RadioGenova@RadioGenova:
"Von der Leyen threatens the Italians: "We will see the result of
the vote in Italy. If things go in a difficult direction, we have tools,
as in the case of Poland and Hungary." A desperate attempt to
influence the vote in Italy that runs towards the far right.
Game over Ursula!"

Ano, kazdy kraj ma swojego Tuska, znaczy ten niemiecki
"tool" Ursuli. Ciekawe, kogo wytypuja w Italii?

--
Smart questions to stupid answers

brat_olin wrote:
>
> RadioGenova@RadioGenova:
> "Von der Leyen threatens the Italians: "We will see the result of
> the vote in Italy. If things go in a difficult direction, we have tools,
> as in the case of Poland and Hungary." A desperate attempt to
> influence the vote in Italy that runs towards the far right.
> Game over Ursula!"
>
> Ano, kazdy kraj ma swojego Tuska, znaczy ten niemiecki
> "tool" Ursuli. Ciekawe, kogo wytypuja w Italii?
>
Ursula von!

--
Smart questions to stupid answers

brat_olin wrote:
> brat_olin wrote:
>
> > RadioGenova@RadioGenova:
> > "Von der Leyen threatens the Italians: "We will see the result of
> > the vote in Italy. If things go in a difficult direction, we have tools,
> > as in the case of Poland and Hungary." A desperate attempt to
> > influence the vote in Italy that runs towards the far right.
> > Game over Ursula!"
>
> > Ano, kazdy kraj ma swojego Tuska, znaczy ten niemiecki
> > "tool" Ursuli. Ciekawe, kogo wytypuja w Italii?
>
> Ursula von!
>
Ursula chyba rozjuszyla Wlochow:
https://twitter.com/piwolejnik/status/1573659742894972928

--
Smart questions to stupid answers

Jak sie skonczylo w Szwecji, panie Leszku? Czy juz wiadomo ostatecznie kto rzadzi, bo nie sledzilem.

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 6:38:41 AM UTC-3, brat_olin wrote:
> RadioGenova@RadioGenova:
> "Von der Leyen threatens the Italians: "We will see the result of
> the vote in Italy. If things go in a difficult direction, we have tools,
> as in the case of Poland and Hungary." A desperate attempt to
> influence the vote in Italy that runs towards the far right.
> Game over Ursula!"
>
> Ano, kazdy kraj ma swojego Tuska, znaczy ten niemiecki
> "tool" Ursuli. Ciekawe, kogo wytypuja w Italii?
>
> --
> Smart questions to stupid answers

brat_olin napisał(a):

> Ursula chyba rozjuszyla Wlochow:
> https://twitter.com/piwolejnik/status/1573659742894972928

Sorosy podrzucały włochom afrykanów przez dobrych kilka lat, akcja = reakcja.

cyrylme...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Jak sie skonczylo w Szwecji, panie Leszku? Czy juz wiadomo
> ostatecznie kto rzadzi, bo nie sledzilem.
>
Nie wszystko jeszcze wiadomo. Wygrala "far" prawica, ale taka typowo
szwedzka, znaczy typowi centrysci, w rozumieniu polskiej polityki.
Musza utworzyc rzad z innymi partiami, tez "prawicowymi" w szwedzkim
rozumieniu. Teraz jest walka o to, kto zostanie sejmowym Speaker:

https://www.thelocal.se/20220923/explained-why-is-swedens-parliamentary-speaker-election-so-important/

Why is Sweden’s parliamentary speaker election so important?
Sweden's parliamentary speaker is second only to the King in terms of formal rank. The prospect of a Sweden Democrat speaker taking over the role from popular Moderate Andreas Norlén has sparked debate. Here's why.
Published: 23 September 2022 14:26 CEST

On Monday, Sweden’s newly-elected parliament will elect a new speaker – talman in Swedish, but it’s still not clear who is likely to take over the post from Moderate Andreas Norlén, who has held the position since 2018.

How is a speaker candidate usually chosen?

There is no formal rule on how a speaker candidate is nominated, with the Social Democrats usually insisting the largest party supplies the speaker, and the Moderates arguing that the largest party in their bloc should provide the speaker.

Until now, that has meant that the Social Democrats believe the speaker should be a Social Democrat, and the Moderates believe the speaker should be a Moderate.

However, with the Sweden Democrats now the second-largest party in Sweden’s parliament, they have made claims on the speaker post, as they are now the largest party in their bloc, meaning under the Moderates’ rules, they should supply the speaker.

This has made the question of who should take over as the new speaker unusually charged.

Often – but not always, the speaker has been from the same party or bloc as the government. However, there are examples, such as in the case of Norlén, who has held the post despite there being a Social Democrat government for the last eight years, as there was a majority supporting him in parliament.

How is the speaker elected?

The first time parliament meets after an election, members of parliament (MPs) decide which MP will become the parliamentary speaker and which three MPs will become the deputy speakers. These four speakers are elected in separate ballots, first the speaker, then the first deputy speaker, the second deputy speaker and the third deputy speaker.

