On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 8:38:01 AM UTC-6, taf wrote:
> On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 4:13:04 AM UTC-8, beatrice....@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Leo van de Pas complètement con et nul, bien qu'il aie peut être -
> > raison...Cheddar Man prouve sans doute que les trait négroïde de
> > cette reine est sans doute directement de la lignée de Cheddar Man !
> This is so very wrong. Her perceived African traits were not due to descent from Cheddar Man, obvious from geography alone - any contribution from Cheddar Man would have been truly insignificant - the latest genetic findings show that the English hunter-gatherers, among whom was Cheddar man, were almost completely supplanted/replaced, and made very little genetic contribution to subsequent Brits, let alone Germans. Germany had their own stone-age hunter-gathereres, who would indeed have had darker skin (and blue eyes), but this would not have made Charlotte her 'look African'. The one most notable so-called 'Negroid trait' that Cheddar Man had, dark skin, is the one that Charlotte did not possess - it is her facial topography that is claimed to be 'African' and if you look at the Cheddar Man's skull, it is clear that with this regard the facial reconstruction of Cheddar Man was completely made up, as the determinative bone structures do not survive (and can't yet be extrapolated from genetics). If it violates the nature of genetics to suggest that these traits could have passed 15 generations without a trace and then suddenly popped up, what does it say about your proposal, that it would pass 450 generations and then pop up in one woman among the entire European population that would have shared such ancestry?
>
> If Charlotte had African features, it was because an immediate ancestor, probably within three generations, was a sub-Saharan African, in which case one of her parents would have looked more 'African' than she did - that is how genetics really works for the features we are talking about. Neither parent did, so that only admits two solutions: 1) one of her 'parents' was not really her parent; or 2) that she didn't have African features, but some of her features were exaggerated/distorted to look that way by one or more artists who painted her (either through incompetence or as a political statement).
> > Taf : Je ne vois pas ce que les Arabes viennent faire dans ce débat ce ne
> > sont que les 1er pilleurs, violeurs, voleurs que mes ancêtres ont fait
> > confiance et les ont laissé s'installer sur le continent...Bref, si nous
> > n'avons pas été spolier, voler, usurper? FALSIFIER... Nous n'aurons pas
> > besoin à chaque fois d’essayer de rétablir, de trouver nos Ailleux ! On
> > va donc heu pardon, vos scientifiques qui sont des chercheurs de vérités,
> > vont continuer à trouver des Cheddar-Man partout... Et vous verrez qui
> > sont sont les 1er et véritable peuple de cette planète !
> Unclear what you are trying to say here, but it doesn't appear to have anything to do with genealogy.
>
> taf

A terça-feira, 29 de março de 2022 à(s) 00:53:19 UTC+1, lady luck escreveu:
> On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 8:38:01 AM UTC-6, taf wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 4:13:04 AM UTC-8, beatrice....@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > Leo van de Pas complètement con et nul, bien qu'il aie peut être -
> > > raison...Cheddar Man prouve sans doute que les trait négroïde de
> > > cette reine est sans doute directement de la lignée de Cheddar Man !
> > This is so very wrong. Her perceived African traits were not due to descent from Cheddar Man, obvious from geography alone - any contribution from Cheddar Man would have been truly insignificant - the latest genetic findings show that the English hunter-gatherers, among whom was Cheddar man, were almost completely supplanted/replaced, and made very little genetic contribution to subsequent Brits, let alone Germans. Germany had their own stone-age hunter-gathereres, who would indeed have had darker skin (and blue eyes), but this would not have made Charlotte her 'look African'. The one most notable so-called 'Negroid trait' that Cheddar Man had, dark skin, is the one that Charlotte did not possess - it is her facial topography that is claimed to be 'African' and if you look at the Cheddar Man's skull, it is clear that with this regard the facial reconstruction of Cheddar Man was completely made up, as the determinative bone structures do not survive (and can't yet be extrapolated from genetics). If it violates the nature of genetics to suggest that these traits could have passed 15 generations without a trace and then suddenly popped up, what does it say about your proposal, that it would pass 450 generations and then pop up in one woman among the entire European population that would have shared such ancestry?
> >
> > If Charlotte had African features, it was because an immediate ancestor, probably within three generations, was a sub-Saharan African, in which case one of her parents would have looked more 'African' than she did - that is how genetics really works for the features we are talking about. Neither parent did, so that only admits two solutions: 1) one of her 'parents' was not really her parent; or 2) that she didn't have African features, but some of her features were exaggerated/distorted to look that way by one or more artists who painted her (either through incompetence or as a political statement).
> > > Taf : Je ne vois pas ce que les Arabes viennent faire dans ce débat ce ne
> > > sont que les 1er pilleurs, violeurs, voleurs que mes ancêtres ont fait
> > > confiance et les ont laissé s'installer sur le continent...Bref, si nous
> > > n'avons pas été spolier, voler, usurper? FALSIFIER... Nous n'aurons pas
> > > besoin à chaque fois d’essayer de rétablir, de trouver nos Ailleux ! On
> > > va donc heu pardon, vos scientifiques qui sont des chercheurs de vérités,
> > > vont continuer à trouver des Cheddar-Man partout... Et vous verrez qui
> > > sont sont les 1er et véritable peuple de cette planète !
> > Unclear what you are trying to say here, but it doesn't appear to have anything to do with genealogy.
> >
> > taf

No offense, but your reply doesn't say anything. Please, repost with text.