF EDWARD III: A Continuation of the Marquis de Ruvigny's The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal" gives the daughter of Henry Reade and Anne Windebank as:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 5k. Mildred READE, bap. 1596 Feb 8; married 1624 Feb 15, Richard BLAKE and/or Thomas MAHEW of Suffolk.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The date is wrong and should be 15 Feb. 1621/2, as the parish register of Linkenholt shows:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Richard Blake, gent., & Mildred Read of Faccomb
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers_Stoke_Charity/VgUVAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22richard+blake%22+mildred&pg=PA80&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I suppose it's possible Mr. Blake died soon after and Mildred remarried to Mahew the younger, or had her own son Mahew the younger before the date of Mildred (Windebank) Reade's will.
> > > > > > > > > > https://www.angelfire.com/realm3/ruvignyplus/index.html
> > > > > > > > > My own descent from Mayhew is via a second wife of Thomas Mayhew, Sr., the agent of Craddock in New England, the son being a minister and translator/ teacher of the native language. The second wife's parents were Edward Galland, vintner and innkeeper of Wantage, by a wife Agnes, shown as "Agnes Wilmot" in their marriage record ca. 1600. However, as I have pointed out, Oxford Surveys published ca. 1960 seems to indicate that one Oxford dweller, William Spenser, of the same period, had property there that descended to his daughter Agnes Galland. Snippets I can read state:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "It had been once of Will. Spenser, then of Agnes Galland his daughter; Chillingworth had bought it of Edward Galland ..."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > [two pages earlier] "VII. 500. 12 Jac. 1 to Edward Galland of Wantage vintner; 40 years."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22galland%20his%20daughter%22
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&dq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It's possible that Agnes Spenser was the mother of Edward Galland, or that "Agnes Wilmot" married 1600 was nee Spenser.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The property may be this one in St. Martin, Oxford, the subject of a James I era indenture involving Arthur Lake, DD., and "Edward Galland" for forty years.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Charters_and_Rolls_Preserved/DOL1whHHEdAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=oxford+%22edward+galland%22&pg=PA284&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > > > > This Edward Galland, deacon in the C of E, was a brother of the second wife:
> > > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Biographical_Register_of_St_John_s_Col/jhsIycOY6N8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=galland
> > > > > > > Possibly of interest ...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Overton, Hampshire
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --Thomas Mayhew & Margery Palmer [married] ... Mar. 1644
> > > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers/McMUAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22margery+palmer%22+mahew&pg=PA74&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > > I should point of that it's clear that Thomas Windebank, d. 1607, clerk of the Signet had another wife (ie., a later wife) than Frances Dymmoke. This was a certain Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > See the letter below in which Mary Windebank writes to her husband Thomas in mid-1600, mentioning the impending marriage of "your daughter Mildred" to Mr. Reade's son. (Mary apparently did not get along with the Reades and asked her husband to house her separately during the wedding festivities, during which the Reades would descend upon their property at Haynes Hill).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_State_Papers/wII9AAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22mary+windebank%22&pg=PA440&printsec=frontcover
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mary Windebank's identity is shown in List & Index Society, vol.. 253 [Calendar of Chancery Decree Rolls, C 78/46-85, published 1994], in entry C 78/69/12:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "13 June 34 Eliz ...... Thomas Windebank, clerk of the signet and wife Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq v[ersus] Sir Thomas Fludde, Lyving Bufkyn [sic], Michael Berysforde, Thomas Turney and Robert Moyle, esqs [. .. . ] Lease of a messuage, tenement and brewhouse called the Vyne and other premises in St. Saviour, Southwark, Surrey."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is it possible that Thomas Windebank had younger children by Mary (____) Hunte?
> > > > > http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/C78/C78no69.pdf
> > > > 1596 letter of Mrs. Mary Windebank to Cecil to "be a means" to Mr. Windebank that he will send his difficult married daughter [apparently Anne Windebank, already married to another son of Mr. Reade] home so that she may have some peace; or to allow her to take the goods she brought to the marriage and depart.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_the_Manuscripts_of_the_Most/CvlVAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=thos+wyndebancke&pg=RA1-PA400&printsec=frontcover
> > > The 20 Oct. 1587 will of Edward Hunt of Saint Saviour's, Southwark, co. Surrey (proved 31 Oct. 1587) could be germane, as that was the parish mentioned in the Windebank chancery decree item of 1592:
> > >
> > > "I Edward Hunt of the parishe churche of Sainte Savyors in Southwarke in the County of Surrey, Esquier ..."
> > >
> > > --brother Ffrancis Hunt ten pounds
> > > --brother's wife Mary, ten pounds
> > > --their two children, ten pounds (five pounds a piece)
> > > --Mris White, my Mother in Lawe, seven pounds
> > > --Father White, best nag
> > > --Uncle Hunt, forgiven 20 s.
> > > --my man Ellis
> > > --my man John
> > > --"All the Rest of my Lands moveables and goods and howsehold stuff I give and bequeathe unto Marye my wellbeloved and most deerest wyfe for whome I aske at gods hands that he willgoe before her in all her wayes by direction constitucon and stayednes of lyfe, and that of his lyke mercye he wilbe gratious and favourable unto the yssue wherewith her bodye is nowe possessed whiche saide Marye I Doe make and ordayne my sole trusty and onely executrix of this my Last will and testament ..."
> > > --my cousin John White of Offam, gent., overseer
> > > --unborn child to have third part at twenty one years or marriage
> > > --William Scrase five pounds
> > > --Witnesses = John White (the writer), Edmond Ellis, John ffidge [mark]
> > This marriage probably applies:
> >
> > Edward Hunte
> > Principal
> > England Marriages, 1538–1973
> >
> > Marriage 25 February 1583
> > Shoreham, Kent, England, United Kingdom
> >
> > Spouses: Mary Morrice
> >
> > I draw this conclusion because of the 28 Sept. 1590 (/ proved 10 Nov. 1591) will of John White of Otham [not Offam], Kent, gent., which is very brief but mentions an earlier will "wherein my late Wife and son Morrice were executors." Debts and legacies are "sett Downe in a note lefte with my executors." Executors are Sir Thomas Fludde, Leven Bufkin, Michael Basford [i.e., Beresford], Thomas Torny, and Robert Moyle [in other words, the opposing parties in the Chancery Decree of 1592]. Witnesses Edward Hewes, Thomas Smyth, John Jerrode, Thomas Crowe.
> >
> > My interpretation is that Mary Morrice was the stepdaughter of John White, whose wife ["Mris White"] perhaps had a daughter and son Morrice by an earlier marriage. Or perhaps Mary was the widow of the son Morrice?
> "A Mr. Mayhew, with the support of Secretary Windebank and Attorney General Bankes, was about to receive the right to operate this business, thus threatening the petitioners’ very livelihood."
>
> "Why was Thomas Mayhew favoured in 1636 over the petitioners? That he received the backing of Secretary Windebank, a high ranking official, was clearly important. A possible explanation for this support is a family connection, of which the petitioners may not have been aware. A Mildred Reade is recorded as sister to a Francis Windebank. A Thomas Mayhew is her nephew and so Windebank’s nephew also. This Mayhew was sufficiently well thought of in 1630 to receive a bequest in Mildred Reade’s will.[25] It is likely that this is the same Thomas Mayhew, cashing in on the patronage of a well-placed uncle, who in 1636 ousted the petitioners from their role."
>
> https://petitioning.history.ac.uk/investigating-petitioners/1636-milicent-birkenhead-and-edward-thoroughgood-seek-to-profit-from-issuing-passports/

