Bs"d

Here on this page https://en.wikipedia.orgwikiParis_City_Chess_Championship there are sometimes two winners mentioned, and one as "off contest".
Does anybody know what that means?

https://tinyurl.com/lifes-fault

Your URL did not work, even after I tried to repair it.
However, I found something similar at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Chess_Championship
Ah, wait, this is closer to the page you intended
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_City_Chess_Championship
but that's odd, since that's what I tried to repair the URL to, and it didn't work.
Oh, well.

That term also occurs here, without explanation:
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Vladas_Mik%C4%97nas

I believe it means that a player's score qualified that player for a certain result,
but for another reason, that player was not qualified, and so the actual
award of prizes occured as though that player was not there.
Why such a thing would happen, though, I do not know.

John Savard

On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 7:17:18 AM UTC+2, Quadibloc wrote:
> Your URL did not work, even after I tried to repair it.
> However, I found something similar at
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Chess_Championship
> Ah, wait, this is closer to the page you intended
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_City_Chess_Championship
> but that's odd, since that's what I tried to repair the URL to, and it didn't work.
> Oh, well.
>
> That term also occurs here, without explanation:
> https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Vladas_Mik%C4%97nas
>
> I believe it means that a player's score qualified that player for a certain result,
> but for another reason, that player was not qualified, and so the actual
> award of prizes occured as though that player was not there.
> Why such a thing would happen, though, I do not know.
>
> John Savard

Bs"d

Thanks for the explanation. I was wondering what it was.

The last link you gave, this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_City_Chess_Championship is the right one.

In my link somehow some slashes disappeared, killing the link.

https://tinyurl.com/pick-pocket

(I love to send the above link to my opponent when he asks for a take back :D)

On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 2:24:31 AM UTC-7, The Horny Goat wrote:

> I've just finished Kotov's old book on Alekhine and he mentions that
> both Alekhine and Keres had played in some Scandanavian championship
> events in the 1930s "hors combat" which I think is what you're talking
> about. For them it was training.

That's interesting. Of course, though, the usual meaning of "hors du combat"
is so badly wounded that one can no longer fight.

John Savard

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 3:34:24 AM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 2:24:31 AM UTC-7, The Horny Goat wrote:
>
> > I've just finished Kotov's old book on Alekhine and he mentions that
> > both Alekhine and Keres had played in some Scandanavian championship
> > events in the 1930s "hors combat" which I think is what you're talking
> > about. For them it was training.
> That's interesting. Of course, though, the usual meaning of "hors du combat"
> is so badly wounded that one can no longer fight.

The phrase is "Hors Concours". "Hors" meaning outside, "Concours" meaning competition.

William Hyde

On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 21:17:17 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>I believe it means that a player's score qualified that player for a certain result,
>but for another reason, that player was not qualified, and so the actual
>award of prizes occured as though that player was not there.
>Why such a thing would happen, though, I do not know.

As a member of the Canadian national executive I have long campaigned
for a policy that in qualification events a player not eligible to
compete in the higher level event which the winner qualifies for
should under no circumstances be allowed to play in the qualifying
event. To me that defeats the whole purpose of the event.

Some 40+ years ago when I was a junior I was alone at 4-0 I was paired
against such a person (3.5-0.5 so except for the qualification thing
it was a proper pairing) - I lost and was so upset by the affair I
blundered in round 6 and thus failed to qualify for the Canadian
junior nationals.

I had a heavy plus score against the player I had >expected< to be
playing in round 5 so was expecting a long game with a happy result
(being alone in first with one round to go is definitely 'happy' when
it's a national qualifier!) but I felt then and still do that I was
cheated that day.

Bottom line is that in a qualifying event it is just plain wrong to
allow persons ineligible to qualify for the next stage to play. The
whole point of a qualifier is to qualify someone.

On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 21:17:17 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>I believe it means that a player's score qualified that player for a certain result,
>but for another reason, that player was not qualified, and so the actual
>award of prizes occured as though that player was not there.
>Why such a thing would happen, though, I do not know.

I do not know either but 40 years ago when I was an up and coming
junior I was 4-0 after 4 rounds in a provincial junior championship
and was paired against somebody who was of junior age BUT would NOT be
eligible to compete at the national level if he won the qualifying
tournament. I told the TD in no uncertain terms that that was unjust
(and 40 years later STILL feel that way), I blundered shortly after
the time control and in the last round was still rattled from the
experience and lost quickly thus failing to qualify.

Now that I'm on our national executive I have lobbied HARD on this
making the point that in a qualifying tournament a player should NOT
be allowed to play if for whatever reason he/she would be ineligible
to participate in the event the qualifying tournament was to qualify a
champion for.

The whole point of such an event is to qualify a player for the next
level - not to ingratiate the egos of ineligible players who want to
play a few rounds.

Felt strongly on this as a teenager and as an 'old fart' still do.

But I do think that's the situation the original poster was talking
about.

(if you really want credentials then International Arbiter, past
member National Appeals Committee)