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 by: Owen Caddell - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 10:14 UTC

This is how it went. I was recently reading a book about Gaspard de Coligny written by A.W. Whitehead (citation at bottom.) This book contains a chart confirming that Gaspard ll de Coligny and Jacquelin d'Entremonts, sole heiress of the d'Entremont line, had a daughter Beatrice in 1572 (born after Coligny's death) who married Claude, Baron de Meuillon. This Claude Antoine, Baron de Meuillon, was the son of Nicolas Muss and his wife, Jeanne de Meuillon.

Coligny, Jeanne de Meuillon, and Nicolas Muss were all slaughtered for their Protestant faith at or around the events of the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre. This left Claude Antoine, Baron de Meuillon an orphan as a toddler. He was then adopted by Jacquelin d'Entremonts. The reasons for this adoption are twofold - Jacquelin felt guilty over the fact that Claude's father Nicolas had died protecting her late husband Coligny. Jacquelin also had no male heirs for the d'Entremont line as her family had failed to produce any. She thus struck some sort of agreement that her now adopted son, Claude Antoine, which declared that any children he had would carry on the d'Entremont name. Claude proceeded to marry Jacquelin's genetic daughter Beatrix, confirmed by W.A. Whitehead. This is why Philippe, one of their sons, carries both the Mius and the d'Entremont name.

As far as why the name went from Muss to Mius, this likely has a lot to do with Protestant / Catholic tension. Nicolas Muss was a German translator of Swiss origins. If you were to write the names "Muss" and "Mius" on a chalkboard and ask which looks like the French writing and which looks like the German writing of the pronunciation of the modern "Muise" it's rather obvious that "Muss" is German. This is significant because Germany was a Protestant nation during this time, the early 17th century. To spell your name "Mius" implied you were a Frenchman, a Catholic. What more motivation to change your name do you need than your grandparents being murdered for their faith?

Arthur Whiston Whitehead, Gaspard de Coligny: Admiral of France. (London: Methuen & Co, 1892).

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 by: pj.ev...@gmail.com - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 23:36 UTC

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:14:43 AM UTC-7, Owen Caddell wrote:
> This is how it went. I was recently reading a book about Gaspard de Coligny written by A.W. Whitehead (citation at bottom.) This book contains a chart confirming that Gaspard ll de Coligny and Jacquelin d'Entremonts, sole heiress of the d'Entremont line, had a daughter Beatrice in 1572 (born after Coligny's death) who married Claude, Baron de Meuillon. This Claude Antoine, Baron de Meuillon, was the son of Nicolas Muss and his wife, Jeanne de Meuillon.
>
> Coligny, Jeanne de Meuillon, and Nicolas Muss were all slaughtered for their Protestant faith at or around the events of the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre. This left Claude Antoine, Baron de Meuillon an orphan as a toddler.. He was then adopted by Jacquelin d'Entremonts. The reasons for this adoption are twofold - Jacquelin felt guilty over the fact that Claude's father Nicolas had died protecting her late husband Coligny. Jacquelin also had no male heirs for the d'Entremont line as her family had failed to produce any. She thus struck some sort of agreement that her now adopted son, Claude Antoine, which declared that any children he had would carry on the d'Entremont name. Claude proceeded to marry Jacquelin's genetic daughter Beatrix, confirmed by W.A. Whitehead. This is why Philippe, one of their sons, carries both the Mius and the d'Entremont name.
>
> As far as why the name went from Muss to Mius, this likely has a lot to do with Protestant / Catholic tension. Nicolas Muss was a German translator of Swiss origins. If you were to write the names "Muss" and "Mius" on a chalkboard and ask which looks like the French writing and which looks like the German writing of the pronunciation of the modern "Muise" it's rather obvious that "Muss" is German. This is significant because Germany was a Protestant nation during this time, the early 17th century. To spell your name "Mius" implied you were a Frenchman, a Catholic. What more motivation to change your name do you need than your grandparents being murdered for their faith?
>
> Arthur Whiston Whitehead, Gaspard de Coligny: Admiral of France. (London: Methuen & Co, 1892).

Ah, so "a book" of unknown quality, with theories which may be backed by evidence, but going by the Muss/Mius bit, likely not reliable.

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 by: Owen Caddell - Sun, 1 May 2022 04:25 UTC

