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 by: henh...@gmail.com - Thu, 6 Apr 2023 19:45 UTC

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cistern#Etymology
..................from Latin cisterna, from cista (“box”), from Ancient Greek κίστη (kístē, “box”). Doublet of cisterna.

are Greek kýtos, meaning “container,”
and Ancient Greek κίστη (kístē, “box”) related??????

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 by: Dragonòt - Fri, 7 Apr 2023 06:41 UTC

Il 06/04/2023 21:45, henh...@gmail.com ha scritto:
> are Greek kýtos, meaning “container,”
> and Ancient Greek κίστη (kístē, “box”) related??????

No, kýtos comes from Ancient Greek κύτος, -ους.
Bepe

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 by: henh...@gmail.com - Fri, 7 Apr 2023 16:28 UTC

On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:41:46 PM UTC-7, Dragonòt wrote:
> Il 06/04/2023 21:45, henh...@gmail.com ha scritto:
> > are Greek kýtos, meaning “container,”
> > and Ancient Greek κίστη (kístē, “box”) related??????

> No, kýtos comes from Ancient Greek κύτος, -ους.
> Bepe

thanks! hard to believe that they are not related...

------- False cognates (in the same language)

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 by: Ed Cryer - Fri, 7 Apr 2023 17:57 UTC

henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:41:46 PM UTC-7, Dragonòt wrote:
>> Il 06/04/2023 21:45, henh...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>>> are Greek kýtos, meaning “container,”
>>> and Ancient Greek κίστη (kístē, “box”) related??????
>
>> No, kýtos comes from Ancient Greek κύτος, -ους.
>> Bepe
>
> thanks! hard to believe that they are not related...
>
> ------- False cognates (in the same language)
Why?
Ed

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 by: henh...@gmail.com - Fri, 7 Apr 2023 18:12 UTC

On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 10:57:16 AM UTC-7, Ed Cryer wrote:
> henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:41:46 PM UTC-7, Dragonòt wrote:
> >> Il 06/04/2023 21:45, henh...@gmail.com ha scritto:
> >>> are Greek kýtos, meaning “container,”
> >>> and Ancient Greek κίστη (kístē, “box”) related??????
> >
> >> No, kýtos comes from Ancient Greek κύτος, -ους.
> >> Bepe
> >
> > thanks! hard to believe that they are not related...
> >
> > ------- False cognates (in the same language)
> Why? Ed

because the 2 words are in the same language

they sound so similar and

Box and Container are also very similar.

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 by: Ed Cryer - Fri, 7 Apr 2023 18:51 UTC

henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 10:57:16 AM UTC-7, Ed Cryer wrote:
>> henh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:41:46 PM UTC-7, Dragonòt wrote:
>>>> Il 06/04/2023 21:45, henh...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>>>>> are Greek kýtos, meaning “container,”
>>>>> and Ancient Greek κίστη (kístē, “box”) related??????
>>>
>>>> No, kýtos comes from Ancient Greek κύτος, -ους.
>>>> Bepe
>>>
>>> thanks! hard to believe that they are not related...
>>>
>>> ------- False cognates (in the same language)
>> Why? Ed
>
>
> because the 2 words are in the same language
>
> they sound so similar and
>
> Box and Container are also very similar.
>
>
Let's stay with English through this lesson.
"Plain" and "plane".
"Fair" and "fare".
"Bow" and "bough".
"Fly" and "fly".
Your rule doesn't cover reality.
Ed

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 by: henh...@gmail.com - Fri, 7 Apr 2023 19:03 UTC