On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 3:56:18 PM UTC-4, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
....
> > "A Mr. Mayhew, with the support of Secretary Windebank and Attorney General Bankes, was about to receive the right to operate this business, thus threatening the petitioners’ very livelihood."
> >
> > "Why was Thomas Mayhew favoured in 1636 over the petitioners? That he received the backing of Secretary Windebank, a high ranking official, was clearly important. A possible explanation for this support is a family connection, of which the petitioners may not have been aware. A Mildred Reade is recorded as sister to a Francis Windebank. A Thomas Mayhew is her nephew and so Windebank’s nephew also. This Mayhew was sufficiently well thought of in 1630 to receive a bequest in Mildred Reade’s will.[25] It is likely that this is the same Thomas Mayhew, cashing in on the patronage of a well-placed uncle, who in 1636 ousted the petitioners from their role."
> >
> > https://petitioning.history.ac.uk/investigating-petitioners/1636-milicent-birkenhead-and-edward-thoroughgood-seek-to-profit-from-issuing-passports/
> Jan Broadway, Richard Cust, Stephen K. Roberts, ed., _A Calendar of the Docquets of Lord Keeper Coventry, 1625-1640_, 4 vols., (Lists & INdex Society, 2004), 1:178:
>
> date: 25/05/1630
> Ref: 603183/97 Erecting office of clerk for the writing & entering of licences & passes to be granted by any commissioners to any persons going out of this realm from the ports of Bristol, Beaumaris, Chester & Liverpool. Office is granted to Patrick Crawford & Mathew Birkenhead gents. during life with a fee of 6d. from every passenger. They are to certify their book of licences into the Exchequer annually. Endorsed on reverse: not passed.
>
> 1:197:
>
> date: 10/05/1636
> Ref: 603183/440 Thomas Mayhew gent. granted office of clerk of the passes in the outports for 21 years from expiry of 21 years granted to William Simsby 22 March 17 James I & of clerk of the passes in London. Endorsed: by Mayhew 'I am content & do promise to abide the order & direction of my lord keeper [i.e., Coventry] to be set between me & others pretenders to this office & abide such direction as he shall think just & fitting therein'. Enc.

Do you infer from this record that the Thomas Mayhew granted the offices of the passes in 1636 is not the same man as the Thomas Mayhew (b. 1593) who was in Massachusetts at this time? And also not his son Thomas who was a teenager at this time? And that therefore the bequest to a nephew Thomas Mayhew reported above does not supply a clue concerning the identity of the first wife of Thomas Mayhew (b. 1593)?

On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 11:59:27 AM UTC-4, Jan Wolfe wrote:
> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 3:56:18 PM UTC-4, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
> ...
> > > "A Mr. Mayhew, with the support of Secretary Windebank and Attorney General Bankes, was about to receive the right to operate this business, thus threatening the petitioners’ very livelihood."
> > >
> > > "Why was Thomas Mayhew favoured in 1636 over the petitioners? That he received the backing of Secretary Windebank, a high ranking official, was clearly important. A possible explanation for this support is a family connection, of which the petitioners may not have been aware. A Mildred Reade is recorded as sister to a Francis Windebank. A Thomas Mayhew is her nephew and so Windebank’s nephew also. This Mayhew was sufficiently well thought of in 1630 to receive a bequest in Mildred Reade’s will.[25] It is likely that this is the same Thomas Mayhew, cashing in on the patronage of a well-placed uncle, who in 1636 ousted the petitioners from their role."
> > >
> > > https://petitioning.history.ac.uk/investigating-petitioners/1636-milicent-birkenhead-and-edward-thoroughgood-seek-to-profit-from-issuing-passports/
> > Jan Broadway, Richard Cust, Stephen K. Roberts, ed., _A Calendar of the Docquets of Lord Keeper Coventry, 1625-1640_, 4 vols., (Lists & INdex Society, 2004), 1:178:
> >
> > date: 25/05/1630
> > Ref: 603183/97 Erecting office of clerk for the writing & entering of licences & passes to be granted by any commissioners to any persons going out of this realm from the ports of Bristol, Beaumaris, Chester & Liverpool. Office is granted to Patrick Crawford & Mathew Birkenhead gents. during life with a fee of 6d. from every passenger. They are to certify their book of licences into the Exchequer annually. Endorsed on reverse: not passed.
> >
> > 1:197:
> >
> > date: 10/05/1636
> > Ref: 603183/440 Thomas Mayhew gent. granted office of clerk of the passes in the outports for 21 years from expiry of 21 years granted to William Simsby 22 March 17 James I & of clerk of the passes in London. Endorsed: by Mayhew 'I am content & do promise to abide the order & direction of my lord keeper [i.e., Coventry] to be set between me & others pretenders to this office & abide such direction as he shall think just & fitting therein'. Enc.
> Do you infer from this record that the Thomas Mayhew granted the offices of the passes in 1636 is not the same man as the Thomas Mayhew (b. 1593) who was in Massachusetts at this time? And also not his son Thomas who was a teenager at this time? And that therefore the bequest to a nephew Thomas Mayhew reported above does not supply a clue concerning the identity of the first wife of Thomas Mayhew (b. 1593)?

Hi Jan,

I think it could be _possible_ that the grant of this office was to the New England Thomas Mayhew (though probably to the father, not to the son). Therefore the father is the one who _may_ have been married (first) to a Windebank daughter and could be a brother-in-law, not nephew, of Francis Windebank. Still, the grant could have been ultimately for the benefit of the son, Thomas Junior.

I have been through some of the years of the contemporary _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ and noted two mentions (at least) of Thomas Mayhew, clerk of passes or passports. Around 1640, Thomas Mayhew wrote to Windebank that his deputy in the office was not passing along the profits to him. Around 1660, Thomas Mayhew wrote to indicate that a new royal decree forbidding voyages without a passport would possibly aid him in his duties.

There may be other references. If someone wants to hunt them down and post them, that would be much appreciated. Otherwise, I'll check the stacks again on Monday and do a more systematic search.

The 1640 reference indicates Thomas Mayhew was doing his duties (at least partially) through a deputy.

The senior Thomas Mayhew, Governor of Martha's Vineyard, was still living in 1660, not dying until sometime in the early 1680s, I believe. The son had died on a return voyage to England in 1657.

On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 2:00:11 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
....
> Hi Jan,
>
> I think it could be _possible_ that the grant of this office was to the New England Thomas Mayhew (though probably to the father, not to the son). Therefore the father is the one who _may_ have been married (first) to a Windebank daughter and could be a brother-in-law, not nephew, of Francis Windebank. Still, the grant could have been ultimately for the benefit of the son, Thomas Junior.
>
> I have been through some of the years of the contemporary _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ and noted two mentions (at least) of Thomas Mayhew, clerk of passes or passports. Around 1640, Thomas Mayhew wrote to Windebank that his deputy in the office was not passing along the profits to him. Around 1660, Thomas Mayhew wrote to indicate that a new royal decree forbidding voyages without a passport would possibly aid him in his duties.
>
> There may be other references. If someone wants to hunt them down and post them, that would be much appreciated. Otherwise, I'll check the stacks again on Monday and do a more systematic search.
>
> The 1640 reference indicates Thomas Mayhew was doing his duties (at least partially) through a deputy.
>
> The senior Thomas Mayhew, Governor of Martha's Vineyard, was still living in 1660, not dying until sometime in the early 1680s, I believe. The son had died on a return voyage to England in 1657.

I notice that the grant of the office was made in 1636, but the office was to commence at the expiration of the grant for 21 years made to the current holder on 22 March 17 James I. Thus the revenue stream from the office would commence about the time that Thomas Mayhew Junior came of age.