The candidates are nominated by parliamentary party groups, after which a secret ballot is held where each MP votes anonymously. To be successful, a speaker candidate must secure a majority of votes – 175.

If no candidate secures a majority, another vote is held, where a candidate must still gain 175 or more votes to win.

If no candidate is successful, a third vote is held, where the candidate with the most votes is elected – they do not need a majority.

If the third vote ends in a tie between two candidates, lots are drawn to determine which candidate is elected speaker.

A speaker is elected for an entire election period – they cannot be removed by parliament during this period, and the role can only change hands after a new parliamentary election, which usually means that a speaker sits for four years at a time.

What does the speaker do?

The speaker – aside from being the second-highest ranking official in the country after the King – holds a prestigious position.

They do not have political influence and, if elected, must resign from their role as a member of parliament. But they have an important role to play in building a government, nominating Sweden’s new prime minister after an election and dismissing the prime minister if they lose a no-confidence vote.

Although there are checks on these powers – a new prime minister must be approved by parliament before they take power – a speaker could, theoretically, nominate four prime ministerial candidates to parliament in succession, knowing that each would lose a parliamentary vote, and thereby trigger a general election.

The speaker could also theoretically refuse to nominate a prime ministerial candidate despite them being the leader of the largest bloc, although this has never happened in practice.

It is also impossible for parliament to remove a speaker once they are elected, unless a new parliamentary election is held and an entire new parliament is elected, meaning that if a speaker were to misuse their powers, it would be difficult for parliament to replace them.

The speaker is the main representative of parliament, leading and planning parliamentary activities. The speaker is chairman of meetings in the parliamentary chamber and is an official representative for Sweden at home and abroad.

Why would it be controversial if the Sweden Democrats supplied the speaker?

Electing a Sweden Democrat speaker would be a win for the far-right party, as a confirmation that the party has finally been accepted into the corridors of power.

According to a source at newspaper Aftonbladet, the four parties backing Moderate Party leader Ulf Kristersson to become Sweden’s next prime minister have already agreed on stricter migration and crime policies, as well as who should be voted in as speaker of the country’s parliament when the role goes up for a vote on Monday.

Multiple parties in the left-wing bloc have objected to a Sweden Democrat supplying the speaker, with outgoing Social Democrat Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson stating that her party is willing to collaborate with the Moderates and reelect Andreas Norlén as Sweden’s speaker instead in order to avoid a Sweden Democrat taking on the role.

Andersson said her party would be willing to “make an exception” to its principle. “We think there are arguments at this time, to have a speaker who can be appointed with very broad support in the parliament. What’s important is that it’s someone who can bring people together, either a Social Democrat or a Moderate”.

“I can state that Andreas Norlén enjoys great respect, both in the parliament, and among the Swedish people,” she said. “He has handled his duties creditably and during a turbulent time, and a problematic parliamentary situation.”

She said she was offering to discuss the issue with Kristersson to avoid the risk of a Sweden Democrat speaker, something she said would be “problematic”.

“This is a party whose whole rationale is to split rather than unite. This is also about the picture of Sweden overseas.”

Moderate Party leader Ulf Kristersson has not responded to Andersson’s comments.

There are also some MPs in the Liberal Party – who have agreed to support a Moderate-led government alongside the Sweden Democrats – who have stated they will not approve a government with Sweden Democrat ministers, and may also vote against letting them have the role of speaker.

Sweden Democrat Björn Söder, who held the role of deputy speaker between 2014-18, is a possible candidate for the far-right party. Söder is a controversial figure, having previously stated that Jewish people and Sami are “not Swedes”, leading to calls that he is not suitable for a role as a representative for all of Sweden.

Söder has also previously likened homosexuality to pedophilia and bestiality, stating in an article on the Sweden Democrats’ official online news site that “these sexual aversions are not normal and will never be normal”.

A public petition against electing Björn Söder as parliament’s new speaker had over 65,000 signatures as of September 23rd.

“We would very much like for a broad agreement to be reached around the Speaker,” Sweden’s outgoing Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson told the Dagens Nyheter newspaper. “This is the second-highest ranking post in the kingdom and the highest elected position.”

The Aftonbladet newspaper reported on Wednesday that the post of Speaker was a key part of the negotiations between the Moderate, Sweden Democrat, Christian Democrat and Liberal parties, with the Sweden Democrats presumably seeking to appoint a senior party figure to the post.

As the vote is a secret ballot, the newspaper reported, there is concern in the negotiations that enough MPs from the Liberal Party, or even other parties, will break ranks and not vote for the agreed choice.

READ ALSO: Sweden’s right-wing bloc ‘agreed on stricter migration policy’

According to Dagens Nyheter, Andersson has already contacted Moderate Party leader to discuss the possibility of having a Moderate Party figure in the post.

In the past, the Social Democrats have argued that the biggest party in the parliament should have the Speaker position, whereas the Moderates have historically argued that it should be the biggest party in the ruling bloc.

Andersson said her party would be willing to “make an exception” to its principle. “We think there are arguments at this time, to have a Speaker who can be appointed with very broad support in the parliament. What’s important is that it’s someone who can bring people together, either a Social Democrat or a Moderate”.