On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 16:36:49 UTC-7, pj.ev...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:14:43 AM UTC-7, Owen Caddell wrote:
> > This is how it went. I was recently reading a book about Gaspard de Coligny written by A.W. Whitehead (citation at bottom.) This book contains a chart confirming that Gaspard ll de Coligny and Jacquelin d'Entremonts, sole heiress of the d'Entremont line, had a daughter Beatrice in 1572 (born after Coligny's death) who married Claude, Baron de Meuillon. This Claude Antoine, Baron de Meuillon, was the son of Nicolas Muss and his wife, Jeanne de Meuillon.
> >
> > Coligny, Jeanne de Meuillon, and Nicolas Muss were all slaughtered for their Protestant faith at or around the events of the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre. This left Claude Antoine, Baron de Meuillon an orphan as a toddler. He was then adopted by Jacquelin d'Entremonts. The reasons for this adoption are twofold - Jacquelin felt guilty over the fact that Claude's father Nicolas had died protecting her late husband Coligny. Jacquelin also had no male heirs for the d'Entremont line as her family had failed to produce any. She thus struck some sort of agreement that her now adopted son, Claude Antoine, which declared that any children he had would carry on the d'Entremont name. Claude proceeded to marry Jacquelin's genetic daughter Beatrix, confirmed by W.A. Whitehead. This is why Philippe, one of their sons, carries both the Mius and the d'Entremont name.
> >
> > As far as why the name went from Muss to Mius, this likely has a lot to do with Protestant / Catholic tension. Nicolas Muss was a German translator of Swiss origins. If you were to write the names "Muss" and "Mius" on a chalkboard and ask which looks like the French writing and which looks like the German writing of the pronunciation of the modern "Muise" it's rather obvious that "Muss" is German. This is significant because Germany was a Protestant nation during this time, the early 17th century. To spell your name "Mius" implied you were a Frenchman, a Catholic. What more motivation to change your name do you need than your grandparents being murdered for their faith?
> >
> > Arthur Whiston Whitehead, Gaspard de Coligny: Admiral of France. (London: Methuen & Co, 1892).
> Ah, so "a book" of unknown quality, with theories which may be backed by evidence, but going by the Muss/Mius bit, likely not reliable.
lmao the muss/muise name has changed and been varied so many times id love to hear your half baked theories about why that is

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 by: Owen Caddell - Sun, 1 May 2022 04:29 UTC

On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 16:36:49 UTC-7, pj.ev...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:14:43 AM UTC-7, Owen Caddell wrote:
> > This is how it went. I was recently reading a book about Gaspard de Coligny written by A.W. Whitehead (citation at bottom.) This book contains a chart confirming that Gaspard ll de Coligny and Jacquelin d'Entremonts, sole heiress of the d'Entremont line, had a daughter Beatrice in 1572 (born after Coligny's death) who married Claude, Baron de Meuillon. This Claude Antoine, Baron de Meuillon, was the son of Nicolas Muss and his wife, Jeanne de Meuillon.
> >
> > Coligny, Jeanne de Meuillon, and Nicolas Muss were all slaughtered for their Protestant faith at or around the events of the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre. This left Claude Antoine, Baron de Meuillon an orphan as a toddler. He was then adopted by Jacquelin d'Entremonts. The reasons for this adoption are twofold - Jacquelin felt guilty over the fact that Claude's father Nicolas had died protecting her late husband Coligny. Jacquelin also had no male heirs for the d'Entremont line as her family had failed to produce any. She thus struck some sort of agreement that her now adopted son, Claude Antoine, which declared that any children he had would carry on the d'Entremont name. Claude proceeded to marry Jacquelin's genetic daughter Beatrix, confirmed by W.A. Whitehead. This is why Philippe, one of their sons, carries both the Mius and the d'Entremont name.
> >
> > As far as why the name went from Muss to Mius, this likely has a lot to do with Protestant / Catholic tension. Nicolas Muss was a German translator of Swiss origins. If you were to write the names "Muss" and "Mius" on a chalkboard and ask which looks like the French writing and which looks like the German writing of the pronunciation of the modern "Muise" it's rather obvious that "Muss" is German. This is significant because Germany was a Protestant nation during this time, the early 17th century. To spell your name "Mius" implied you were a Frenchman, a Catholic. What more motivation to change your name do you need than your grandparents being murdered for their faith?
> >
> > Arthur Whiston Whitehead, Gaspard de Coligny: Admiral of France. (London: Methuen & Co, 1892).
> Ah, so "a book" of unknown quality, with theories which may be backed by evidence, but going by the Muss/Mius bit, likely not reliable.

"Ah, so "a book" of unknown quality" Hey I provided the citation. Do you know anything about works cited or academic citations? "A book of unknown quality?" No offense but wtf does "unknown quality" mean? You understand scholarly publications and internet articles are two different things, ya? Also, the Muss/Muise name has changed and been varied so many times id love to hear your half baked theories about why that is.

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On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 21:29:12 -0700 (PDT), Owen Caddell
<owencadd@gmail.com> wrote in soc.genealogy.medieval:

>On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 16:36:49 UTC-7, pj.ev...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:14:43 AM UTC-7, Owen Caddell wrote:
>> > As far as why the name went from Muss to Mius, this likely has a lot to do with Protestant / Catholic tension. Nicolas Muss was a German translator of Swiss origins. If you were to write the names "Muss" and "Mius" on a chalkboard and ask which looks like the French writing and which looks like the German writing of the
pronunciation of the modern "Muise" it's rather obvious that "Muss" is German. This is significant because Germany was a Protestant nation during this time, the early 17th century. To spell your name "Mius" implied you were a Frenchman, a Catholic. What more motivation to change your name do you need than your grandparents being
murdered for their faith?

A lot of Mius/D'Entremont tested their DNA and thus far, no
French link.

Muise is not a "modern" pronunciation but adaptation to English.