Some of the volumes of _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ are "full view" on Hathi. The following entry dated 14 November 1650 may be relevant to your interpretation:
"Order on the matter touching - Mayhew - senior and junior, and - Ball, Excise officers at Oxford, and the proofs returned in support of the information formerly given against them, that the papers concerning that business be transmitted to the Commissioners of Excise in London, who are to consider the representations touching those under officers, and take such order as is agreeable to their trust, and for the service of the commonwealth, the cause as to those parties settling or removing being proper for their cognizance; also the Commissioners for sequestrations in the said county are to take knowledge of the informations against these men, so far as concerns sequestration and delinquency, and proceed therein according to the directions of Parliament." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002..001&view=1up&seq=480)

Earlier in the year (July 24), "The petition of Rich. Bull and Thos. Mayhew; [was] referred to the committee for Examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=302)

A recognizance (dated August 10) for Rich. Bull and Thomas Mayhew, junior, residence Aldgate, co. Oxon, was issued with the condition, "Appearance when required before Lieut. Col. Kelsey, Deputy Governor of Oxon, and others, and good behavior." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=570)

On November 7, "The examinations against - Mayhew; [were] referred to the Committee for examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=470)

On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 11:27:15 PM UTC-4, Jan Wolfe wrote:
> On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 2:00:11 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
> ...
> > Hi Jan,
> >
> > I think it could be _possible_ that the grant of this office was to the New England Thomas Mayhew (though probably to the father, not to the son). Therefore the father is the one who _may_ have been married (first) to a Windebank daughter and could be a brother-in-law, not nephew, of Francis Windebank. Still, the grant could have been ultimately for the benefit of the son, Thomas Junior.
> >
> > I have been through some of the years of the contemporary _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ and noted two mentions (at least) of Thomas Mayhew, clerk of passes or passports. Around 1640, Thomas Mayhew wrote to Windebank that his deputy in the office was not passing along the profits to him. Around 1660, Thomas Mayhew wrote to indicate that a new royal decree forbidding voyages without a passport would possibly aid him in his duties.
> >
> > There may be other references. If someone wants to hunt them down and post them, that would be much appreciated. Otherwise, I'll check the stacks again on Monday and do a more systematic search.
> >
> > The 1640 reference indicates Thomas Mayhew was doing his duties (at least partially) through a deputy.
> >
> > The senior Thomas Mayhew, Governor of Martha's Vineyard, was still living in 1660, not dying until sometime in the early 1680s, I believe. The son had died on a return voyage to England in 1657.
> I notice that the grant of the office was made in 1636, but the office was to commence at the expiration of the grant for 21 years made to the current holder on 22 March 17 James I. Thus the revenue stream from the office would commence about the time that Thomas Mayhew Junior came of age.
>
> Some of the volumes of _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ are "full view" on Hathi. The following entry dated 14 November 1650 may be relevant to your interpretation:
> "Order on the matter touching - Mayhew - senior and junior, and - Ball, Excise officers at Oxford, and the proofs returned in support of the information formerly given against them, that the papers concerning that business be transmitted to the Commissioners of Excise in London, who are to consider the representations touching those under officers, and take such order as is agreeable to their trust, and for the service of the commonwealth, the cause as to those parties settling or removing being proper for their cognizance; also the Commissioners for sequestrations in the said county are to take knowledge of the informations against these men, so far as concerns sequestration and delinquency, and proceed therein according to the directions of Parliament." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=480)
>
> Earlier in the year (July 24), "The petition of Rich. Bull and Thos. Mayhew; [was] referred to the committee for Examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=302)
>
> A recognizance (dated August 10) for Rich. Bull and Thomas Mayhew, junior, residence Aldgate, co. Oxon, was issued with the condition, "Appearance when required before Lieut. Col. Kelsey, Deputy Governor of Oxon, and others, and good behavior." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=570)
>
> On November 7, "The examinations against - Mayhew; [were] referred to the Committee for examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=470)

Interesting. I went through the rest of these State Papers for the Interregnum period, only finding that in 1649 Thomas Mayhew petitioned for clerk of passes at Dover.

I don't find any other references to the two Mayhews being involved with the excise, nor Richard Ball/ Bull, either, for that matter (I also checked the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, which only begin in 1660, unfortunately [excise matters are often dealt with in detail in those vols]). There are a couple references to a Richard Bull having served in the Navy for long years. The naval matters calendared during the Interregnum leave much to be desired as far as completeness (they are all those wretched brief vertical entries packed for hundreds of pages at the back of each volume).

The other reference I mentioned around 1660 occurs in the series for Charles II:

[1660. Nov.?] 179. Thomas Mayhew. For a warrant for a Proclamation to forbid passing beyond seas without licence, in order to the better performance of his office of clerk of the passage for granting such licences, and keeping a registry thereof.

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001326098&view=1up&seq=429&skin=2021&q1=mayhew

While this looks like some sort of directive addressed TO Thomas Mayhew, the index indicates it is actually a petition FROM him. (I suppose he is not identical to the Thomas "Matthew" mentioned on the same page as having been a prisoner in the Tower.)

I suppose it is possible the two New England Thomas Mayhews were briefly in England in 1650. Certainly, the second wife of Thomas Mayhew had been in England around 1642 "to settle her son's rights" (i.e., her son by the first husband, Thomas Paine).

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark:/13960/t2q53t34x&view=1up&seq=183&skin=2021&q1=%22mayhew%20was%20in%20england%22

On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 11:39:11 AM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 11:27:15 PM UTC-4, Jan Wolfe wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 2:00:11 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
> > ...
> > > Hi Jan,
> > >
> > > I think it could be _possible_ that the grant of this office was to the New England Thomas Mayhew (though probably to the father, not to the son). Therefore the father is the one who _may_ have been married (first) to a Windebank daughter and could be a brother-in-law, not nephew, of Francis Windebank. Still, the grant could have been ultimately for the benefit of the son, Thomas Junior.
> > >
> > > I have been through some of the years of the contemporary _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ and noted two mentions (at least) of Thomas Mayhew, clerk of passes or passports. Around 1640, Thomas Mayhew wrote to Windebank that his deputy in the office was not passing along the profits to him. Around 1660, Thomas Mayhew wrote to indicate that a new royal decree forbidding voyages without a passport would possibly aid him in his duties.
> > >
> > > There may be other references. If someone wants to hunt them down and post them, that would be much appreciated. Otherwise, I'll check the stacks again on Monday and do a more systematic search.
> > >
> > > The 1640 reference indicates Thomas Mayhew was doing his duties (at least partially) through a deputy.
> > >
> > > The senior Thomas Mayhew, Governor of Martha's Vineyard, was still living in 1660, not dying until sometime in the early 1680s, I believe. The son had died on a return voyage to England in 1657.
> > I notice that the grant of the office was made in 1636, but the office was to commence at the expiration of the grant for 21 years made to the current holder on 22 March 17 James I. Thus the revenue stream from the office would commence about the time that Thomas Mayhew Junior came of age.
> >
> > Some of the volumes of _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ are "full view" on Hathi. The following entry dated 14 November 1650 may be relevant to your interpretation:
> > "Order on the matter touching - Mayhew - senior and junior, and - Ball, Excise officers at Oxford, and the proofs returned in support of the information formerly given against them, that the papers concerning that business be transmitted to the Commissioners of Excise in London, who are to consider the representations touching those under officers, and take such order as is agreeable to their trust, and for the service of the commonwealth, the cause as to those parties settling or removing being proper for their cognizance; also the Commissioners for sequestrations in the said county are to take knowledge of the informations against these men, so far as concerns sequestration and delinquency, and proceed therein according to the directions of Parliament." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=480)
> >
> > Earlier in the year (July 24), "The petition of Rich. Bull and Thos. Mayhew; [was] referred to the committee for Examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=302)
> >
> > A recognizance (dated August 10) for Rich. Bull and Thomas Mayhew, junior, residence Aldgate, co. Oxon, was issued with the condition, "Appearance when required before Lieut. Col. Kelsey, Deputy Governor of Oxon, and others, and good behavior." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=570)
> >
> > On November 7, "The examinations against - Mayhew; [were] referred to the Committee for examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=470)
> Interesting. I went through the rest of these State Papers for the Interregnum period, only finding that in 1649 Thomas Mayhew petitioned for clerk of passes at Dover.
>
> I don't find any other references to the two Mayhews being involved with the excise, nor Richard Ball/ Bull, either, for that matter (I also checked the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, which only begin in 1660, unfortunately [excise matters are often dealt with in detail in those vols]). There are a couple references to a Richard Bull having served in the Navy for long years. The naval matters calendared during the Interregnum leave much to be desired as far as completeness (they are all those wretched brief vertical entries packed for hundreds of pages at the back of each volume).
>
> The other reference I mentioned around 1660 occurs in the series for Charles II:
>
> [1660. Nov.?] 179. Thomas Mayhew. For a warrant for a Proclamation to forbid passing beyond seas without licence, in order to the better performance of his office of clerk of the passage for granting such licences, and keeping a registry thereof.
>
> https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001326098&view=1up&seq=429&skin=2021&q1=mayhew
>
> While this looks like some sort of directive addressed TO Thomas Mayhew, the index indicates it is actually a petition FROM him. (I suppose he is not identical to the Thomas "Matthew" mentioned on the same page as having been a prisoner in the Tower.)
>
> I suppose it is possible the two New England Thomas Mayhews were briefly in England in 1650. Certainly, the second wife of Thomas Mayhew had been in England around 1642 "to settle her son's rights" (i.e., her son by the first husband, Thomas Paine).
>
> https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark:/13960/t2q53t34x&view=1up&seq=183&skin=2021&q1=%22mayhew%20was%20in%20england%22