The outgoing Speaker, Andreas Norlén, is popular both within the parliament and outside it, given the steady way he has handled an unusually turbulent two terms.

“I can state that Andreas Norlén enjoys great respect, both in the parliament, and among the Swedish people,” she said. “He has handled his duties creditably and during a turbulent time, and a problematic parliamentary situation.”

She said she was offering to discuss the issue with Kristersson to avoid the risk of a Sweden Democrat Speaker, something she said would be “problematic”.

On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 12:02:27 PM UTC-3, brat_olin wrote:
> cyrylme...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Jak sie skonczylo w Szwecji, panie Leszku? Czy juz wiadomo
> > ostatecznie kto rzadzi, bo nie sledzilem.
> >
> Nie wszystko jeszcze wiadomo. Wygrala "far" prawica, ale taka typowo
> szwedzka, znaczy typowi centrysci, w rozumieniu polskiej polityki.
> Musza utworzyc rzad z innymi partiami, tez "prawicowymi" w szwedzkim
> rozumieniu. Teraz jest walka o to, kto zostanie sejmowym Speaker:
>
> https://www.thelocal.se/20220923/explained-why-is-swedens-parliamentary-speaker-election-so-important/
>
> Why is Sweden’s parliamentary speaker election so important?
> Sweden's parliamentary speaker is second only to the King in terms of formal rank. The prospect of a Sweden Democrat speaker taking over the role from popular Moderate Andreas Norlén has sparked debate. Here's why.
> Published: 23 September 2022 14:26 CEST
>
> On Monday, Sweden’s newly-elected parliament will elect a new speaker – talman in Swedish, but it’s still not clear who is likely to take over the post from Moderate Andreas Norlén, who has held the position since 2018.
>
> How is a speaker candidate usually chosen?
>
> There is no formal rule on how a speaker candidate is nominated, with the Social Democrats usually insisting the largest party supplies the speaker, and the Moderates arguing that the largest party in their bloc should provide the speaker.
>
> Until now, that has meant that the Social Democrats believe the speaker should be a Social Democrat, and the Moderates believe the speaker should be a Moderate.
>
> However, with the Sweden Democrats now the second-largest party in Sweden’s parliament, they have made claims on the speaker post, as they are now the largest party in their bloc, meaning under the Moderates’ rules, they should supply the speaker.
>
> This has made the question of who should take over as the new speaker unusually charged.
>
> Often – but not always, the speaker has been from the same party or bloc as the government. However, there are examples, such as in the case of Norlén, who has held the post despite there being a Social Democrat government for the last eight years, as there was a majority supporting him in parliament.
>
> How is the speaker elected?
>
> The first time parliament meets after an election, members of parliament (MPs) decide which MP will become the parliamentary speaker and which three MPs will become the deputy speakers. These four speakers are elected in separate ballots, first the speaker, then the first deputy speaker, the second deputy speaker and the third deputy speaker.
>
> The candidates are nominated by parliamentary party groups, after which a secret ballot is held where each MP votes anonymously. To be successful, a speaker candidate must secure a majority of votes – 175.
>
> If no candidate secures a majority, another vote is held, where a candidate must still gain 175 or more votes to win.
>
> If no candidate is successful, a third vote is held, where the candidate with the most votes is elected – they do not need a majority.
>
> If the third vote ends in a tie between two candidates, lots are drawn to determine which candidate is elected speaker.
>
> A speaker is elected for an entire election period – they cannot be removed by parliament during this period, and the role can only change hands after a new parliamentary election, which usually means that a speaker sits for four years at a time.
>
> What does the speaker do?
>
> The speaker – aside from being the second-highest ranking official in the country after the King – holds a prestigious position.
>
> They do not have political influence and, if elected, must resign from their role as a member of parliament. But they have an important role to play in building a government, nominating Sweden’s new prime minister after an election and dismissing the prime minister if they lose a no-confidence vote.
>
> Although there are checks on these powers – a new prime minister must be approved by parliament before they take power – a speaker could, theoretically, nominate four prime ministerial candidates to parliament in succession, knowing that each would lose a parliamentary vote, and thereby trigger a general election.
>
> The speaker could also theoretically refuse to nominate a prime ministerial candidate despite them being the leader of the largest bloc, although this has never happened in practice.
>
> It is also impossible for parliament to remove a speaker once they are elected, unless a new parliamentary election is held and an entire new parliament is elected, meaning that if a speaker were to misuse their powers, it would be difficult for parliament to replace them.
>
> The speaker is the main representative of parliament, leading and planning parliamentary activities. The speaker is chairman of meetings in the parliamentary chamber and is an official representative for Sweden at home and abroad.
>
> Why would it be controversial if the Sweden Democrats supplied the speaker?
>
> Electing a Sweden Democrat speaker would be a win for the far-right party, as a confirmation that the party has finally been accepted into the corridors of power.
>
> According to a source at newspaper Aftonbladet, the four parties backing Moderate Party leader Ulf Kristersson to become Sweden’s next prime minister have already agreed on stricter migration and crime policies, as well as who should be voted in as speaker of the country’s parliament when the role goes up for a vote on Monday.
>
> Multiple parties in the left-wing bloc have objected to a Sweden Democrat supplying the speaker, with outgoing Social Democrat Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson stating that her party is willing to collaborate with the Moderates and reelect Andreas Norlén as Sweden’s speaker instead in order to avoid a Sweden Democrat taking on the role.
>
> Andersson said her party would be willing to “make an exception” to its principle. “We think there are arguments at this time, to have a speaker who can be appointed with very broad support in the parliament. What’s important is that it’s someone who can bring people together, either a Social Democrat or a Moderate”.
>
> “I can state that Andreas Norlén enjoys great respect, both in the parliament, and among the Swedish people,” she said. “He has handled his duties creditably and during a turbulent time, and a problematic parliamentary situation.”
>
> She said she was offering to discuss the issue with Kristersson to avoid the risk of a Sweden Democrat speaker, something she said would be “problematic”.
>
> “This is a party whose whole rationale is to split rather than unite. This is also about the picture of Sweden overseas.”
>
> Moderate Party leader Ulf Kristersson has not responded to Andersson’s comments.
>
> There are also some MPs in the Liberal Party – who have agreed to support a Moderate-led government alongside the Sweden Democrats – who have stated they will not approve a government with Sweden Democrat ministers, and may also vote against letting them have the role of speaker.
>
> Sweden Democrat Björn Söder, who held the role of deputy speaker between 2014-18, is a possible candidate for the far-right party. Söder is a controversial figure, having previously stated that Jewish people and Sami are “not Swedes”, leading to calls that he is not suitable for a role as a representative for all of Sweden.
>
> Söder has also previously likened homosexuality to pedophilia and bestiality, stating in an article on the Sweden Democrats’ official online news site that “these sexual aversions are not normal and will never be normal”.
>
> A public petition against electing Björn Söder as parliament’s new speaker had over 65,000 signatures as of September 23rd.
>
> “We would very much like for a broad agreement to be reached around the Speaker,” Sweden’s outgoing Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson told the Dagens Nyheter newspaper. “This is the second-highest ranking post in the kingdom and the highest elected position.”
>
> The Aftonbladet newspaper reported on Wednesday that the post of Speaker was a key part of the negotiations between the Moderate, Sweden Democrat, Christian Democrat and Liberal parties, with the Sweden Democrats presumably seeking to appoint a senior party figure to the post.
>
> As the vote is a secret ballot, the newspaper reported, there is concern in the negotiations that enough MPs from the Liberal Party, or even other parties, will break ranks and not vote for the agreed choice.
>
> READ ALSO: Sweden’s right-wing bloc ‘agreed on stricter migration policy’
>
> According to Dagens Nyheter, Andersson has already contacted Moderate Party leader to discuss the possibility of having a Moderate Party figure in the post.
>
> In the past, the Social Democrats have argued that the biggest party in the parliament should have the Speaker position, whereas the Moderates have historically argued that it should be the biggest party in the ruling bloc.
>
> Andersson said her party would be willing to “make an exception” to its principle. “We think there are arguments at this time, to have a Speaker who can be appointed with very broad support in the parliament. What’s important is that it’s someone who can bring people together, either a Social Democrat or a Moderate”.
>
> The outgoing Speaker, Andreas Norlén, is popular both within the parliament and outside it, given the steady way he has handled an unusually turbulent two terms.
>
> “I can state that Andreas Norlén enjoys great respect, both in the parliament, and among the Swedish people,” she said. “He has handled his duties creditably and during a turbulent time, and a problematic parliamentary situation.”
>
> She said she was offering to discuss the issue with Kristersson to avoid the risk of a Sweden Democrat Speaker, something she said would be “problematic”.
>
> “This is a party whose whole rationale is to split rather than unite. This is also about the picture of Sweden overseas.”
> --
> Smart questions to stupid answers