Muir is a common English name and its sounds like m-ee-your, so
similar to muise sounding like m-ee-youz, not far from French
m-ee-ouss.

http://www.geopatronyme.com/

49 occurences in France, 44 in Seine-Maritime, which is Normandy.
It can be from descendants of Acadians more than cousins of Acadians.

https://gbkcouples.geneabank.org/nom/?name=mius&place=&start=&end=

First occurence in this database in Puy de Dôme, which is more South
of France.

5 for a mother, Gaspard BUNEL m Marie MIUS before 1675 (3) and
2 where the godmother is Marie Mius.

Also, a lot of Miousse or Musse. But there is no evidence the
Mius could be Musse.

Denis

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On Sunday, 1 May 2022 at 15:33:41 UTC-7, Denis Beauregard wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 21:29:12 -0700 (PDT), Owen Caddell
> <owen...@gmail.com> wrote in soc.genealogy.medieval:
> >On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 16:36:49 UTC-7, pj.ev...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:14:43 AM UTC-7, Owen Caddell wrote:
> >> > As far as why the name went from Muss to Mius, this likely has a lot to do with Protestant / Catholic tension. Nicolas Muss was a German translator of Swiss origins. If you were to write the names "Muss" and "Mius" on a chalkboard and ask which looks like the French writing and which looks like the German writing of the
> pronunciation of the modern "Muise" it's rather obvious that "Muss" is German. This is significant because Germany was a Protestant nation during this time, the early 17th century. To spell your name "Mius" implied you were a Frenchman, a Catholic. What more motivation to change your name do you need than your grandparents being
> murdered for their faith?
> A lot of Mius/D'Entremont tested their DNA and thus far, no
> French link.
>
> Muise is not a "modern" pronunciation but adaptation to English.
>
> Muir is a common English name and its sounds like m-ee-your, so
> similar to muise sounding like m-ee-youz, not far from French
> m-ee-ouss.
>
> http://www.geopatronyme.com/
>
> 49 occurences in France, 44 in Seine-Maritime, which is Normandy.
> It can be from descendants of Acadians more than cousins of Acadians.
>
> https://gbkcouples.geneabank.org/nom/?name=mius&place=&start=&end=
>
> First occurence in this database in Puy de Dôme, which is more South
> of France.
>
> 5 for a mother, Gaspard BUNEL m Marie MIUS before 1675 (3) and
> 2 where the godmother is Marie Mius.
>
> Also, a lot of Miousse or Musse. But there is no evidence the
> Mius could be Musse.
> Denis
>
> --
> Denis Beauregard - généalogiste émérite (FQSG)
> Les Français d'Amérique du Nord - http://www.francogene.com/gfan/gfan/998/
> French in North America before 1722 - http://www.francogene.com/gfna/gfna/998/
> Sur cédérom/DVD/USB à 1790 - On CD-ROM/DVD/USB to 1790

Thanks for a bunch of contradicting googled nonsense that helped nobody. There is zero evidence linking "Muss" to "Mius"? Right. Not like Nicolas Muss was best friends with the husband of Jacquelin d'Entremont. Slow clap for you.

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On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 1:24:27 PM UTC-7, Owen Caddell wrote:
> On Sunday, 1 May 2022 at 15:33:41 UTC-7, Denis Beauregard wrote:
> > On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 21:29:12 -0700 (PDT), Owen Caddell
> > <owen...@gmail.com> wrote in soc.genealogy.medieval:
> > >On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 16:36:49 UTC-7, pj.ev...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:14:43 AM UTC-7, Owen Caddell wrote:
> > >> > As far as why the name went from Muss to Mius, this likely has a lot to do with Protestant / Catholic tension. Nicolas Muss was a German translator of Swiss origins. If you were to write the names "Muss" and "Mius" on a chalkboard and ask which looks like the French writing and which looks like the German writing of the
> > pronunciation of the modern "Muise" it's rather obvious that "Muss" is German. This is significant because Germany was a Protestant nation during this time, the early 17th century. To spell your name "Mius" implied you were a Frenchman, a Catholic. What more motivation to change your name do you need than your grandparents being
> > murdered for their faith?
> > A lot of Mius/D'Entremont tested their DNA and thus far, no
> > French link.
> >
> > Muise is not a "modern" pronunciation but adaptation to English.
> >
> > Muir is a common English name and its sounds like m-ee-your, so
> > similar to muise sounding like m-ee-youz, not far from French
> > m-ee-ouss.
> >
> > http://www.geopatronyme.com/
> >
> > 49 occurences in France, 44 in Seine-Maritime, which is Normandy.
> > It can be from descendants of Acadians more than cousins of Acadians.
> >
> > https://gbkcouples.geneabank.org/nom/?name=mius&place=&start=&end=
> >
> > First occurence in this database in Puy de Dôme, which is more South
> > of France.
> >
> > 5 for a mother, Gaspard BUNEL m Marie MIUS before 1675 (3) and
> > 2 where the godmother is Marie Mius.
> >
> > Also, a lot of Miousse or Musse. But there is no evidence the
> > Mius could be Musse.
> > Denis
> >
> > --
> > Denis Beauregard - généalogiste émérite (FQSG)
> > Les Français d'Amérique du Nord - http://www.francogene.com/gfan/gfan/998/
> > French in North America before 1722 - http://www.francogene.com/gfna/gfna/998/
> > Sur cédérom/DVD/USB à 1790 - On CD-ROM/DVD/USB to 1790
> Thanks for a bunch of contradicting googled nonsense that helped nobody. There is zero evidence linking "Muss" to "Mius"? Right. Not like Nicolas Muss was best friends with the husband of Jacquelin d'Entremont. Slow clap for you.