I was wrong about the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, as an undated petition from HENRY Ball mentions losing the position of "clerk of the passes in all the ports" to "one Mayhew" ...

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22clerk+of+the+passes%22+mayhew&pg=PA1594&printsec=frontcover

Other mentions of Henry Ball from the 1670s ... Could he be the son of Richard "Ball" of 1650?

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22henry%20ball%22

On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:15:10 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 11:39:11 AM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 11:27:15 PM UTC-4, Jan Wolfe wrote:
> > > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 2:00:11 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
> > > ...
> > > > Hi Jan,
> > > >
> > > > I think it could be _possible_ that the grant of this office was to the New England Thomas Mayhew (though probably to the father, not to the son). Therefore the father is the one who _may_ have been married (first) to a Windebank daughter and could be a brother-in-law, not nephew, of Francis Windebank. Still, the grant could have been ultimately for the benefit of the son, Thomas Junior.
> > > >
> > > > I have been through some of the years of the contemporary _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ and noted two mentions (at least) of Thomas Mayhew, clerk of passes or passports. Around 1640, Thomas Mayhew wrote to Windebank that his deputy in the office was not passing along the profits to him. Around 1660, Thomas Mayhew wrote to indicate that a new royal decree forbidding voyages without a passport would possibly aid him in his duties.
> > > >
> > > > There may be other references. If someone wants to hunt them down and post them, that would be much appreciated. Otherwise, I'll check the stacks again on Monday and do a more systematic search.
> > > >
> > > > The 1640 reference indicates Thomas Mayhew was doing his duties (at least partially) through a deputy.
> > > >
> > > > The senior Thomas Mayhew, Governor of Martha's Vineyard, was still living in 1660, not dying until sometime in the early 1680s, I believe. The son had died on a return voyage to England in 1657.
> > > I notice that the grant of the office was made in 1636, but the office was to commence at the expiration of the grant for 21 years made to the current holder on 22 March 17 James I. Thus the revenue stream from the office would commence about the time that Thomas Mayhew Junior came of age.
> > >
> > > Some of the volumes of _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ are "full view" on Hathi. The following entry dated 14 November 1650 may be relevant to your interpretation:
> > > "Order on the matter touching - Mayhew - senior and junior, and - Ball, Excise officers at Oxford, and the proofs returned in support of the information formerly given against them, that the papers concerning that business be transmitted to the Commissioners of Excise in London, who are to consider the representations touching those under officers, and take such order as is agreeable to their trust, and for the service of the commonwealth, the cause as to those parties settling or removing being proper for their cognizance; also the Commissioners for sequestrations in the said county are to take knowledge of the informations against these men, so far as concerns sequestration and delinquency, and proceed therein according to the directions of Parliament." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=480)
> > >
> > > Earlier in the year (July 24), "The petition of Rich. Bull and Thos. Mayhew; [was] referred to the committee for Examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=302)
> > >
> > > A recognizance (dated August 10) for Rich. Bull and Thomas Mayhew, junior, residence Aldgate, co. Oxon, was issued with the condition, "Appearance when required before Lieut. Col. Kelsey, Deputy Governor of Oxon, and others, and good behavior." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=570)
> > >
> > > On November 7, "The examinations against - Mayhew; [were] referred to the Committee for examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=470)
> > Interesting. I went through the rest of these State Papers for the Interregnum period, only finding that in 1649 Thomas Mayhew petitioned for clerk of passes at Dover.
> >
> > I don't find any other references to the two Mayhews being involved with the excise, nor Richard Ball/ Bull, either, for that matter (I also checked the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, which only begin in 1660, unfortunately [excise matters are often dealt with in detail in those vols]). There are a couple references to a Richard Bull having served in the Navy for long years. The naval matters calendared during the Interregnum leave much to be desired as far as completeness (they are all those wretched brief vertical entries packed for hundreds of pages at the back of each volume).
> >
> > The other reference I mentioned around 1660 occurs in the series for Charles II:
> >
> > [1660. Nov.?] 179. Thomas Mayhew. For a warrant for a Proclamation to forbid passing beyond seas without licence, in order to the better performance of his office of clerk of the passage for granting such licences, and keeping a registry thereof.
> >
> > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001326098&view=1up&seq=429&skin=2021&q1=mayhew
> >
> > While this looks like some sort of directive addressed TO Thomas Mayhew, the index indicates it is actually a petition FROM him. (I suppose he is not identical to the Thomas "Matthew" mentioned on the same page as having been a prisoner in the Tower.)
> >
> > I suppose it is possible the two New England Thomas Mayhews were briefly in England in 1650. Certainly, the second wife of Thomas Mayhew had been in England around 1642 "to settle her son's rights" (i.e., her son by the first husband, Thomas Paine).
> >
> > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark:/13960/t2q53t34x&view=1up&seq=183&skin=2021&q1=%22mayhew%20was%20in%20england%22
> I was wrong about the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, as an undated petition from HENRY Ball mentions losing the position of "clerk of the passes in all the ports" to "one Mayhew" ...
>
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22clerk+of+the+passes%22+mayhew&pg=PA1594&printsec=frontcover
>
> Other mentions of Henry Ball from the 1670s ... Could he be the son of Richard "Ball" of 1650?
>
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22henry%20ball%22

This is germane and may show conclusively that the Martha's Vineyard people were _not_ involved:

[? 1670] Margery, widow of Thos. Mayhew, to Lord Arlington, for restoration to her of a patent granted to her late husband of the clerkship of passes, and left to her for maintenance; it is detained because John Trye, to whom it was left for 7 years, has been ordered to appear for some misconduct therein.

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951d005874813&view=1up&seq=632&skin=2021&q1=%22margery%20widow%22

I say "may show" because there is no record in New England of the Christian name of the younger Thomas Mayhew of Martha's Vineyard, though he was deceased by 1670. However, my theory had been that the father, Thomas Senior, was the one to whom the clerkship was granted; Thomas Mayhew Sen. was still alive in 1670 (and the Christian name of his second wife was Jane).