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 7:08:41 AM UTC-2:30, brat_olin wrote:
> RadioGenova@RadioGenova:
> "Von der Leyen threatens the Italians: "We will see the result of
> the vote in Italy. If things go in a difficult direction, we have tools,
> as in the case of Poland and Hungary." A desperate attempt to
> influence the vote in Italy that runs towards the far right.
> Game over Ursula!"
>
> Ano, kazdy kraj ma swojego Tuska, znaczy ten niemiecki "tool" Ursuli.

czyim "tool" jest b. Olin?

Nie musi odpowiadac - to pytanie retoryczne. ;-)

===
Piotr

On Saturday, 24 September 2022 at 16:25:24 UTC+2, brat_olin wrote:
> brat_olin wrote:
> >
> > RadioGenova@RadioGenova:
> > "Von der Leyen threatens the Italians: "We will see the result of
> > the vote in Italy. If things go in a difficult direction, we have tools,
> > as in the case of Poland and Hungary." A desperate attempt to
> > influence the vote in Italy that runs towards the far right.
> > Game over Ursula!"
> >
> > Ano, kazdy kraj ma swojego Tuska, znaczy ten niemiecki
> > "tool" Ursuli. Ciekawe, kogo wytypuja w Italii?
> >
> Ursula von!
> --
> Smart questions to stupid answers
Urszulka jest von od urodzenia
i chce zastąpić brytyjską królową,
ale jedno co jej wychodzi to carycowanie

A potem zrobi uderzenie na Windsor, gdy nie obalą króla
-- If things go in a difficult direction, we have tools, as in the case of Poland and Hungary."

