Hi All,

It has been two weeks since I planted my onion seeds.
Everything else I planted is coming up, but not
the onions.

How long do they typically take?

Many thanks,
-T

On 6/9/2022 10:55 AM, T wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> It has been two weeks since I planted my onion seeds.
> Everything else I planted is coming up, but not
> the onions.
>
> How long do they typically take?
>
> Many thanks,
> -T

Last year on 5/21/21 I planted some of my saved Stuttgart Onion seeds and my
notes it says they came up on 06/05/21 so, 15 days. Those I planted never
got bigger than the bulb sets I usually put out, but I'm in Zone 4.

On 6/9/22 08:09, Wilson wrote:
> On 6/9/2022 10:55 AM, T wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> It has been two weeks since I planted my onion seeds.
>> Everything else I planted is coming up, but not
>> the onions.
>>
>> How long do they typically take?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> -T
>
> Last year on 5/21/21 I planted some of my saved Stuttgart Onion seeds
> and my notes it says they came up on 06/05/21 so, 15 days. Those I
> planted never got bigger than the bulb sets I usually put out, but I'm
> in Zone 4.

So I need to learn some patience!

:-)

How did the branches you had in water go?

Hul

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 6/9/22 08:09, Wilson wrote:
> > On 6/9/2022 10:55 AM, T wrote:
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> It has been two weeks since I planted my onion seeds.
> >> Everything else I planted is coming up, but not
> >> the onions.
> >>
> >> How long do they typically take?
> >>
> >> Many thanks,
> >> -T
> >
> > Last year on 5/21/21 I planted some of my saved Stuttgart Onion seeds
> > and my notes it says they came up on 06/05/21 so, 15 days. Those I
> > planted never got bigger than the bulb sets I usually put out, but I'm
> > in Zone 4.

> So I need to learn some patience!

> :-)

>
> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 6/9/22 08:09, Wilson wrote:
>>> On 6/9/2022 10:55 AM, T wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> It has been two weeks since I planted my onion seeds.
>>>> Everything else I planted is coming up, but not
>>>> the onions.
>>>>
>>>> How long do they typically take?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>> -T
>>>
>>> Last year on 5/21/21 I planted some of my saved Stuttgart Onion seeds
>>> and my notes it says they came up on 06/05/21 so, 15 days. Those I
>>> planted never got bigger than the bulb sets I usually put out, but I'm
>>> in Zone 4.
>
>> So I need to learn some patience!
>
>> :-)

On 6/9/22 17:00, Hul Tytus wrote:
> How did the branches you had in water go?
>
> Hul

If you meant the coke berry and bill berryies,
they all died.

T wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> It has been two weeks since I planted my onion seeds.
> Everything else I planted is coming up, but not
> the onions.
>
> How long do they typically take?

do you have any clay in that soil and have you been
keeping them evenly moist? how deep did you plant them?

if you had a hot dry spell and there's not enough clay
and organic material in the soil to keep them evenly
moist then they're not going to have a good time trying
to grow. a layer of mulch over when it gets really hot
probably would also help.

did any come up since? have you continued to water
the location where you planted the seeds?

songbird

On 6/20/22 15:19, songbird wrote:
> T wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> It has been two weeks since I planted my onion seeds.
>> Everything else I planted is coming up, but not
>> the onions.
>>
>> How long do they typically take?
>
> do you have any clay in that soil and have you been
> keeping them evenly moist?

No clay. Decomposed sandstone mixed in with a ton of peet.
About 5:1 peet to silt ratio.

> how deep did you plant them?

About 1/4 to 1/2". I fertilized (organic 4-4-6) and
turned the soil over before planting. I can work
the soil with my hands. It is loose.

>
> if you had a hot dry spell and there's not enough clay
> and organic material in the soil to keep them evenly
> moist then they're not going to have a good time trying
> to grow. a layer of mulch over when it gets really hot
> probably would also help.

I bet you called it. I hvae not watered them
a bunch, fearing I'd make them rot

>
> did any come up since? have you continued to water
> the location where you planted the seeds?

Zero yet. Hopefully they are still dormant and
a bunch of water will wake the up.

>
> songbird

On 6/20/22 15:19, songbird wrote:
> T wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> It has been two weeks since I planted my onion seeds.
>> Everything else I planted is coming up, but not
>> the onions.
>>
>> How long do they typically take?
>
> do you have any clay in that soil and have you been
> keeping them evenly moist? how deep did you plant them?
>
> if you had a hot dry spell and there's not enough clay
> and organic material in the soil to keep them evenly
> moist then they're not going to have a good time trying
> to grow. a layer of mulch over when it gets really hot
> probably would also help.
>
> did any come up since? have you continued to water
> the location where you planted the seeds?
>
>
> songbird

Everyone got a double watering. The onion seeds
got a quadruple watering.