On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:25:48 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:15:10 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 11:39:11 AM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 11:27:15 PM UTC-4, Jan Wolfe wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 2:00:11 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
> > > > ...
> > > > > Hi Jan,
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it could be _possible_ that the grant of this office was to the New England Thomas Mayhew (though probably to the father, not to the son). Therefore the father is the one who _may_ have been married (first) to a Windebank daughter and could be a brother-in-law, not nephew, of Francis Windebank. Still, the grant could have been ultimately for the benefit of the son, Thomas Junior.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have been through some of the years of the contemporary _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ and noted two mentions (at least) of Thomas Mayhew, clerk of passes or passports. Around 1640, Thomas Mayhew wrote to Windebank that his deputy in the office was not passing along the profits to him. Around 1660, Thomas Mayhew wrote to indicate that a new royal decree forbidding voyages without a passport would possibly aid him in his duties.
> > > > >
> > > > > There may be other references. If someone wants to hunt them down and post them, that would be much appreciated. Otherwise, I'll check the stacks again on Monday and do a more systematic search.
> > > > >
> > > > > The 1640 reference indicates Thomas Mayhew was doing his duties (at least partially) through a deputy.
> > > > >
> > > > > The senior Thomas Mayhew, Governor of Martha's Vineyard, was still living in 1660, not dying until sometime in the early 1680s, I believe. The son had died on a return voyage to England in 1657.
> > > > I notice that the grant of the office was made in 1636, but the office was to commence at the expiration of the grant for 21 years made to the current holder on 22 March 17 James I. Thus the revenue stream from the office would commence about the time that Thomas Mayhew Junior came of age.
> > > >
> > > > Some of the volumes of _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ are "full view" on Hathi. The following entry dated 14 November 1650 may be relevant to your interpretation:
> > > > "Order on the matter touching - Mayhew - senior and junior, and - Ball, Excise officers at Oxford, and the proofs returned in support of the information formerly given against them, that the papers concerning that business be transmitted to the Commissioners of Excise in London, who are to consider the representations touching those under officers, and take such order as is agreeable to their trust, and for the service of the commonwealth, the cause as to those parties settling or removing being proper for their cognizance; also the Commissioners for sequestrations in the said county are to take knowledge of the informations against these men, so far as concerns sequestration and delinquency, and proceed therein according to the directions of Parliament." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=480)
> > > >
> > > > Earlier in the year (July 24), "The petition of Rich. Bull and Thos.. Mayhew; [was] referred to the committee for Examinations." (https://babel..hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=302)
> > > >
> > > > A recognizance (dated August 10) for Rich. Bull and Thomas Mayhew, junior, residence Aldgate, co. Oxon, was issued with the condition, "Appearance when required before Lieut. Col. Kelsey, Deputy Governor of Oxon, and others, and good behavior." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=570)
> > > >
> > > > On November 7, "The examinations against - Mayhew; [were] referred to the Committee for examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=470)
> > > Interesting. I went through the rest of these State Papers for the Interregnum period, only finding that in 1649 Thomas Mayhew petitioned for clerk of passes at Dover.
> > >
> > > I don't find any other references to the two Mayhews being involved with the excise, nor Richard Ball/ Bull, either, for that matter (I also checked the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, which only begin in 1660, unfortunately [excise matters are often dealt with in detail in those vols]). There are a couple references to a Richard Bull having served in the Navy for long years. The naval matters calendared during the Interregnum leave much to be desired as far as completeness (they are all those wretched brief vertical entries packed for hundreds of pages at the back of each volume).
> > >
> > > The other reference I mentioned around 1660 occurs in the series for Charles II:
> > >
> > > [1660. Nov.?] 179. Thomas Mayhew. For a warrant for a Proclamation to forbid passing beyond seas without licence, in order to the better performance of his office of clerk of the passage for granting such licences, and keeping a registry thereof.
> > >
> > > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001326098&view=1up&seq=429&skin=2021&q1=mayhew
> > >
> > > While this looks like some sort of directive addressed TO Thomas Mayhew, the index indicates it is actually a petition FROM him. (I suppose he is not identical to the Thomas "Matthew" mentioned on the same page as having been a prisoner in the Tower.)
> > >
> > > I suppose it is possible the two New England Thomas Mayhews were briefly in England in 1650. Certainly, the second wife of Thomas Mayhew had been in England around 1642 "to settle her son's rights" (i.e., her son by the first husband, Thomas Paine).
> > >
> > > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark:/13960/t2q53t34x&view=1up&seq=183&skin=2021&q1=%22mayhew%20was%20in%20england%22
> > I was wrong about the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, as an undated petition from HENRY Ball mentions losing the position of "clerk of the passes in all the ports" to "one Mayhew" ...
> >
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22clerk+of+the+passes%22+mayhew&pg=PA1594&printsec=frontcover
> >
> > Other mentions of Henry Ball from the 1670s ... Could he be the son of Richard "Ball" of 1650?
> >
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22henry%20ball%22
> This is germane and may show conclusively that the Martha's Vineyard people were _not_ involved:
>
> [? 1670] Margery, widow of Thos. Mayhew, to Lord Arlington, for restoration to her of a patent granted to her late husband of the clerkship of passes, and left to her for maintenance; it is detained because John Trye, to whom it was left for 7 years, has been ordered to appear for some misconduct therein.
>
> https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951d005874813&view=1up&seq=632&skin=2021&q1=%22margery%20widow%22
>
> I say "may show" because there is no record in New England of the Christian name of the younger Thomas Mayhew of Martha's Vineyard, though he was deceased by 1670. However, my theory had been that the father, Thomas Senior, was the one to whom the clerkship was granted; Thomas Mayhew Sen. was still alive in 1670 (and the Christian name of his second wife was Jane).

Errrckk. "... there is no record in New England of the Christian name of the WIFE of the younger Thomas Mayhew of Martha's Vineyard, though he was deceased by 1670"

On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:28:24 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:25:48 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:15:10 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 11:39:11 AM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 11:27:15 PM UTC-4, Jan Wolfe wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 2:00:11 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > Hi Jan,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think it could be _possible_ that the grant of this office was to the New England Thomas Mayhew (though probably to the father, not to the son). Therefore the father is the one who _may_ have been married (first) to a Windebank daughter and could be a brother-in-law, not nephew, of Francis Windebank. Still, the grant could have been ultimately for the benefit of the son, Thomas Junior.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have been through some of the years of the contemporary _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ and noted two mentions (at least) of Thomas Mayhew, clerk of passes or passports. Around 1640, Thomas Mayhew wrote to Windebank that his deputy in the office was not passing along the profits to him. Around 1660, Thomas Mayhew wrote to indicate that a new royal decree forbidding voyages without a passport would possibly aid him in his duties..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There may be other references. If someone wants to hunt them down and post them, that would be much appreciated. Otherwise, I'll check the stacks again on Monday and do a more systematic search.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The 1640 reference indicates Thomas Mayhew was doing his duties (at least partially) through a deputy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The senior Thomas Mayhew, Governor of Martha's Vineyard, was still living in 1660, not dying until sometime in the early 1680s, I believe. The son had died on a return voyage to England in 1657.
> > > > > I notice that the grant of the office was made in 1636, but the office was to commence at the expiration of the grant for 21 years made to the current holder on 22 March 17 James I. Thus the revenue stream from the office would commence about the time that Thomas Mayhew Junior came of age.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some of the volumes of _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ are "full view" on Hathi. The following entry dated 14 November 1650 may be relevant to your interpretation:
> > > > > "Order on the matter touching - Mayhew - senior and junior, and - Ball, Excise officers at Oxford, and the proofs returned in support of the information formerly given against them, that the papers concerning that business be transmitted to the Commissioners of Excise in London, who are to consider the representations touching those under officers, and take such order as is agreeable to their trust, and for the service of the commonwealth, the cause as to those parties settling or removing being proper for their cognizance; also the Commissioners for sequestrations in the said county are to take knowledge of the informations against these men, so far as concerns sequestration and delinquency, and proceed therein according to the directions of Parliament." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=480)
> > > > >
> > > > > Earlier in the year (July 24), "The petition of Rich. Bull and Thos. Mayhew; [was] referred to the committee for Examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=302)
> > > > >
> > > > > A recognizance (dated August 10) for Rich. Bull and Thomas Mayhew, junior, residence Aldgate, co. Oxon, was issued with the condition, "Appearance when required before Lieut. Col. Kelsey, Deputy Governor of Oxon, and others, and good behavior." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=570)
> > > > >
> > > > > On November 7, "The examinations against - Mayhew; [were] referred to the Committee for examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=470)
> > > > Interesting. I went through the rest of these State Papers for the Interregnum period, only finding that in 1649 Thomas Mayhew petitioned for clerk of passes at Dover.
> > > >
> > > > I don't find any other references to the two Mayhews being involved with the excise, nor Richard Ball/ Bull, either, for that matter (I also checked the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, which only begin in 1660, unfortunately [excise matters are often dealt with in detail in those vols]). There are a couple references to a Richard Bull having served in the Navy for long years. The naval matters calendared during the Interregnum leave much to be desired as far as completeness (they are all those wretched brief vertical entries packed for hundreds of pages at the back of each volume).
> > > >
> > > > The other reference I mentioned around 1660 occurs in the series for Charles II:
> > > >
> > > > [1660. Nov.?] 179. Thomas Mayhew. For a warrant for a Proclamation to forbid passing beyond seas without licence, in order to the better performance of his office of clerk of the passage for granting such licences, and keeping a registry thereof.
> > > >
> > > > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001326098&view=1up&seq=429&skin=2021&q1=mayhew
> > > >
> > > > While this looks like some sort of directive addressed TO Thomas Mayhew, the index indicates it is actually a petition FROM him. (I suppose he is not identical to the Thomas "Matthew" mentioned on the same page as having been a prisoner in the Tower.)
> > > >
> > > > I suppose it is possible the two New England Thomas Mayhews were briefly in England in 1650. Certainly, the second wife of Thomas Mayhew had been in England around 1642 "to settle her son's rights" (i.e., her son by the first husband, Thomas Paine).
> > > >
> > > > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark:/13960/t2q53t34x&view=1up&seq=183&skin=2021&q1=%22mayhew%20was%20in%20england%22
> > > I was wrong about the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, as an undated petition from HENRY Ball mentions losing the position of "clerk of the passes in all the ports" to "one Mayhew" ...
> > >
> > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22clerk+of+the+passes%22+mayhew&pg=PA1594&printsec=frontcover
> > >
> > > Other mentions of Henry Ball from the 1670s ... Could he be the son of Richard "Ball" of 1650?
> > >
> > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22henry%20ball%22
> > This is germane and may show conclusively that the Martha's Vineyard people were _not_ involved:
> >
> > [? 1670] Margery, widow of Thos. Mayhew, to Lord Arlington, for restoration to her of a patent granted to her late husband of the clerkship of passes, and left to her for maintenance; it is detained because John Trye, to whom it was left for 7 years, has been ordered to appear for some misconduct therein.
> >
> > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951d005874813&view=1up&seq=632&skin=2021&q1=%22margery%20widow%22
> >
> > I say "may show" because there is no record in New England of the Christian name of the younger Thomas Mayhew of Martha's Vineyard, though he was deceased by 1670. However, my theory had been that the father, Thomas Senior, was the one to whom the clerkship was granted; Thomas Mayhew Sen. was still alive in 1670 (and the Christian name of his second wife was Jane).
> Errrckk. "... there is no record in New England of the Christian name of the WIFE of the younger Thomas Mayhew of Martha's Vineyard, though he was deceased by 1670"