Congratulations for proving that you aren't interested in expert opinion. Or evidence.

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I am wondering if anyone has any thoughts about when the Mius d'Entremont family would have converted from being Huguenots to Catholics. My assumption that Philippe was Huguenot is based on the fact that his (as most believe) grandfather Nicolas was the German translator for a very powerful Protestant Admiral Coligny. I also believe Philippe may have left France in the first place due to Catholic pressure. That Philippe was a good friend of Charles de La Tour is another indication of his being a member of the Religion. At the very least Charles' father Claude was a Protestant whom sided with Scottish in the New World. My belief that the present d'Entremonts are Catholic stems from the fact that the famed honourable historian goes by "Father" Clarence d'Entremont and to my knowledge to call oneself "Father" is rather Catholic. Said d'Entremont, along with the lovely Bernice who runs the Pubnico museum, seem very uninterested in discussing pre-settlement Mius d'Entremont history nor the possibility that Philippe is actually a descendant of Admiral Coligny. I understand that Philippe's youngest son Philippe ll married and lived amongst the Mi'kmaq, this family birthing many important Mi'kmaq chiefs over the proceeding centuries bearing the surname "Muise." I also understand that the Mi'kmaq are mostly a Roman Catholic people since European invasion. My question is, when did the conversion of Mius d'Entremonts from Huguenot to Catholic occur and under what pressures? Thanks guys.

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Also, if anyone has a download link to Acadian Spirit: The Legacy of Philippe Mius d'Entremont, please share!!

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 by: Denis Beauregard - Sat, 28 May 2022 18:05 UTC

On Fri, 27 May 2022 23:00:41 -0700 (PDT), jason bateman
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>I am wondering if anyone has any thoughts about when the Mius d'Entremont family would have converted from being Huguenots to Catholics.

unsupported fact. THere is no proof Mius converted from Protestant
(Huguenots are protestants who left France, so you can't convert
from huguenot and remain in France while you can convert between
catholic and protestant).

>My assumption that Philippe was Huguenot is based on the fact that his (as most believe) grandfather Nicolas was the German translator for a very powerful Protestant Admiral Coligny.

But there is no relationship here.

>I also believe Philippe may have left France in the first place due to Catholic pressure. That Philippe was a good friend of Charles de La Tour is another indication of his being a member of the Religion. At the very least Charles' father Claude was a Protestant whom sided with Scottish in the New World.

Again, based on something not proven. Claude was not a protestant but
decided to stay in Acadia, perhaps living with Natives.

>My belief that the present d'Entremonts are Catholic stems from the fact that the famed honourable historian goes by "Father" Clarence d'Entremont and to my knowledge to call oneself "Father" is rather Catholic. Said d'Entremont, along with the lovely Bernice who runs the Pubnico museum, seem very uninterested in discussing
pre-settlement Mius d'Entremont history nor
>the possibility that Philippe is actually a descendant of Admiral Coligny.

But there is no basis for that, absolutely no basis. 2 unrelated
families.

>I understand that Philippe's youngest son Philippe ll married and lived amongst the Mi'kmaq, this family birthing many important Mi'kmaq chiefs over the proceeding centuries bearing the surname "Muise." I also understand that the Mi'kmaq are mostly a Roman Catholic people since European invasion. My question is, when did the
conversion of Mius d'Entremonts from Huguenot to Catholic occur and under what pressures? Thanks guys.

This "conversion" can't be found because it didn't exist.

Please use facts to argue.

Denis

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 by: Denis Beauregard - Sat, 28 May 2022 18:49 UTC

On Fri, 27 May 2022 23:00:41 -0700 (PDT), jason bateman
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>I am wondering if anyone has any thoughts about when the Mius d'Entremont family would have converted from being Huguenots to Catholics.

There is a lot of Mius who tested their Y DNA. So, if you can find
a French candidate to compare, this question will be answered...

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Mius-dEntremont?iframe=ycolorized

Denis

P.S. I don't know who is that Mius from Normandy. I took over the
Mius project because it was orphan.

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Hello Denis thank you for your reply.

I am wondering if you have read Fortune and La Tour by Marjorie Macdonald? She goes over in detail Claude's Protestant leanings and Charles' relationship with Protestant New English, who tolerated him and fought alongside him against the Catholic d'Aulnay, tolerating La Tour due to his Protestant leanings. As well, Charles' second daughter Antoinette who had the beautiful singing voice was enlisted into a Protestant Convent by Charles upon her arrival in France. I would like to see any proof you have that Charles was Catholic? As far as Claude's life in Acadia, it is actually well-documented that he lived in a small yet comfortable shack alongside Charles outside of his fort after his humiliating defeat. What exactly is not proven? That he sided with Scottish? That is surely proven if you read any documentation. Again, siding with Protestant Scots is something a Catholic would likely not do. The reason Charles didn't give up his fort and join the Scottish was his loyalty to the French language, not due to his allegiance to Catholicism..