On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 11:54:52 AM UTC-7, Ed Cryer wrote:
> henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 10:57:16 AM UTC-7, Ed Cryer wrote:
> >> henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:41:46 PM UTC-7, Dragonòt wrote:
> >>>> Il 06/04/2023 21:45, henh...@gmail.com ha scritto:
> >>>>> are Greek kýtos, meaning “container,”
> >>>>> and Ancient Greek κίστη (kístē, “box”) related??????
> >>>
> >>>> No, kýtos comes from Ancient Greek κύτος, -ους.
> >>>> Bepe
> >>>
> >>> thanks! hard to believe that they are not related...
> >>>
> >>> ------- False cognates (in the same language)
> >> Why? Ed
> >
> >
> > because the 2 words are in the same language
> >
> > they sound so similar and
> >
> > Box and Container are also very similar.
> >
> >
> Let's stay with English through this lesson.
> "Plain" and "plane".
> "Fair" and "fare".
> "Bow" and "bough".
> "Fly" and "fly".
>
> Your rule doesn't cover reality. Ed

i don't think i've presetned a RULE ... (im a simple guy who's easily impressed by ling. trivia)

> "Fly" and "fly".

the verb and the insect? --- ( don't they come from the same source ? )

i think... Duck and Duck, Dove and Dove

( the verb and Creature) come from the same source...

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 by: Ed Cryer - Sat, 8 Apr 2023 08:37 UTC

henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 11:54:52 AM UTC-7, Ed Cryer wrote:
>> henh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 10:57:16 AM UTC-7, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>> henh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:41:46 PM UTC-7, Dragonòt wrote:
>>>>>> Il 06/04/2023 21:45, henh...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>>>>>>> are Greek kýtos, meaning “container,”
>>>>>>> and Ancient Greek κίστη (kístē, “box”) related??????
>>>>>
>>>>>> No, kýtos comes from Ancient Greek κύτος, -ους.
>>>>>> Bepe
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks! hard to believe that they are not related...
>>>>>
>>>>> ------- False cognates (in the same language)
>>>> Why? Ed
>>>
>>>
>>> because the 2 words are in the same language
>>>
>>> they sound so similar and
>>>
>>> Box and Container are also very similar.
>>>
>>>
>> Let's stay with English through this lesson.
>> "Plain" and "plane".
>> "Fair" and "fare".
>> "Bow" and "bough".
>> "Fly" and "fly".
>>
>> Your rule doesn't cover reality. Ed
>
>
> i don't think i've presetned a RULE ... (im a simple guy who's easily impressed by ling. trivia)
>
>
>> "Fly" and "fly".
>
> the verb and the insect? --- ( don't they come from the same source ? )
>
>
> i think... Duck and Duck, Dove and Dove
>
> ( the verb and Creature) come from the same source...
>
"Fly" and "fly". I've just looked it up, and apparently they have the
same etymology.
You'll know more about this than I do, but it opens a fascinating scope
for my imagination; which came first? It might have turned out that
"bird" came to be a verb; "he birds through the air on the birding trapeze".
How about "volo" and "avis" in Latin?
Ed

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 by: henh...@gmail.com - Sun, 9 Apr 2023 16:43 UTC

On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 1:38:10 AM UTC-7, Ed Cryer wrote:
> henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 11:54:52 AM UTC-7, Ed Cryer wrote:
> >> henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 10:57:16 AM UTC-7, Ed Cryer wrote:
> >>>> henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:41:46 PM UTC-7, Dragonòt wrote:
> >>>>>> Il 06/04/2023 21:45, henh...@gmail.com ha scritto:
> >>>>>>> are Greek kýtos, meaning “container,”
> >>>>>>> and Ancient Greek κίστη (kístē, “box”) related??????
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> No, kýtos comes from Ancient Greek κύτος, -ους.
> >>>>>> Bepe
> >>>>>
> >>>>> thanks! hard to believe that they are not related...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------- False cognates (in the same language)
> >>>> Why? Ed
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> because the 2 words are in the same language
> >>>
> >>> they sound so similar and
> >>>
> >>> Box and Container are also very similar.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Let's stay with English through this lesson.
> >> "Plain" and "plane".
> >> "Fair" and "fare".
> >> "Bow" and "bough".
> >> "Fly" and "fly".
> >>
> >> Your rule doesn't cover reality. Ed
> >
> >
> > i don't think i've presetned a RULE ... (im a simple guy who's easily impressed by ling. trivia)
> >
> >
> >> "Fly" and "fly".
> >
> > the verb and the insect? --- ( don't they come from the same source ? )
> >
> >
> > i think... Duck and Duck, Dove and Dove
> >
> > ( the verb and Creature) come from the same source...
> >
> "Fly" and "fly". I've just looked it up, and apparently they have the
> same etymology.
> You'll know more about this than I do, but it opens a fascinating scope
> for my imagination; which came first? It might have turned out that
> "bird" came to be a verb; "he birds through the air on the birding trapeze".
>

speaking of birds....