Possibly of interest ...

Overton, Hampshire

--Thomas Mayhew & Margery Palmer [married] ... Mar. 1644
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers/McMUAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22margery+palmer%22+mahew&pg=PA74&printsec=frontcover

Overton is not too far from Linkenholt and Faccombe (places associated with the Reades/ Windebanks).

On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:44:44 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:28:24 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:25:48 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:15:10 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 11:39:11 AM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 11:27:15 PM UTC-4, Jan Wolfe wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 2:00:11 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > Hi Jan,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think it could be _possible_ that the grant of this office was to the New England Thomas Mayhew (though probably to the father, not to the son). Therefore the father is the one who _may_ have been married (first) to a Windebank daughter and could be a brother-in-law, not nephew, of Francis Windebank. Still, the grant could have been ultimately for the benefit of the son, Thomas Junior.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have been through some of the years of the contemporary _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ and noted two mentions (at least) of Thomas Mayhew, clerk of passes or passports. Around 1640, Thomas Mayhew wrote to Windebank that his deputy in the office was not passing along the profits to him. Around 1660, Thomas Mayhew wrote to indicate that a new royal decree forbidding voyages without a passport would possibly aid him in his duties.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There may be other references. If someone wants to hunt them down and post them, that would be much appreciated. Otherwise, I'll check the stacks again on Monday and do a more systematic search.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The 1640 reference indicates Thomas Mayhew was doing his duties (at least partially) through a deputy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The senior Thomas Mayhew, Governor of Martha's Vineyard, was still living in 1660, not dying until sometime in the early 1680s, I believe. The son had died on a return voyage to England in 1657.
> > > > > > I notice that the grant of the office was made in 1636, but the office was to commence at the expiration of the grant for 21 years made to the current holder on 22 March 17 James I. Thus the revenue stream from the office would commence about the time that Thomas Mayhew Junior came of age.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some of the volumes of _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ are "full view" on Hathi. The following entry dated 14 November 1650 may be relevant to your interpretation:
> > > > > > "Order on the matter touching - Mayhew - senior and junior, and - Ball, Excise officers at Oxford, and the proofs returned in support of the information formerly given against them, that the papers concerning that business be transmitted to the Commissioners of Excise in London, who are to consider the representations touching those under officers, and take such order as is agreeable to their trust, and for the service of the commonwealth, the cause as to those parties settling or removing being proper for their cognizance; also the Commissioners for sequestrations in the said county are to take knowledge of the informations against these men, so far as concerns sequestration and delinquency, and proceed therein according to the directions of Parliament." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=480)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Earlier in the year (July 24), "The petition of Rich. Bull and Thos. Mayhew; [was] referred to the committee for Examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=302)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A recognizance (dated August 10) for Rich. Bull and Thomas Mayhew, junior, residence Aldgate, co. Oxon, was issued with the condition, "Appearance when required before Lieut. Col. Kelsey, Deputy Governor of Oxon, and others, and good behavior." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=570)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On November 7, "The examinations against - Mayhew; [were] referred to the Committee for examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=470)
> > > > > Interesting. I went through the rest of these State Papers for the Interregnum period, only finding that in 1649 Thomas Mayhew petitioned for clerk of passes at Dover.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't find any other references to the two Mayhews being involved with the excise, nor Richard Ball/ Bull, either, for that matter (I also checked the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, which only begin in 1660, unfortunately [excise matters are often dealt with in detail in those vols]). There are a couple references to a Richard Bull having served in the Navy for long years. The naval matters calendared during the Interregnum leave much to be desired as far as completeness (they are all those wretched brief vertical entries packed for hundreds of pages at the back of each volume).
> > > > >
> > > > > The other reference I mentioned around 1660 occurs in the series for Charles II:
> > > > >
> > > > > [1660. Nov.?] 179. Thomas Mayhew. For a warrant for a Proclamation to forbid passing beyond seas without licence, in order to the better performance of his office of clerk of the passage for granting such licences, and keeping a registry thereof.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001326098&view=1up&seq=429&skin=2021&q1=mayhew
> > > > >
> > > > > While this looks like some sort of directive addressed TO Thomas Mayhew, the index indicates it is actually a petition FROM him. (I suppose he is not identical to the Thomas "Matthew" mentioned on the same page as having been a prisoner in the Tower.)
> > > > >
> > > > > I suppose it is possible the two New England Thomas Mayhews were briefly in England in 1650. Certainly, the second wife of Thomas Mayhew had been in England around 1642 "to settle her son's rights" (i.e., her son by the first husband, Thomas Paine).
> > > > >
> > > > > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark:/13960/t2q53t34x&view=1up&seq=183&skin=2021&q1=%22mayhew%20was%20in%20england%22
> > > > I was wrong about the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, as an undated petition from HENRY Ball mentions losing the position of "clerk of the passes in all the ports" to "one Mayhew" ...
> > > >
> > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22clerk+of+the+passes%22+mayhew&pg=PA1594&printsec=frontcover
> > > >
> > > > Other mentions of Henry Ball from the 1670s ... Could he be the son of Richard "Ball" of 1650?
> > > >
> > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22henry%20ball%22
> > > This is germane and may show conclusively that the Martha's Vineyard people were _not_ involved:
> > >
> > > [? 1670] Margery, widow of Thos. Mayhew, to Lord Arlington, for restoration to her of a patent granted to her late husband of the clerkship of passes, and left to her for maintenance; it is detained because John Trye, to whom it was left for 7 years, has been ordered to appear for some misconduct therein.
> > >
> > > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951d005874813&view=1up&seq=632&skin=2021&q1=%22margery%20widow%22
> > >
> > > I say "may show" because there is no record in New England of the Christian name of the younger Thomas Mayhew of Martha's Vineyard, though he was deceased by 1670. However, my theory had been that the father, Thomas Senior, was the one to whom the clerkship was granted; Thomas Mayhew Sen. was still alive in 1670 (and the Christian name of his second wife was Jane).
> > Errrckk. "... there is no record in New England of the Christian name of the WIFE of the younger Thomas Mayhew of Martha's Vineyard, though he was deceased by 1670"
> Possibly of interest ...
>
> Overton, Hampshire
>
> --Thomas Mayhew & Margery Palmer [married] ... Mar. 1644
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers/McMUAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22margery+palmer%22+mahew&pg=PA74&printsec=frontcover
> Overton is not too far from Linkenholt and Faccombe (places associated with the Reades/ Windebanks).

