On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 12:07:04 -0700 (PDT), True North
<princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, 16 March 2022 at 15:01:14 UTC-3, John H wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 06:10:02 -0700 (PDT), True North
>> <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >> >
>> >> >Especially the Ukrainians who become Putins vassels, eh?
>> >> Those people were polled and over 70% said they wanted to be more
>> >> aligned to the Russians. They are Russian Orthodox, speak Russian and
>> >> have a cultural connection with Russia. Why is that any of our
>> >> business?
>> >> If we don't watch what we do, this could be WWIII and that won't be
>> >> good for anyone. It will be nuclear.
>> >
>> >
>> >Y'all have a short memory, Johnny.
>> >What happened when your kinfolk tried to seperate from the rest of 'merica? No one let them go just because the majority of southerners wanted to.
>> Let's wait and see if he can come up with a poll which supports his
>> statement.
>>
>> Donnie, I grew up on a farm in Minnesota.
>>
>> What a fucking dumbass you are.
>
>
>Speaking about "dumbass"
>Anyone with a lick of common sense would know that Greg was talking about that far eastern Dombas region.
>Don't y'all have a ladder laying around that you can climb?

He said 'Ukranians', not 'eastern Ukranians', dumb ass!

Any more comments on my 'southern heritage', dumb shit?

On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 18:55:26 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 13:59:16 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 02:12:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>Especially the Ukrainians who become Putins vassels, eh?
>>>
>>>Those people were polled and over 70% said they wanted to be more
>>>aligned to the Russians. They are Russian Orthodox, speak Russian and
>>>have a cultural connection with Russia. Why is that any of our
>>>business?
>>>If we don't watch what we do, this could be WWIII and that won't be
>>>good for anyone. It will be nuclear.
>>
>>I would surely like to see that poll.
>>
>>This poll, for which I have a link, would tend to contradict your
>>statement:
>>
>>https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/02/18/ukrainians-support-for-joining-nato-hits-record-high-poll-a76442
>
>You are confusing Western, catholic Ukraine with Eastern Russian
>Orthodox Ukraine. I have no doubt the Western Ukrainians have no
>interest in being associated with Russia. The East really just wants
>to be independent of Kiev and that is all Putin asked for.
>
>There have been a few polls with mixed results but it is clear the
>Donbass want to secede from Kiev.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Donbas_status_referendums
>
>2014 poll
> "Do you support the declaration of state independence of the Luhansk
>People's Republic?"?
>
>Yes 96.2%
>No 3.8%
>
>"Are you for maintaining your territorial community within Ukraine and
>reunification with the Dnipropetrovsk Oblast"? (unifying The Donbass)
>Yes 69.1%
>No Against reunification and against separatism 27.2%
>No against separatism 3.7%

I'm not confusing anyone. You didn't specify 'Luhansk People's
Republic' nor the 'Dnipropetrovsk Oblast'.

And, I guess it depends on which poll you prefer. From your link:

"According to a survey conducted by Pew Research Centre from 5–23
April, 18% of eastern Ukrainians were in favour of secession, while
70% wished to remain part of a united Ukraine.[20]."

On Thursday, 17 March 2022 at 19:55:05 UTC-3, John H wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 12:07:04 -0700 (PDT), True North
> <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, 16 March 2022 at 15:01:14 UTC-3, John H wrote:
> >> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 06:10:02 -0700 (PDT), True North
> >> <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Especially the Ukrainians who become Putins vassels, eh?
> >> >> Those people were polled and over 70% said they wanted to be more
> >> >> aligned to the Russians. They are Russian Orthodox, speak Russian and
> >> >> have a cultural connection with Russia. Why is that any of our
> >> >> business?
> >> >> If we don't watch what we do, this could be WWIII and that won't be
> >> >> good for anyone. It will be nuclear.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Y'all have a short memory, Johnny.
> >> >What happened when your kinfolk tried to seperate from the rest of 'merica? No one let them go just because the majority of southerners wanted to.
> >> Let's wait and see if he can come up with a poll which supports his
> >> statement.
> >>
> >> Donnie, I grew up on a farm in Minnesota.
> >>
> >> What a fucking dumbass you are.
> >
> >
> >Speaking about "dumbass"
> >Anyone with a lick of common sense would know that Greg was talking about that far eastern Dombas region.
> >Don't y'all have a ladder laying around that you can climb?
> He said 'Ukranians', not 'eastern Ukranians', dumb ass!
>
> Any more comments on my 'southern heritage', dumb shit?