Ale istnieje obawa, że Urszulka doprowadziła do bankructwa łunię i to ukrywa,
a niewyplacanie KPO pod politycznymi pretekstami, to jedynie przykrywka ukrywanego bankructwa Brókselki.

Nalezy wysłać naszego zaufanego czlowieka ze sciepy, niech zbada finanse Brókselki
\i czy Urszulka nie buduje kolejnego zamku na wsi w Saksonii, ze 1000 m wieżą i basztą.

On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 08:42:07 -0700 (PDT), Piotr wrote:

> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 7:08:41 AM UTC-2:30, brat_olin wrote:
>> RadioGenova@RadioGenova:
>> "Von der Leyen threatens the Italians: "We will see the result of the
>> vote in Italy. If things go in a difficult direction, we have tools,
>> as in the case of Poland and Hungary." A desperate attempt to influence
>> the vote in Italy that runs towards the far right.
>> Game over Ursula!"
>>
>> Ano, kazdy kraj ma swojego Tuska, znaczy ten niemiecki "tool" Ursuli.
>
>
kim jest Trela?

O Piotrze Treli:

1. Piotr od malego dziecka byl wychowankiem ideologicznych komunistow
Jaskotow.

Piotr Trela:
“Pania Jaskot znalem jako 7-latek”

2. Kazimierz Jaskot, czlonek KC PZPR byl rektorem Czerwonego Uniwersytetu
kompletnie spenetrowanego przez SB'ecje gdzie donosicielstwo i szykany
oraz wyrzucanie ze studiow byly codziennoscia.

Koniec Szkoly Serwilizmu str.5
http://ksi.home.pl/archiwaprzelomu/obrazy/AP-24-1-3-1_46.pdf

Czasy Mocno Polityczne
https://historiaus.usz.edu.pl/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/
ks-28-30.01.2011-2.jpg

3. Piotr byl prosperujacym pracownikiem tego wlasnie SB'eckiego
Uniwersytetu i znajdowal zatrudnienie w Zakladzie Teledetekcji
specjalizujacym sie w przeroznych formach elektronicznego nasluchu.

Piotr Trela: Szczecin University, Zaklad Teledetekcji
http://www.ices.dk/sites/pub/Publication%20Reports/
Marine%20Science%20Symposia/Phase%202/Rapport%20et%20Proces-
Verbaux%20des%20Reunions%20-%20Volume%20188%20-%201989%20-
%20Partie%2040%20de%2071.pdf

4. Gdy Piotr byl jeszcze studentem w Gdansku jego wspol-lokatorzy w
akademickim pokoju wpadali w rece SB'ecji, pozniej skazywani byli na
wieloletnie wyroki wiezienia.

Piotr Trela:
“…mojego kolegi z ktorym mieszkalem w jednym pokoju w akademiku i ktory
dostal 3 lata za przewozenie paru ulotek (i odsiedzial z tego 2 lata).

5. Piotr bral udzial w licznych protestach i zadymach przeciwko komunie,
min. w Gdansku,
ale w obliczu milicyjnych lapanek nie uciekal.
Gdzie inni ryzykowali zdrowiem a nawet zyciem by nie zostac pojmanym przez
ZOMO, Piotr pozostawal w miejscu.

Piotr Trela:
“…mielismy nadzieje, ze ZOMO nie zatrzyma pociagu by nas wygarnac...pociag
zatrzymal sie po ujechaniu 50 metrow. ZOMO wbieglo na peron i czekalo.
Zrobilo sie nieprzyjemnie.
Niektorzy z nas zawierzyli swoim nogom - otwierali awaryjne drzwi z
drugiej strony i pryskali na tory …postanowilem zostac w pociagu,”

6. Piotr klamie twierdzac ze nie widzial na oczy Jaskota, Rektora
uniwersytetu na ktorym byl pracownikiem naukowym (Uniwersytet Szczecinski
liczyl wtedy niewiele ponad 50 osob lokalnego grona pedagogicznego,
wiekszosc wykladowcow byla wowczas wizytujaca).

https://historiaus.usz.edu.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/PTDC0003.jpg

7. Piotr Trela nawet dzisiaj grozi swoim oponentom donosicielstwem (patrz
cytat grozba donosu oraz pobicia, "skucia mordy," w wypadku powrotu do
Polski!)

Piotr Trela:
“I jesli...przyjada kiedys do Polski to niech uwazaja - …ten ze
zdjecia…dowie sie co o nim wypisujecie, to wam morde skuje.”

8. Piotr nie chce udzielic odpowiedzi na proste pytania z ktorymi nikt na
emigranckiej grupie spolecznosciowej nie ma najmniejszego problemu,
np. kto w PRL rekomendowal na zagraniczne studia doktoranckie do Kanady
–Piotr przywoluje prawo przestepcow do nie-samo-inkryminacji.