The 1669 will of Thomas Mayhew, gent., of Overton, Hampshire (PROB 11/330/42) mentions wife Margery, son Thomas, cousin "Edward Read," and father-in-law "Mr. Francis Palmes" [not Palmer]. I would say this is a match.

On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 2:42:34 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:44:44 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:28:24 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:25:48 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:15:10 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 11:39:11 AM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 11:27:15 PM UTC-4, Jan Wolfe wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 2:00:11 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > Hi Jan,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think it could be _possible_ that the grant of this office was to the New England Thomas Mayhew (though probably to the father, not to the son). Therefore the father is the one who _may_ have been married (first) to a Windebank daughter and could be a brother-in-law, not nephew, of Francis Windebank. Still, the grant could have been ultimately for the benefit of the son, Thomas Junior.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have been through some of the years of the contemporary _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ and noted two mentions (at least) of Thomas Mayhew, clerk of passes or passports. Around 1640, Thomas Mayhew wrote to Windebank that his deputy in the office was not passing along the profits to him. Around 1660, Thomas Mayhew wrote to indicate that a new royal decree forbidding voyages without a passport would possibly aid him in his duties.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There may be other references. If someone wants to hunt them down and post them, that would be much appreciated. Otherwise, I'll check the stacks again on Monday and do a more systematic search.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The 1640 reference indicates Thomas Mayhew was doing his duties (at least partially) through a deputy.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The senior Thomas Mayhew, Governor of Martha's Vineyard, was still living in 1660, not dying until sometime in the early 1680s, I believe. The son had died on a return voyage to England in 1657.
> > > > > > > I notice that the grant of the office was made in 1636, but the office was to commence at the expiration of the grant for 21 years made to the current holder on 22 March 17 James I. Thus the revenue stream from the office would commence about the time that Thomas Mayhew Junior came of age.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Some of the volumes of _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ are "full view" on Hathi. The following entry dated 14 November 1650 may be relevant to your interpretation:
> > > > > > > "Order on the matter touching - Mayhew - senior and junior, and - Ball, Excise officers at Oxford, and the proofs returned in support of the information formerly given against them, that the papers concerning that business be transmitted to the Commissioners of Excise in London, who are to consider the representations touching those under officers, and take such order as is agreeable to their trust, and for the service of the commonwealth, the cause as to those parties settling or removing being proper for their cognizance; also the Commissioners for sequestrations in the said county are to take knowledge of the informations against these men, so far as concerns sequestration and delinquency, and proceed therein according to the directions of Parliament." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=480)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Earlier in the year (July 24), "The petition of Rich. Bull and Thos. Mayhew; [was] referred to the committee for Examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=302)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A recognizance (dated August 10) for Rich. Bull and Thomas Mayhew, junior, residence Aldgate, co. Oxon, was issued with the condition, "Appearance when required before Lieut. Col. Kelsey, Deputy Governor of Oxon, and others, and good behavior." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=570)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On November 7, "The examinations against - Mayhew; [were] referred to the Committee for examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=470)
> > > > > > Interesting. I went through the rest of these State Papers for the Interregnum period, only finding that in 1649 Thomas Mayhew petitioned for clerk of passes at Dover.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't find any other references to the two Mayhews being involved with the excise, nor Richard Ball/ Bull, either, for that matter (I also checked the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, which only begin in 1660, unfortunately [excise matters are often dealt with in detail in those vols]). There are a couple references to a Richard Bull having served in the Navy for long years. The naval matters calendared during the Interregnum leave much to be desired as far as completeness (they are all those wretched brief vertical entries packed for hundreds of pages at the back of each volume).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The other reference I mentioned around 1660 occurs in the series for Charles II:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1660. Nov.?] 179. Thomas Mayhew. For a warrant for a Proclamation to forbid passing beyond seas without licence, in order to the better performance of his office of clerk of the passage for granting such licences, and keeping a registry thereof.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001326098&view=1up&seq=429&skin=2021&q1=mayhew
> > > > > >
> > > > > > While this looks like some sort of directive addressed TO Thomas Mayhew, the index indicates it is actually a petition FROM him. (I suppose he is not identical to the Thomas "Matthew" mentioned on the same page as having been a prisoner in the Tower.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I suppose it is possible the two New England Thomas Mayhews were briefly in England in 1650. Certainly, the second wife of Thomas Mayhew had been in England around 1642 "to settle her son's rights" (i.e., her son by the first husband, Thomas Paine).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark:/13960/t2q53t34x&view=1up&seq=183&skin=2021&q1=%22mayhew%20was%20in%20england%22
> > > > > I was wrong about the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, as an undated petition from HENRY Ball mentions losing the position of "clerk of the passes in all the ports" to "one Mayhew" ...
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22clerk+of+the+passes%22+mayhew&pg=PA1594&printsec=frontcover
> > > > >
> > > > > Other mentions of Henry Ball from the 1670s ... Could he be the son of Richard "Ball" of 1650?
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22henry%20ball%22
> > > > This is germane and may show conclusively that the Martha's Vineyard people were _not_ involved:
> > > >
> > > > [? 1670] Margery, widow of Thos. Mayhew, to Lord Arlington, for restoration to her of a patent granted to her late husband of the clerkship of passes, and left to her for maintenance; it is detained because John Trye, to whom it was left for 7 years, has been ordered to appear for some misconduct therein.
> > > >
> > > > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951d005874813&view=1up&seq=632&skin=2021&q1=%22margery%20widow%22
> > > >
> > > > I say "may show" because there is no record in New England of the Christian name of the younger Thomas Mayhew of Martha's Vineyard, though he was deceased by 1670. However, my theory had been that the father, Thomas Senior, was the one to whom the clerkship was granted; Thomas Mayhew Sen. was still alive in 1670 (and the Christian name of his second wife was Jane).
> > > Errrckk. "... there is no record in New England of the Christian name of the WIFE of the younger Thomas Mayhew of Martha's Vineyard, though he was deceased by 1670"
> > Possibly of interest ...
> >
> > Overton, Hampshire
> >
> > --Thomas Mayhew & Margery Palmer [married] ... Mar. 1644
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers/McMUAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22margery+palmer%22+mahew&pg=PA74&printsec=frontcover
> > Overton is not too far from Linkenholt and Faccombe (places associated with the Reades/ Windebanks).
> The 1669 will of Thomas Mayhew, gent., of Overton, Hampshire (PROB 11/330/42) mentions wife Margery, son Thomas, cousin "Edward Read," and father-in-law "Mr. Francis Palmes" [not Palmer]. I would say this is a match.
>
> This pedigree shows the ancestry of Margery (Palmes) Mayhew:
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/Pedigrees_from_the_Visitation_of_Hampshi/9L7UAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22francis+palmes%22+hampshire&pg=PA97&printsec=frontcover