I am wondering if you are aware that Jacquelin d'Entremonts is the second wife of Admiral Coligny? Do you suppose this is, in fact, not someone that the d'Entremonts of Acadia have any genealogical association with?

Thanks Denis

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 by: Denis Beauregard - Sun, 29 May 2022 16:54 UTC

On Sat, 28 May 2022 16:00:02 -0700 (PDT), jason bateman
<jasonbateman40@gmail.com> wrote in soc.genealogy.medieval:

>Hello Denis thank you for your reply.
>
>I am wondering if you have read Fortune and La Tour by Marjorie Macdonald? She goes over in detail Claude's Protestant leanings and Charles' relationship with Protestant New English, who tolerated him and fought alongside him against the Catholic d'Aulnay, tolerating La Tour due to his Protestant leanings. As well, Charles' second
daughter Antoinette who had the beautiful singing voice was enlisted into a Protestant Convent by Charles upon her arrival in France. I would like to see any proof you have that Charles was Catholic? As far as Claude's life in Acadia, it is actually well-documented that he lived in a small yet comfortable shack alongside Charles
outside of his fort after his humiliating defeat. What exactly is not proven? That he sided with Scottish? That is surely proven if you read any documentation. Again, siding with Protestant Scots is something a Catholic would likely not do. The reason Charles didn't give up his fort and join the Scottish was his loyalty to the
>French language, not due to his allegiance to Catholicism.
>
>I am wondering if you are aware that Jacquelin d'Entremonts is the second wife of Admiral Coligny? Do you suppose this is, in fact, not someone that the d'Entremonts of Acadia have any genealogical association with?

All that Coligny hypothesis is from the time when there were almost
no databases for commoners so that people focussed on the only things
they can found, nobility. But there are now databases. So in Normandy,
there is:

Pierre Mius, born 1667, from
Sassetot-le-Mauconduit, 76663, Seine-Maritime
Saint-Martin-aux-Buneaux, 76, Seine Maritime

https://gw.geneanet.org/blackfoot27?lang=en&pz=raymond+rene&nz=krausse&p=pierre&n=mius&oc=1
https://gw.geneanet.org/polo541?lang=en&pz=clement+philibert&nz=fayolle&p=guillaume&n=mius

Charles Mius born 1663 (father is Letellier, typo ?)
Saint-Martin-aux-Buneaux, 76, Seine Maritime
https://gw.geneanet.org/francoise39?lang=fr&iz=0&p=charles&n=mius&oc=1

These towns are not indexed in Geneabank but some are on Geneanet.

Saint-Martin-aux-Buneaux
5 Mius born in 1600-1650 but many gaps.

Sassetot-le-Mauconduit
The geneanet extract is from 1793 only

So, before looking for some prestigious ancestor, you should focus
on records available. There are many different Mius families in
Normandy when Philippe was born.

Denis

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Hello Denis

Why do you suppose Philippe would have been given the title of Lieutenant Governor of Acadie and given such a large strip of land (Pobomcoup), if he was not some sort of prestigious person?

Thanks Denis

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 by: Denis Beauregard - Sun, 29 May 2022 18:17 UTC

On Sun, 29 May 2022 10:22:55 -0700 (PDT), Owen Caddell
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>Hello Denis
>
>Why do you suppose Philippe would have been given the title of Lieutenant Governor of Acadie and given such a large strip of land (Pobomcoup), if he was not some sort of prestigious person?

There is no provable nobility for many people in New France, where
early documents were not destroyed, so why not ?

For example, Champlain, Louis Hebert (first colonist with a family),
Pierre Boucher de Boucherville, etc.

My own ancestor, Jarret de Beauregard, has a "fief" which is a noble
land, without any nobility while his half-brother, Jarret de Verchères
and his uncle Pecaudy de Contrecoeur have traces in France but no
proven nobility either. There are seigneuries de Verchèrs and de
Contrecoeur. Their "noble" ancestor was only a sergeant.

That said, if the Mius I found are close cousins, then it should be
possible to find lands in old French maps with names like Azy or
Pobomcoup or Entremont.

Denis

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I'm sorry I really tried to leave this alone but I just can't: You are really hypothesizing about a region in France called Pobomcoup? I'm sorry but I can't put this politely - that is an incredibly stupid thing to say. Pobomcoup is quite obviously a Mi'kmaq word, if you studied their language for about five minutes that would become obvious, Pogomkook is written on Samuel de Champlain's early maps of Acadie. Like that is just such a stupid thing to say to the point where I feel you have some sort of clear bias against the d'Entremonts, perhaps you are a descendant of Charles d'Aulnay and carry some sort of bitterness over the fact that your ancestor was a puke and a dishonourable liar. I also can't let go how foolish you sound arguing Charles La Tour was Catholic. Literally every book about the man states clearly he was a Protestant. Like have you ever even read a book? Or are you just interested in attempting to sabotage the d'Entremont name? You are a disgrace to the whole concept of research my friend.