9. Piotr w pierwszym swoim tekscie opublikowanym na Zachodzie zawarl
donos. Poinformowal kanadyjska publike ze Komunisci w Polsce nie sa
prawdziwymi Marksistami-Leninistami.

Piotr Trela:
"I wanted to see a believing Marxist-Lenninist with my own eyes. Spending
29 years in a Marxist Lenninist country I hadn't met any... . I was
anxious to see my first live Marxist-Leninist.

Strona nr. 7
http://dalspace.library.dal.ca/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10222/52077/
dalhousiegazette_volume122_issue4_september_28_1989.pdf?
sequence=1&isAllowed=y

10. Piotr w przeciagu 27 lat dzialalnosci na grupie dyskusyjnej
soc.culture.polish napisal tysiace reply'ow ale samemu nie otworzyl wiecej
nizeli kilkudziesieciu wlasnych watkow. Wiekszosc dopiero wtedy gdy
zostalo to zauwazone w 2016 roku, i zostala mu zwrocona uwaga.
Donosiciel, jego przelozeni, nie sa zainteresowani przekazywaniem wlasnych
opinii a gromadzeniem cudzych.

11. Piotr od lat ulatwia prace donosicielom ograniczajac swobode
wypowiedzi w internecie;
pietnujac anonimowosc oraz domagajac sie by wszyscy Internauci podpisywali
sie swoimi prawdziwymi imionami i nazwiskami.

12. Gdy Trybunał Praw Człowieka w Strasburgu orzekł że Grzegorz Braun mial
prawo nazwac profesora Miodka SB'ekiem, Piotr Trela usilowal ograniczyc
swobode wypowiedzi Brauna Argumentujac ze uczciwy system to taki w ktorym
"lepiej by winny uszedl karze niz zeby niewinnego skrzywdzic."

Piotr zaczal bronic systemu prawnego ktory nie wymierzyl sprawiedliwosci
ani jednemu z SB’eckich oprawcow zapominajac ze Braun nie domagal sie kary
dla SB'eka tylko swobody wypowiedzi dla siebie.

13. Piotr w swoim nowym miejscu zamieszkania szybko dal sie poznac jako
proponent internetowej cenzury,
nazywajac idiotami Nowofundlandczykow uskarzajacych sie na cenzure w
netcie.

14. Piotr zapytany na soc.culture.polish o dokladna date swojego wyjazdu z
PRL’u do Kanada- w okresie rzadow Rakowieckiego i Kiszczaka czy tez
pozniej, gdy uzyskanie paszportu nie bylo powiazane z probami werbunku do
wspolpracy ze Sluzba Bezpieczenstwa,
odpowiada milczeniem oraz natychmiastowym i bezpowrotnym zerwaniem
wieloletniego kolezenstwa z pytajacym go p. Andrzejem Strakiem.

Czy Piotr byl SB'eckim donosicielem tego niewiem, wiem tylko ze na
Jaskotowym Uniwersytecie,
i nie tylko, byli tacy! Gdy zas komuna padala w 1989r istniala czy tez
mogla byc postrzegana grozba ze donosiciele moga zostac zdemaskowani i
ukarani.

Z pewnoscia wladze Uniwerystetu Szczecinskiego (SB'ecja, kapitan Cholewa,
pro-rektor Homa,
Rektor Jaskot) czynili kroki by zapewnic donosicielom nalezyte
bezpieczenstwo, odwrot,
alibi, czy ewakuacje. Piotr wlasnie w tym okresie czasu i jako pracownik
uniwerstytetu (!) z wiza studencka w PRL'owskim paszporcie wyjezdza na
szkolenia doktoranckie do Kanada. Dzisiaj panikuje pytany o szczegoly
swojego wyjazdu.

Ubecka metodyka dyskusji Piotra do wgladu w archiwach Google'a. Kazdy moze
sobie wyrobic opinie z kim/czym ma do czynienia.

(C) Basia (Ona/Jej)

On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 7:46:19 PM UTC-2:30, andal wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 08:42:07 -0700 (PDT), Piotr wrote:
>
> > On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 7:08:41 AM UTC-2:30, brat_olin wrote:
> >> RadioGenova@RadioGenova:
> >> "Von der Leyen threatens the Italians: "We will see the result of the
> >> vote in Italy. If things go in a difficult direction, we have tools,
> >> as in the case of Poland and Hungary." A desperate attempt to influence
> >> the vote in Italy that runs towards the far right.
> >> Game over Ursula!"
> >>
> >> Ano, kazdy kraj ma swojego Tuska, znaczy ten niemiecki "tool" Ursuli.
> >
> >
> kim jest Trela?
>
>
> O Piotrze Treli:
>
> 1. Piotr od malego dziecka byl wychowankiem ideologicznych komunistow
> Jaskotow.