1611, The Holy Bible, […] (King James Version),
( Tobit 2:10: ) And I knewe not that there were Sparrowes in
the wall, and mine eyes being open, the Sparrowes muted warme doung
into mine eyes,...

------------- is the verb [mute] used in this sense in FW ?

https://www.biblestudytools.com/nrsa/tobit/2-10.html
this is great... [deaf & mute] implies muted= "blinded"
https://www.biblestudytools.com/nrsa/tobit/2-10.html

Etymology
From Middle French muetir, probably a shortened form of esmeutir, ultimately from Proto-Germanic.

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 by: henh...@gmail.com - Sat, 15 Apr 2023 08:15 UTC

On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 9:43:01 AM UTC-7, henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 1:38:10 AM UTC-7, Ed Cryer wrote:
> > henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 11:54:52 AM UTC-7, Ed Cryer wrote:
> > >> henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>> On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 10:57:16 AM UTC-7, Ed Cryer wrote:
> > >>>> henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:41:46 PM UTC-7, Dragonòt wrote:
> > >>>>>> Il 06/04/2023 21:45, henh...@gmail.com ha scritto:
> > >>>>>>> are Greek kýtos, meaning “container,”
> > >>>>>>> and Ancient Greek κίστη (kístē, “box”) related??????
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> No, kýtos comes from Ancient Greek κύτος, -ους.
> > >>>>>> Bepe
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> thanks! hard to believe that they are not related...
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ------- False cognates (in the same language)
> > >>>> Why? Ed
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> because the 2 words are in the same language
> > >>>
> > >>> they sound so similar and
> > >>>
> > >>> Box and Container are also very similar.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> Let's stay with English through this lesson.
> > >> "Plain" and "plane".
> > >> "Fair" and "fare".
> > >> "Bow" and "bough".
> > >> "Fly" and "fly".
> > >>
> > >> Your rule doesn't cover reality. Ed
> > >
> > >
> > > i don't think i've presetned a RULE ... (im a simple guy who's easily impressed by ling. trivia)
> > >
> > >
> > >> "Fly" and "fly".
> > >
> > > the verb and the insect? --- ( don't they come from the same source ? )
> > >
> > >
> > > i think... Duck and Duck, Dove and Dove
> > >
> > > ( the verb and Creature) come from the same source...
> > >
> > "Fly" and "fly". I've just looked it up, and apparently they have the
> > same etymology.
> > You'll know more about this than I do, but it opens a fascinating scope
> > for my imagination; which came first? It might have turned out that
> > "bird" came to be a verb; "he birds through the air on the birding trapeze".
> >
> speaking of birds....
>
>
> 1611, The Holy Bible, […] (King James Version),
> ( Tobit 2:10: ) And I knewe not that there were Sparrowes in
> the wall, and mine eyes being open, the Sparrowes muted warme doung
> into mine eyes,...
>
> ------------- is the verb [mute] used in this sense in FW ?
>
>
> https://www.biblestudytools.com/nrsa/tobit/2-10.html
> this is great... [deaf & mute] implies muted= "blinded"
> https://www.biblestudytools.com/nrsa/tobit/2-10.html
>
>
>
> Etymology
> From Middle French muetir, probably a shortened form of esmeutir, ultimately from Proto-Germanic.

chef , chapeau (and cape) all come from the same root. (mischief, handkerchief)

>>> Borrowed from French chef (from the positions of chef d'office and chef de cuisine),[1] from Old French chief (“head, leader”) (English chief), from Vulgar Latin capus (“head”) (from which also captain, chieftain), from Latin caput (“head”) (English cap (“head covering”)), from Proto-Indo-European *kauput- (English head). Doublet of chief and caput.

BUT https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/caption (capture, capsule) are from a different root.

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