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 by: Denis Beauregard - Thu, 21 Jul 2022 21:58 UTC

On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 10:33:27 -0700 (PDT), Owen Caddell
<owencadd@gmail.com> wrote in soc.genealogy.medieval:

>I'm sorry I really tried to leave this alone but I just can't: You are really hypothesizing about a region in France called Pobomcoup? I'm sorry but I can't put this politely - that is an incredibly stupid thing to say. Pobomcoup is quite obviously a Mi'kmaq word, if you studied their language for about five minutes that would
become obvious, Pogomkook is written on Samuel de Champlain's early maps of Acadie. Like that is just such a stupid thing to say to the point where I feel you have some sort of clear bias against the d'Entremonts, perhaps you are a descendant of Charles d'Aulnay and carry some sort of bitterness over the fact that your ancestor was
a puke and a dishonourable liar. I also can't let go how foolish you sound arguing Charles La Tour was Catholic. Literally every book about the man states clearly he was a Protestant. Like have you ever even read a book? Or are you just interested in attempting to sabotage the d'Entremont name? You are a disgrace to the whole
concept
>of research my friend.

Not only you don't cite the article to which you answer, but you
forget about the obvious. There are Mius in Normandy in France so
Philippe Mius d'Entremont is a Mius from Normandy (confirmed by
Y DNA) and not related to some Musse family.

Denis

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 by: Pierrette Dentremont - Mon, 30 Jan 2023 19:57 UTC

On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 6:58:55 PM UTC-3, Denis Beauregard wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 10:33:27 -0700 (PDT), Owen Caddell
> <owen...> wrote in soc.genealogy.medieval:
> >I'm sorry I really tried to leave this alone but I just can't: You are really hypothesizing about a region in France called Pobomcoup? I'm sorry but I can't put this politely - that is an incredibly stupid thing to say. Pobomcoup is quite obviously a Mi'kmaq word, if you studied their language for about five minutes that would
> become obvious, Pogomkook is written on Samuel de Champlain's early maps of Acadie. Like that is just such a stupid thing to say to the point where I feel you have some sort of clear bias against the d'Entremonts, perhaps you are a descendant of Charles d'Aulnay and carry some sort of bitterness over the fact that your ancestor was
> a puke and a dishonourable liar. I also can't let go how foolish you sound arguing Charles La Tour was Catholic. Literally every book about the man states clearly he was a Protestant. Like have you ever even read a book? Or are you just interested in attempting to sabotage the d'Entremont name? You are a disgrace to the whole
> concept
> >of research my friend.
> Not only you don't cite the article to which you answer, but you
> forget about the obvious. There are Mius in Normandy in France so
> Philippe Mius d'Entremont is a Mius from Normandy (confirmed by
> Y DNA) and not related to some Musse family.
> Denis
>
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Wow, what a thread!

After reading, I think that Denis is mostly correct (not sure what the "lands in old French maps with names like Azy or
Pobomcoup or Entremont" is though. Pobomcoup/Pogomkook/Pomcoup/Pubnico is of Mi'kmaq root.).

If we could find some European descendants of the old Mius line, that would be great. Before, hopping to the nobility link which seems to more of a stretch, if not a dead end. A previous post referred to a Smith, but the idea came about through the research of H. Léander d'Entremont (the uncle of F. Clarence d'Entremont). However, François Virginie Bon, comte d'Entremont et de Montbel (1601 - 1671) seems to have been the actual son of Claude-Antoine d'Albon/Bon/de Meuillon and Béatrice de Coligny.

From quite a phew d'Entremont relatives (direct to Philippe Mius d'Entremont) Y-DNA haplogroup is 'E1b1b1'. Finding more in Europe to match would be needed. I think one match was found, a Mius, with a link tracing pre-deportation to Haute-Normandie. More mtDNA would be needed I think (not quite current on this).

I hope that helps clear up some confusion, though I doubt it will change the wiki and hundreds or other pages ;)

Pierrette d'Entremont

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 by: Denis Beauregard - Wed, 1 Feb 2023 05:32 UTC

On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 11:57:31 -0800 (PST), Pierrette Dentremont
<pierrette@sentiolife.com> wrote in soc.genealogy.medieval:

>On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 6:58:55 PM UTC-3, Denis Beauregard wrote:

>> Not only you don't cite the article to which you answer, but you
>> forget about the obvious. There are Mius in Normandy in France so
>> Philippe Mius d'Entremont is a Mius from Normandy (confirmed by
>> Y DNA) and not related to some Musse family.

>If we could find some European descendants of the old Mius line, that would be great. Before, hopping to the nobility link which seems to more of a stretch, if not a dead end. A previous post referred to a Smith, but the idea came about through the research of H. Léander d'Entremont (the uncle of F. Clarence d'Entremont). However,
François Virginie Bon, comte d'Entremont et de Montbel (1601 - 1671) seems to have been the actual son of Claude-Antoine d'Albon/Bon/de Meuillon and Béatrice de Coligny.

You should read the whole message. See the part I kept. THERE IS A
MIUS FROM NORMANDY who is matching the Y DNA.