Fired up my liquid ph meter and measured some
muddy water. The meter freaked out going
between 5 something and 7 something

T wrote:
> On 6/20/22 15:19, songbird wrote:
>> T wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> It has been two weeks since I planted my onion seeds.
>>> Everything else I planted is coming up, but not
>>> the onions.
>>>
>>> How long do they typically take?
>>
>> do you have any clay in that soil and have you been
>> keeping them evenly moist?
>
> No clay. Decomposed sandstone mixed in with a ton of peet.
> About 5:1 peet to silt ratio.
>
>> how deep did you plant them?
>
> About 1/4 to 1/2". I fertilized (organic 4-4-6) and
> turned the soil over before planting. I can work
> the soil with my hands. It is loose.

sand or grit has very little surface area compared to clay
this also means it is poor at holding nutrients or water.
adding even a little bit of clay will help your gardens plus
it will make your organic amendments go further.

if you look up any analysis method for gardening soils it
will tell you that prime garden soil is a mixture of sand,
silt and clay along with some organic matter.

to the different extents you have more or less of each
of the basics (the three sizes of particles) will say a
lot about your capability to grow many garden plants.

>> if you had a hot dry spell and there's not enough clay
>> and organic material in the soil to keep them evenly
>> moist then they're not going to have a good time trying
>> to grow. a layer of mulch over when it gets really hot
>> probably would also help.
>
> I bet you called it. I hvae not watered them
> a bunch, fearing I'd make them rot

evenly moist is what to aim for. sodden won't work
well for many seeds. intermittent they may have sprouted
and died. i'm also not sure of the extremes in temperature
that onion seeds can tolerate so that is something you can
study up on. :)

pH 5-7 i'd say it depends upon how close to 5 it is as
that seems rather low and too acidic (some plants will be
ok with this onions probably want it more neutral 5.5 to
6.5. garlic would probably do better in 6.0 - 7.0 range.

>> did any come up since? have you continued to water
>> the location where you planted the seeds?
>
> Zero yet. Hopefully they are still dormant and
> a bunch of water will wake the up.

you'll find out. :)

songbird

On 6/21/22 10:58, T wrote:
> On 6/20/22 15:19, songbird wrote:
>> T wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> It has been two weeks since I planted my onion seeds.
>>> Everything else I planted is coming up, but not
>>> the onions.
>>>
>>> How long do they typically take?
>>
>>    do you have any clay in that soil and have you been
>> keeping them evenly moist?  how deep did you plant them?
>>
>>    if you had a hot dry spell and there's not enough clay
>> and organic material in the soil to keep them evenly
>> moist then they're not going to have a good time trying
>> to grow.  a layer of mulch over when it gets really hot
>> probably would also help.
>>
>>    did any come up since?  have you continued to water
>> the location where you planted the seeds?
>>
>>
>>    songbird
>
>
> Everyone got a double watering.  The onion seeds
> got a quadruple watering.
>
> Fired up my liquid ph meter and measured some
> muddy water.  The meter freaked out going
> between 5 something and 7 something

Nothing.

T wrote:
....
> Nothing.

get some fresh seeds. i'm just harvesting the seed tops
from the Tokyo green onions and they are a very acceptable
green onion.

my regular onions (red, yellow and white long day onions)
are flowering so they won't cross pollinate much with the
green onions because those mostly bloom earlier. i won't
keep any seeds from the green onions that are blooming now
but i like to leave the flowers on the plants because the
bees really like them.

songbird

On 7/1/22 13:45, songbird wrote:
> T wrote:
> ...
>> Nothing.
>
> get some fresh seeds. i'm just harvesting the seed tops
> from the Tokyo green onions and they are a very acceptable
> green onion.
>
> my regular onions (red, yellow and white long day onions)
> are flowering so they won't cross pollinate much with the
> green onions because those mostly bloom earlier. i won't
> keep any seeds from the green onions that are blooming now
> but i like to leave the flowers on the plants because the
> bees really like them.
>
>
> songbird

Maybe a hint, but a had a ton a green been seeds
left over from last year. I planted them in a
feral bin to see what would happen. This is
about may 7th or so. Since I started soaking
the seeding areas, yesterday, some of the green
beans started coming up. But only in the area
where most of the water ponded up when watering.

I see what seeds walmart has left.

On 7/1/22 13:45, songbird wrote:
> get some fresh seeds

Sow on the top or cover them a bit?

T wrote:
> On 7/1/22 13:45, songbird wrote:
>> get some fresh seeds
>
> Sow on the top or cover them a bit?

about an inch deep seems normal (it should say how deep on the
seed package). keep evenly moist but not sodden. are you far
enough north that you could grow long day onions or should you
pick something else?

the thing with planting this late is that for bulbing onions
you'll get tiny bulbs started and then they'll die back. once
they die back then you can lift them and keep them in storage
for planting back out next spring.

if you are planting green onions you can put seeds down anytime
this summer and you should get a fall crop or let them overwinter
and then you can harvest in the spring into the early summer. if
you want further seeds for continued growing let some of the
plants flower next year (don't harvest or trim them unless
there's some dead leaves to remove) and set seeds.

what i've been doing is using the plant's life cycle to guide
when i plant the seeds. with the green onions i just harvested
seed tops so taking that as a clue i can plant those seeds any-
time now. by contrast the long day onion bulbs i have are just
now flowering so they won't have seeds ready for a month or so
(which means i wouldn't be planting long day onions now).

songbird