Instead of plagiarizing the delusions of Edward "She/Her" Zwolan - write something from yourself. own. You know, like those Auschwitz jokes you dedicated to your a Jewish opponent, who almost certainly lost some members of his family in the Holocaust:

From: Andal (Andrew da Lancia)

"To Mojra Goldberg (Mr. da Lancia changed the first name of the opponent, from "Miroslav" to "Mojra", hoping that a more Jewish-sounding name would discredit the opponent),
a man of impeccable sense of humour:

"How best to exterminate the Jews? A billion on Wednesday, a billion on Saturday"
- " What differs a Jew from a trampoline? You don't jump on trampoline in heavy boots"
- "What is a little Jew doing on the (crematorium's) chimney? Waiting for his Mommy"
- "What differs a Jew from a loaf of bread? The bread does not squeal in the oven"
[ and several pages of other neoNazi Auschwitz jokes, which Mr. da Lancia concluded
with "Pozdrowienia!" ("Cheers!")

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!msg/soc.culture.polish/WfU2St1qPKE/TLpjfwrn-aAJ]
==
P.S. And let me congratulate "bratolin" his faithful defender. Jaki Pan, taki kram.

On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 10:50:50 -0700 (PDT), Piotr wrote:

> Instead of plagiarizing the delusions of Edward "She/Her" Zwolan - write
> something from yourself. own. You know, like those Auschwitz jokes you
> dedicated to your a Jewish opponent, who almost certainly lost some
> members of his family in the Holocaust:

od tego to trela jest specjalista, ja podalem autora

trela w swojej pracy naukowej podjebal czyjes rezultaty bez zajakniecia

Piotr wrote:
>
> P.S. And let me congratulate "bratolin" his faithful defender.
> Jaki Pan, taki kram.
>
Spieprzaj dziadu!

--
Smart questions to stupid answers

On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 5:14:31 PM UTC-2:30, brat_olin wrote:
> Piotr wrote:
> >
> > P.S. And let me congratulate "bratolin" his faithful defender.
> > Jaki Pan, taki kram.
> >
> Spieprzaj dziadu!

^* normalnie K. rezerwuje swoje "Spieprzaj dziadu!" do ludzi ktorzy odwaza sie powiazac
jego publiczne wystepy z jego nazwiskiem. A tu nikt jego nazwiska nie wspomnial. Skoro mimo tego oberwalem spieprzejdziadem! to przynajmniej niech bedzie za co:

> Spieprzaj dziadu!

- Tak blyskotliwie argumentowalem ja, Leszek Andrzej Kleczkowski, profesor pierwszego stopnia?

----
Piotr

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 15:37:20 -0700 (PDT), Piotr wrote:

> ---- Piotr

O Piotrze Treli:

1. Piotr od malego dziecka byl wychowankiem ideologicznych komunistow
Jaskotow.

Piotr Trela:
“Pania Jaskot znalem jako 7-latek”

2. Kazimierz Jaskot, czlonek KC PZPR byl rektorem Czerwonego Uniwersytetu
kompletnie spenetrowanego przez SB'ecje gdzie donosicielstwo i szykany
oraz wyrzucanie ze studiow byly codziennoscia.

Koniec Szkoly Serwilizmu str.5
http://ksi.home.pl/archiwaprzelomu/obrazy/AP-24-1-3-1_46.pdf

Czasy Mocno Polityczne
https://historiaus.usz.edu.pl/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/
ks-28-30.01.2011-2.jpg

3. Piotr byl prosperujacym pracownikiem tego wlasnie SB'eckiego
Uniwersytetu i znajdowal zatrudnienie w Zakladzie Teledetekcji
specjalizujacym sie w przeroznych formach elektronicznego nasluchu.

Piotr Trela: Szczecin University, Zaklad Teledetekcji
http://www.ices.dk/sites/pub/Publication%20Reports/
Marine%20Science%20Symposia/Phase%202/Rapport%20et%20Proces-
Verbaux%20des%20Reunions%20-%20Volume%20188%20-%201989%20-
%20Partie%2040%20de%2071.pdf

4. Gdy Piotr byl jeszcze studentem w Gdansku jego wspol-lokatorzy w
akademickim pokoju wpadali w rece SB'ecji, pozniej skazywani byli na
wieloletnie wyroki wiezienia.

Piotr Trela:
“…mojego kolegi z ktorym mieszkalem w jednym pokoju w akademiku i ktory
dostal 3 lata za przewozenie paru ulotek (i odsiedzial z tego 2 lata).

5. Piotr bral udzial w licznych protestach i zadymach przeciwko komunie,
min. w Gdansku,
ale w obliczu milicyjnych lapanek nie uciekal.
Gdzie inni ryzykowali zdrowiem a nawet zyciem by nie zostac pojmanym przez
ZOMO, Piotr pozostawal w miejscu.