>From quite a phew d'Entremont relatives (direct to Philippe Mius d'Entremont) Y-DNA haplogroup is 'E1b1b1'. Finding more in Europe to match would be needed. I think one match was found, a Mius, with a link tracing pre-deportation to Haute-Normandie. More mtDNA would be needed I think (not quite current on this).

mtDNA won't help to confirm a male lineage but there is known mtDNA
for Madeleine Helie. But a female lineage is harder to find as the
name is changed for each generation.

Denis

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 by: Peter de Loriol Chan - Sat, 4 Feb 2023 17:21 UTC

On Wednesday, 1 February 2023 at 05:33:02 UTC, Denis Beauregard wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 11:57:31 -0800 (PST), Pierrette Dentremont
> <pier...@sentiolife.com> wrote in soc.genealogy.medieval:
> >On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 6:58:55 PM UTC-3, Denis Beauregard wrote:
>
> >> Not only you don't cite the article to which you answer, but you
> >> forget about the obvious. There are Mius in Normandy in France so
> >> Philippe Mius d'Entremont is a Mius from Normandy (confirmed by
> >> Y DNA) and not related to some Musse family.
> >If we could find some European descendants of the old Mius line, that would be great. Before, hopping to the nobility link which seems to more of a stretch, if not a dead end. A previous post referred to a Smith, but the idea came about through the research of H. Léander d'Entremont (the uncle of F. Clarence d'Entremont). However,
> François Virginie Bon, comte d'Entremont et de Montbel (1601 - 1671) seems to have been the actual son of Claude-Antoine d'Albon/Bon/de Meuillon and Béatrice de Coligny.
> You should read the whole message. See the part I kept. THERE IS A
> MIUS FROM NORMANDY who is matching the Y DNA.
> >From quite a phew d'Entremont relatives (direct to Philippe Mius d'Entremont) Y-DNA haplogroup is 'E1b1b1'. Finding more in Europe to match would be needed. I think one match was found, a Mius, with a link tracing pre-deportation to Haute-Normandie. More mtDNA would be needed I think (not quite current on this).
> mtDNA won't help to confirm a male lineage but there is known mtDNA
> for Madeleine Helie. But a female lineage is harder to find as the
> name is changed for each generation.
> Denis
>
> --
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> French in North America before 1722 - http://www.francogene.com/gfna/gfna/998/
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This is what I have:
La qualité d’écuyer et le titre de sieur d’Entremont figurent dans les lettres de concession de Pobomcoup (aujourd'hui Pubnico en Nouvelle Écosse) ainsi que sur l’Abrégé du rôle des familles de l’Acadie fait par le sieur Randin, envoyé de Monseigneur Colbert, de Québec, le 8 novembre 1671.

François Edmé Rameau de Saint-Père, Une colonie féodale en Amérique, l'Acadie, 1604-1881, vol. 2, p. 412, cite les lettres du 17 juillet 1653 par lesquelles le gouverneur d’Acadie Charles de Saint-Etienne, seigneur de La Tour accorda le fief Pobomcoup à Philippe Mius d’Entremont « Fut présent et comparu personnellement Haut et puissant seigneur, Charles de Saint-Etienne, seigneur de La Tour, chevallier des ordres du Roy, et son lieutenant-général dans toute l'intendue des terres, illes et côtes de l'Acadie, pays de Nouvelle France, et propriétaire du lieux dit Vieux Logis, autrement Pipegueniche, suivant et conformément à la concession qu'il en a eu, daté du quinsième janvier mil six cent trente six : [...] le reçu [...] et volontairement a reconnue et confessé avoir par ces présents, baillé et délaissé à perpétuité à titre de baronnage et fief noble, ayant justice haute, moyenne et basse relevant directement du dit lieu nommé le Vieux Logis, la dite côte d'Acadie, comme fief dominant : A noble homme Philippe Mieus, écuyer, sieur d'Entremont, et damoiselle Magdeleine, sa femme, et noble homme Pierre Ferrand et damoiselle Mathurine Sicard, sa femme, à ce présent et acceptant pour eux, leurs hoirs et ayant cause ; en vertu du pouvoir à nous donné par Sa Majesté et au désire de ses lettres patants, en datte du vingt cinq février mil six cent cinquante, et, comme aussi en considération du mérite particulier des dits sieurs d'Entremont et Ferrand et des bons et fidèles services qu'ils nous ont personnellement randus.

Avoir donné et octroyé, donnons et octroyons par ses présents aux dits sieurs d’Entremont et Ferrant et à leurs ditte femmes, par égale participation, l'étendue d'une lieux de large sur quatre de profondeur, au lieu dit Pombkoup, pour en jouir par les dits impétriens, leurs successeurs et ayant cause, en toutes propriété, justice et seigneurie à perpétuité, aux dits titres de baronnage, fief noble, relevant du dite lieu, le Vieux Logis, moyannant et à la charge du à l'hommage, et d'un quchipohy de castor, avec deux bouquets, aux jours et fêtes de saint Jean-Baptiste, pour chacun an et au coutume de la prévauté et vicomté de Paris.