On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 2:42:34 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:44:44 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:28:24 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:25:48 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:15:10 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 11:39:11 AM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 11:27:15 PM UTC-4, Jan Wolfe wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 2:00:11 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > Hi Jan,
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> > > > > > > > I think it could be _possible_ that the grant of this office was to the New England Thomas Mayhew (though probably to the father, not to the son). Therefore the father is the one who _may_ have been married (first) to a Windebank daughter and could be a brother-in-law, not nephew, of Francis Windebank. Still, the grant could have been ultimately for the benefit of the son, Thomas Junior.
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> > > > > > > > I have been through some of the years of the contemporary _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ and noted two mentions (at least) of Thomas Mayhew, clerk of passes or passports. Around 1640, Thomas Mayhew wrote to Windebank that his deputy in the office was not passing along the profits to him. Around 1660, Thomas Mayhew wrote to indicate that a new royal decree forbidding voyages without a passport would possibly aid him in his duties.
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> > > > > > > > There may be other references. If someone wants to hunt them down and post them, that would be much appreciated. Otherwise, I'll check the stacks again on Monday and do a more systematic search.
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> > > > > > > > The 1640 reference indicates Thomas Mayhew was doing his duties (at least partially) through a deputy.
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> > > > > > > > The senior Thomas Mayhew, Governor of Martha's Vineyard, was still living in 1660, not dying until sometime in the early 1680s, I believe. The son had died on a return voyage to England in 1657.
> > > > > > > I notice that the grant of the office was made in 1636, but the office was to commence at the expiration of the grant for 21 years made to the current holder on 22 March 17 James I. Thus the revenue stream from the office would commence about the time that Thomas Mayhew Junior came of age.
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> > > > > > > Some of the volumes of _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ are "full view" on Hathi. The following entry dated 14 November 1650 may be relevant to your interpretation:
> > > > > > > "Order on the matter touching - Mayhew - senior and junior, and - Ball, Excise officers at Oxford, and the proofs returned in support of the information formerly given against them, that the papers concerning that business be transmitted to the Commissioners of Excise in London, who are to consider the representations touching those under officers, and take such order as is agreeable to their trust, and for the service of the commonwealth, the cause as to those parties settling or removing being proper for their cognizance; also the Commissioners for sequestrations in the said county are to take knowledge of the informations against these men, so far as concerns sequestration and delinquency, and proceed therein according to the directions of Parliament." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=480)
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> > > > > > > Earlier in the year (July 24), "The petition of Rich. Bull and Thos. Mayhew; [was] referred to the committee for Examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=302)
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> > > > > > > A recognizance (dated August 10) for Rich. Bull and Thomas Mayhew, junior, residence Aldgate, co. Oxon, was issued with the condition, "Appearance when required before Lieut. Col. Kelsey, Deputy Governor of Oxon, and others, and good behavior." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=570)
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> > > > > > > On November 7, "The examinations against - Mayhew; [were] referred to the Committee for examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=470)
> > > > > > Interesting. I went through the rest of these State Papers for the Interregnum period, only finding that in 1649 Thomas Mayhew petitioned for clerk of passes at Dover.
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> > > > > > I don't find any other references to the two Mayhews being involved with the excise, nor Richard Ball/ Bull, either, for that matter (I also checked the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, which only begin in 1660, unfortunately [excise matters are often dealt with in detail in those vols]). There are a couple references to a Richard Bull having served in the Navy for long years. The naval matters calendared during the Interregnum leave much to be desired as far as completeness (they are all those wretched brief vertical entries packed for hundreds of pages at the back of each volume).
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> > > > > > The other reference I mentioned around 1660 occurs in the series for Charles II:
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> > > > > > [1660. Nov.?] 179. Thomas Mayhew. For a warrant for a Proclamation to forbid passing beyond seas without licence, in order to the better performance of his office of clerk of the passage for granting such licences, and keeping a registry thereof.
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> > > > > > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001326098&view=1up&seq=429&skin=2021&q1=mayhew
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> > > > > > While this looks like some sort of directive addressed TO Thomas Mayhew, the index indicates it is actually a petition FROM him. (I suppose he is not identical to the Thomas "Matthew" mentioned on the same page as having been a prisoner in the Tower.)
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> > > > > > I suppose it is possible the two New England Thomas Mayhews were briefly in England in 1650. Certainly, the second wife of Thomas Mayhew had been in England around 1642 "to settle her son's rights" (i.e., her son by the first husband, Thomas Paine).
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> > > > > > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark:/13960/t2q53t34x&view=1up&seq=183&skin=2021&q1=%22mayhew%20was%20in%20england%22
> > > > > I was wrong about the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, as an undated petition from HENRY Ball mentions losing the position of "clerk of the passes in all the ports" to "one Mayhew" ...
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> > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22clerk+of+the+passes%22+mayhew&pg=PA1594&printsec=frontcover
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> > > > > Other mentions of Henry Ball from the 1670s ... Could he be the son of Richard "Ball" of 1650?
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> > > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22henry%20ball%22
> > > > This is germane and may show conclusively that the Martha's Vineyard people were _not_ involved:
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> > > > [? 1670] Margery, widow of Thos. Mayhew, to Lord Arlington, for restoration to her of a patent granted to her late husband of the clerkship of passes, and left to her for maintenance; it is detained because John Trye, to whom it was left for 7 years, has been ordered to appear for some misconduct therein.
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> > > > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951d005874813&view=1up&seq=632&skin=2021&q1=%22margery%20widow%22
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> > > > I say "may show" because there is no record in New England of the Christian name of the younger Thomas Mayhew of Martha's Vineyard, though he was deceased by 1670. However, my theory had been that the father, Thomas Senior, was the one to whom the clerkship was granted; Thomas Mayhew Sen. was still alive in 1670 (and the Christian name of his second wife was Jane).
> > > Errrckk. "... there is no record in New England of the Christian name of the WIFE of the younger Thomas Mayhew of Martha's Vineyard, though he was deceased by 1670"
> > Possibly of interest ...
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> > Overton, Hampshire
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> > --Thomas Mayhew & Margery Palmer [married] ... Mar. 1644
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers/McMUAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22margery+palmer%22+mahew&pg=PA74&printsec=frontcover
> > Overton is not too far from Linkenholt and Faccombe (places associated with the Reades/ Windebanks).
> The 1669 will of Thomas Mayhew, gent., of Overton, Hampshire (PROB 11/330/42) mentions wife Margery, son Thomas, cousin "Edward Read," and father-in-law "Mr. Francis Palmes" [not Palmer]. I would say this is a match.
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> This pedigree shows the ancestry of Margery (Palmes) Mayhew:
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/Pedigrees_from_the_Visitation_of_Hampshi/9L7UAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22francis+palmes%22+hampshire&pg=PA97&printsec=frontcover

On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 3:40:00 PM UTC-4, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 2:42:34 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:44:44 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
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> > The 1669 will of Thomas Mayhew, gent., of Overton, Hampshire (PROB 11/330/42) mentions wife Margery, son Thomas, cousin "Edward Read," and father-in-law "Mr. Francis Palmes" [not Palmer]. I would say this is a match.
> >
> > This pedigree shows the ancestry of Margery (Palmes) Mayhew:
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Pedigrees_from_the_Visitation_of_Hampshi/9L7UAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22francis+palmes%22+hampshire&pg=PA97&printsec=frontcover
> The will also gives to his son Thomas "my Grant of the Office of Clerke of the Passes."

Thanks for your extensive work on this topic and posting the information in this thread, John. I think your most recent posts demonstrate that the records discussed are not for the Thomas Mayhew who settled on Martha's Vineyard nor his son, and thus do not provide clues to the identity of the unknown first wife of Thomas senior. Perhaps that is disappointing, but it's useful to have this set of records well sorted out and analyzed.