Wow!
For a supposed senior officer in the US Army y'all sure are a "dumb shit".
As I stated before anyone with a lick of sense knew he was talking about that Dombass region.
Try reading between the lines if y'all can, or get your head up out of your ass and smell the coffee.

On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 16:34:04 -0700 (PDT), True North
<princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, 17 March 2022 at 19:55:05 UTC-3, John H wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 12:07:04 -0700 (PDT), True North
>> <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, 16 March 2022 at 15:01:14 UTC-3, John H wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 06:10:02 -0700 (PDT), True North
>> >> <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Especially the Ukrainians who become Putins vassels, eh?
>> >> >> Those people were polled and over 70% said they wanted to be more
>> >> >> aligned to the Russians. They are Russian Orthodox, speak Russian and
>> >> >> have a cultural connection with Russia. Why is that any of our
>> >> >> business?
>> >> >> If we don't watch what we do, this could be WWIII and that won't be
>> >> >> good for anyone. It will be nuclear.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Y'all have a short memory, Johnny.
>> >> >What happened when your kinfolk tried to seperate from the rest of 'merica? No one let them go just because the majority of southerners wanted to.
>> >> Let's wait and see if he can come up with a poll which supports his
>> >> statement.
>> >>
>> >> Donnie, I grew up on a farm in Minnesota.
>> >>
>> >> What a fucking dumbass you are.
>> >
>> >
>> >Speaking about "dumbass"
>> >Anyone with a lick of common sense would know that Greg was talking about that far eastern Dombas region.
>> >Don't y'all have a ladder laying around that you can climb?
>> He said 'Ukranians', not 'eastern Ukranians', dumb ass!
>>
>> Any more comments on my 'southern heritage', dumb shit?
>
>
>Wow!
>For a supposed senior officer in the US Army y'all sure are a "dumb shit".
>As I stated before anyone with a lick of sense knew he was talking about that Dombass region.
>Try reading between the lines if y'all can, or get your head up out of your ass and smell the coffee.

Punctuate much, dummy?

On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 15:35:38 UTC-3, John H wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 16:34:04 -0700 (PDT), True North
> <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, 17 March 2022 at 19:55:05 UTC-3, John H wrote:
> >> On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 12:07:04 -0700 (PDT), True North
> >> <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wednesday, 16 March 2022 at 15:01:14 UTC-3, John H wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 06:10:02 -0700 (PDT), True North
> >> >> <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Especially the Ukrainians who become Putins vassels, eh?
> >> >> >> Those people were polled and over 70% said they wanted to be more
> >> >> >> aligned to the Russians. They are Russian Orthodox, speak Russian and
> >> >> >> have a cultural connection with Russia. Why is that any of our
> >> >> >> business?
> >> >> >> If we don't watch what we do, this could be WWIII and that won't be
> >> >> >> good for anyone. It will be nuclear.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Y'all have a short memory, Johnny.
> >> >> >What happened when your kinfolk tried to seperate from the rest of 'merica? No one let them go just because the majority of southerners wanted to.
> >> >> Let's wait and see if he can come up with a poll which supports his
> >> >> statement.
> >> >>
> >> >> Donnie, I grew up on a farm in Minnesota.
> >> >>
> >> >> What a fucking dumbass you are.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Speaking about "dumbass"
> >> >Anyone with a lick of common sense would know that Greg was talking about that far eastern Dombas region.
> >> >Don't y'all have a ladder laying around that you can climb?
> >> He said 'Ukranians', not 'eastern Ukranians', dumb ass!
> >>
> >> Any more comments on my 'southern heritage', dumb shit?
> >
> >
> >Wow!
> >For a supposed senior officer in the US Army y'all sure are a "dumb shit".
> >As I stated before anyone with a lick of sense knew he was talking about that Dombass region.
> >Try reading between the lines if y'all can, or get your head up out of your ass and smell the coffee.
> Punctuate much, dummy?