Piotr Trela:
“…mielismy nadzieje, ze ZOMO nie zatrzyma pociagu by nas wygarnac...pociag
zatrzymal sie po ujechaniu 50 metrow. ZOMO wbieglo na peron i czekalo.
Zrobilo sie nieprzyjemnie.
Niektorzy z nas zawierzyli swoim nogom - otwierali awaryjne drzwi z
drugiej strony i pryskali na tory …postanowilem zostac w pociagu,”

6. Piotr klamie twierdzac ze nie widzial na oczy Jaskota, Rektora
uniwersytetu na ktorym byl pracownikiem naukowym (Uniwersytet Szczecinski
liczyl wtedy niewiele ponad 50 osob lokalnego grona pedagogicznego,
wiekszosc wykladowcow byla wowczas wizytujaca).

https://historiaus.usz.edu.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/PTDC0003.jpg

7. Piotr Trela nawet dzisiaj grozi swoim oponentom donosicielstwem (patrz
cytat grozba donosu oraz pobicia, "skucia mordy," w wypadku powrotu do
Polski!)

Piotr Trela:
“I jesli...przyjada kiedys do Polski to niech uwazaja - …ten ze
zdjecia…dowie sie co o nim wypisujecie, to wam morde skuje.”

8. Piotr nie chce udzielic odpowiedzi na proste pytania z ktorymi nikt na
emigranckiej grupie spolecznosciowej nie ma najmniejszego problemu,
np. kto w PRL rekomendowal na zagraniczne studia doktoranckie do Kanady
–Piotr przywoluje prawo przestepcow do nie-samo-inkryminacji.

9. Piotr w pierwszym swoim tekscie opublikowanym na Zachodzie zawarl
donos. Poinformowal kanadyjska publike ze Komunisci w Polsce nie sa
prawdziwymi Marksistami-Leninistami.

Piotr Trela:
"I wanted to see a believing Marxist-Lenninist with my own eyes. Spending
29 years in a Marxist Lenninist country I hadn't met any... . I was
anxious to see my first live Marxist-Leninist.

Strona nr. 7
http://dalspace.library.dal.ca/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10222/52077/
dalhousiegazette_volume122_issue4_september_28_1989.pdf?
sequence=1&isAllowed=y

10. Piotr w przeciagu 27 lat dzialalnosci na grupie dyskusyjnej
soc.culture.polish napisal tysiace reply'ow ale samemu nie otworzyl wiecej
nizeli kilkudziesieciu wlasnych watkow. Wiekszosc dopiero wtedy gdy
zostalo to zauwazone w 2016 roku, i zostala mu zwrocona uwaga.
Donosiciel, jego przelozeni, nie sa zainteresowani przekazywaniem wlasnych
opinii a gromadzeniem cudzych.

11. Piotr od lat ulatwia prace donosicielom ograniczajac swobode
wypowiedzi w internecie;
pietnujac anonimowosc oraz domagajac sie by wszyscy Internauci podpisywali
sie swoimi prawdziwymi imionami i nazwiskami.

12. Gdy Trybunał Praw Człowieka w Strasburgu orzekł że Grzegorz Braun mial
prawo nazwac profesora Miodka SB'ekiem, Piotr Trela usilowal ograniczyc
swobode wypowiedzi Brauna Argumentujac ze uczciwy system to taki w ktorym
"lepiej by winny uszedl karze niz zeby niewinnego skrzywdzic."

Piotr zaczal bronic systemu prawnego ktory nie wymierzyl sprawiedliwosci
ani jednemu z SB’eckich oprawcow zapominajac ze Braun nie domagal sie kary
dla SB'eka tylko swobody wypowiedzi dla siebie.

13. Piotr w swoim nowym miejscu zamieszkania szybko dal sie poznac jako
proponent internetowej cenzury,
nazywajac idiotami Nowofundlandczykow uskarzajacych sie na cenzure w
netcie.

14. Piotr zapytany na soc.culture.polish o dokladna date swojego wyjazdu z
PRL’u do Kanada- w okresie rzadow Rakowieckiego i Kiszczaka czy tez
pozniej, gdy uzyskanie paszportu nie bylo powiazane z probami werbunku do
wspolpracy ze Sluzba Bezpieczenstwa,
odpowiada milczeniem oraz natychmiastowym i bezpowrotnym zerwaniem
wieloletniego kolezenstwa z pytajacym go p. Andrzejem Strakiem.

Czy Piotr byl SB'eckim donosicielem tego niewiem, wiem tylko ze na
Jaskotowym Uniwersytecie,
i nie tylko, byli tacy! Gdy zas komuna padala w 1989r istniala czy tez
mogla byc postrzegana grozba ze donosiciele moga zostac zdemaskowani i
ukarani.

Z pewnoscia wladze Uniwerystetu Szczecinskiego (SB'ecja, kapitan Cholewa,
pro-rektor Homa,
Rektor Jaskot) czynili kroki by zapewnic donosicielom nalezyte
bezpieczenstwo, odwrot,
alibi, czy ewakuacje. Piotr wlasnie w tym okresie czasu i jako pracownik
uniwerstytetu (!) z wiza studencka w PRL'owskim paszporcie wyjezdza na
szkolenia doktoranckie do Kanada. Dzisiaj panikuje pytany o szczegoly
swojego wyjazdu.

Ubecka metodyka dyskusji Piotra do wgladu w archiwach Google'a. Kazdy moze
sobie wyrobic opinie z kim/czym ma do czynienia.

(C) Basia (Ona/Jej)