Jouirons aussi les dits sieurs d'Entremont et Ferrant, leurs hoirs, successeurs et ayant droit et cause à perpétuité des chasses, à condition d'habiter et faire valoire les dites lieux à eux accordés, et ce faissant le dite seigneur de La Tour es dits noms a jourdy saisy et mis en possession les dits sieurs d'Entremont et Ferrant et leurs dites femmes, des dites terres, fief et baronnage de Pombkoup, promettant et obligeant chacun au droit soy renoncent. Fait passé au fort du Port Royal le 17e jour de juillet 1653, en présence de témoins cy après ; ont signé : Charles de Saint-Etienne, Emmanuel Le Borgne [ sera à son tour gouverneur d’Acadie entre 1657 et 1667], De Saint-Mas, Philippe Mieus d'Entremont, Pierre Ferrant, Magdeleine Helis, Mathurine Sicard, La Verdure ».

I descend from the Montbel d'Entremont as well as the de Coligny, if it is of any interest. My family was Bressane.
I was of the same opinion as the late Addams Reitweisner on the Mius connection to the dynasties of the Montbel and Coligny. His family was from Normandy, not form the Eastern part of France. the original grantor was also 'sieur' d'Entremonts which may refer to a piece of land in Acadie, not the 8000 odd hectares of Land of the baronie d'Entremont in Bresse.
Peter

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 by: Denis Beauregard - Sat, 4 Feb 2023 20:47 UTC

On Sat, 4 Feb 2023 09:21:09 -0800 (PST), Peter de Loriol Chandieu
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>I descend from the Montbel d'Entremont as well as the de Coligny, if it is of any interest. My family was Bressane.
>I was of the same opinion as the late Addams Reitweisner on the Mius connection to the dynasties of the Montbel and Coligny. His family was from Normandy, not form the Eastern part of France. the original grantor was also 'sieur' d'Entremonts which may refer to a piece of land in Acadie, not the 8000 odd hectares of Land of the
baronie d'Entremont in Bresse.

Indeed, nothing links the Mius to the Coligny except that
"d'Entremont" title. And Y DNA is linking the Mius to a French
family (while I am still trying to find some French record about
the French cousins).

Denis

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On Saturday, 4 February 2023 at 12:47:38 UTC-8, Denis Beauregard wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Feb 2023 09:21:09 -0800 (PST), Peter de Loriol Chandieu
> <peterdelor...@gmail.com> wrote in soc.genealogy.medieval:
> >I descend from the Montbel d'Entremont as well as the de Coligny, if it is of any interest. My family was Bressane.
> >I was of the same opinion as the late Addams Reitweisner on the Mius connection to the dynasties of the Montbel and Coligny. His family was from Normandy, not form the Eastern part of France. the original grantor was also 'sieur' d'Entremonts which may refer to a piece of land in Acadie, not the 8000 odd hectares of Land of the
> baronie d'Entremont in Bresse.
> Indeed, nothing links the Mius to the Coligny except that
> "d'Entremont" title. And Y DNA is linking the Mius to a French
> family (while I am still trying to find some French record about
> the French cousins).
> Denis
>
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You're all naive. Sure, there is no official documentation linking Mius to Coligny, although it is 100% worth speculating about the d'Entremont / Coligny Huguenot marriage. You're all really missing the point which is contained in the Huguenot / Catholic differentiation. For Denis to say Philippe was not a noble is one of many laughable allegations on his part. At least two of his sons married Charles La Tour's children. Charles La tour was the Governor of Acadie. Open your eyes. This also proves flat-out Philippe was a Huguenot. Every single book about Charles La Tour states clearly this man was Huguenot, whatever the demented "expert" Beauregard says. (with no sources). So why would Philippe and Charles share a kinship to this degree if they were not Huguenot? Guess who else is Huguenot ooohhh of course the d'Entremonts who basically married THE Huguenot Admiral Coligny. The d'Entremont and La Tour house shared a kinship in France before settling in Acadia. Why would Charles La Tour and d'Aulnay have such beef if they were not Huguenot / Catholic respectively? Why would Charles enlist Protestant Englishmen to fight Catholic d'Aulnay? Open your eyes, people. Denis has a self-interest in sabotaging the d'Entremont name, it is quite obvious. Do not believe his lies. You are royalty.

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 by: Denis Beauregard - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 04:50 UTC

On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 21:10:10 -0700 (PDT), Owen Caddell
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Insulting is your only response when you have definitely no answer.

Plonk.

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On Tuesday, 14 March 2023 at 04:50:28 UTC, Denis Beauregard wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 21:10:10 -0700 (PDT), Owen Caddell
> <owen...@gmail.com> wrote in soc.genealogy.medieval:
>
> Insulting is your only response when you have definitely no answer.
>
> Plonk.
> Denis
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one can theorise as much and as long as anything, but the answer remains that just being called Mius d'Entremont does not proclaim ANY relation to The dynastic family of Montbel d'Entremonts.
Denis is an acknowledge expert on Canadian genealogy. He has, moreover, been proved right 99% of the time, if not 100%. Some many years ago in the heyday of Soc Gen medieval he was a linch-pin of the group and remains so. It bodes ill of anyone who cannot prove without , at the very least, secondary sources backed by primary sources.

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Reviewing his household as recorded in the census, it does not seem like he was rich at all.
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