Thanks for proving my point.
Is name calling all ya got? Sad....bigly!

On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 18:54:58 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 12:07:04 -0700 (PDT), True North
><princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, 16 March 2022 at 15:01:14 UTC-3, John H wrote:
>>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 06:10:02 -0700 (PDT), True North
>>> <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Especially the Ukrainians who become Putins vassels, eh?
>>> >> Those people were polled and over 70% said they wanted to be more
>>> >> aligned to the Russians. They are Russian Orthodox, speak Russian and
>>> >> have a cultural connection with Russia. Why is that any of our
>>> >> business?
>>> >> If we don't watch what we do, this could be WWIII and that won't be
>>> >> good for anyone. It will be nuclear.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Y'all have a short memory, Johnny.
>>> >What happened when your kinfolk tried to seperate from the rest of 'merica? No one let them go just because the majority of southerners wanted to.
>>> Let's wait and see if he can come up with a poll which supports his
>>> statement.
>>>
>>> Donnie, I grew up on a farm in Minnesota.
>>>
>>> What a fucking dumbass you are.
>>
>>
>>Speaking about "dumbass"
>>Anyone with a lick of common sense would know that Greg was talking about that far eastern Dombas region.
>>Don't y'all have a ladder laying around that you can climb?
>
>He said 'Ukranians', not 'eastern Ukranians', dumb ass!
>
>Any more comments on my 'southern heritage', dumb shit?

Try to remember the context. We were talking about the people in the
area Putin said should be "independent".

On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 19:01:43 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 18:55:26 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 13:59:16 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 02:12:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Especially the Ukrainians who become Putins vassels, eh?
>>>>
>>>>Those people were polled and over 70% said they wanted to be more
>>>>aligned to the Russians. They are Russian Orthodox, speak Russian and
>>>>have a cultural connection with Russia. Why is that any of our
>>>>business?
>>>>If we don't watch what we do, this could be WWIII and that won't be
>>>>good for anyone. It will be nuclear.
>>>
>>>I would surely like to see that poll.
>>>
>>>This poll, for which I have a link, would tend to contradict your
>>>statement:
>>>
>>>https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/02/18/ukrainians-support-for-joining-nato-hits-record-high-poll-a76442
>>
>>You are confusing Western, catholic Ukraine with Eastern Russian
>>Orthodox Ukraine. I have no doubt the Western Ukrainians have no
>>interest in being associated with Russia. The East really just wants
>>to be independent of Kiev and that is all Putin asked for.
>>
>>There have been a few polls with mixed results but it is clear the
>>Donbass want to secede from Kiev.
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Donbas_status_referendums
>>
>>2014 poll
>> "Do you support the declaration of state independence of the Luhansk
>>People's Republic?"?
>>
>>Yes 96.2%
>>No 3.8%
>>
>>"Are you for maintaining your territorial community within Ukraine and
>>reunification with the Dnipropetrovsk Oblast"? (unifying The Donbass)
>>Yes 69.1%
>>No Against reunification and against separatism 27.2%
>>No against separatism 3.7%
>
>I'm not confusing anyone. You didn't specify 'Luhansk People's
>Republic' nor the 'Dnipropetrovsk Oblast'.
>
>And, I guess it depends on which poll you prefer. From your link:
>
> "According to a survey conducted by Pew Research Centre from 5–23
>April, 18% of eastern Ukrainians were in favour of secession, while
>70% wished to remain part of a united Ukraine.[20]."

I was just talking about the one Wiki thought was important enough to
put in the sidebar.
Maybe we need a cease fire and another poll.
I doubt Kiev would win.