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 by: henh...@gmail.com - Sat, 6 May 2023 01:46 UTC


Ο ΓΡΙΦΟΣ ΤΗΣ ΣΕΧΡΑΖΑΝΤ
ΤΗΣ ΣΕΧΡΑΖΑΝΤ --- this part looks like
The Sex Patient

Grifos -- is there a similar-looking word in English, French, German.... ?

The full title is:
Ο ΓΡΙΦΟΣ ΤΗΣ ΣΕΧΡΑΖΑΝΤ
ΚΑΙ ΑΛΛΑ ΑΙΝΙΓΜΑΤΑ ΜΑΘΗΜΑΤΙΚΗΣ ΛΟΓΙΚΗΣ
---------- i recognize some words, including [kai] and [alla]
The only word i know that uses the Allo- prefix is Allophone -- do you know of others (off-hand) ? ---- i guess Allele (in Biology)

---------- i don't quite see why they'd use ALL UPPERCASE LETTERS BECAUSE THAT'S HARDER TO READ -- ISN'T IT ???

( Allele, Meme make a nice pair ) i wish Allele had a catchier spelling, like Lele, or Allalla

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 by: Dragonot - Sat, 6 May 2023 08:14 UTC

Il 06/05/2023 03:46, henh...@gmail.com ha scritto:
> Ο ΓΡΙΦΟΣ ΤΗΣ ΣΕΧΡΑΖΑΝΤ
> ΚΑΙ ΑΛΛΑ ΑΙΝΙΓΜΑΤΑ ΜΑΘΗΜΑΤΙΚΗΣ ΛΟΓΙΚΗΣ

The use of two synonyms (griphos and ainigmata) is interesting.
Bepe

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 by: Ed Cryer - Sat, 6 May 2023 10:15 UTC

henh...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Ο ΓΡΙΦΟΣ ΤΗΣ ΣΕΧΡΑΖΑΝΤ
>
> ΤΗΣ ΣΕΧΡΑΖΑΝΤ --- this part looks like
> The Sex Patient
>
>
> Grifos -- is there a similar-looking word in English, French, German.... ?
>
>
> The full title is:
> Ο ΓΡΙΦΟΣ ΤΗΣ ΣΕΧΡΑΖΑΝΤ
> ΚΑΙ ΑΛΛΑ ΑΙΝΙΓΜΑΤΑ ΜΑΘΗΜΑΤΙΚΗΣ ΛΟΓΙΚΗΣ
>
> ---------- i recognize some words, including [kai] and [alla]
>
> The only word i know that uses the Allo- prefix is Allophone -- do you know of others (off-hand) ? ---- i guess Allele (in Biology)
>
>
> ---------- i don't quite see why they'd use ALL UPPERCASE LETTERS BECAUSE THAT'S HARDER TO READ -- ISN'T IT ???
>
>
>
> ( Allele, Meme make a nice pair ) i wish Allele had a catchier spelling, like Lele, or Allalla
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Riddle-Scheherazade-Amazing-Puzzles-Ancient-ebook/dp/B008TSC1R0
I don't know why they've used upper case letters either. It's not the
norm in Greece, but I have seen quite a lot of it on posters around Athens.
https://www.politeianet.gr/books/9789606640704-smullyan-raymond-traulos-o-grifos-tis-sechrazant-200115
Ed

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 by: Ed Cryer - Sat, 6 May 2023 11:59 UTC

Ed Cryer wrote:
> henh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Ο   ΓΡΙΦΟΣ   ΤΗΣ   ΣΕΧΡΑΖΑΝΤ
>>
>>         ΤΗΣ   ΣΕΧΡΑΖΑΝΤ    --- this part looks like
>>          The    Sex Patient
>>
>>
>> Grifos -- is there a similar-looking word in English, French,
>> German.... ?
>>
>>
>> The full title is:
>>                            Ο ΓΡΙΦΟΣ ΤΗΣ ΣΕΧΡΑΖΑΝΤ
>>                         ΚΑΙ ΑΛΛΑ ΑΙΝΙΓΜΑΤΑ ΜΑΘΗΜΑΤΙΚΗΣ ΛΟΓΙΚΗΣ
>>
>> ----------   i recognize some words, including   [kai]   and    [alla]
>>
>> The only word i know that uses the Allo-  prefix is  Allophone -- do
>> you know of others (off-hand) ?          ----  i guess    Allele (in
>> Biology)
>>
>>
>> ----------   i don't quite see why they'd  use   ALL UPPERCASE LETTERS
>> BECAUSE THAT'S HARDER TO READ -- ISN'T IT ???
>>
>>
>>
>> ( Allele, Meme  make a nice pair )  i wish  Allele had a catchier
>> spelling, like   Lele, or  Allalla
>
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Riddle-Scheherazade-Amazing-Puzzles-Ancient-ebook/dp/B008TSC1R0
>
> I don't know why they've used upper case letters either. It's not the
> norm in Greece, but I have seen quite a lot of it on posters around Athens.
> https://www.politeianet.gr/books/9789606640704-smullyan-raymond-traulos-o-grifos-tis-sechrazant-200115
>
> Ed
>
Here's a collage of some Athens tourist tickets. Lots of upper case usage.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/it168ukaizr7grj/Athens-tickets.jpg?dl=0
Ed

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 by: henh...@gmail.com - Sat, 6 May 2023 17:02 UTC

On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 1:17:24 AM UTC-7, Dragonot wrote:
> Il 06/05/2023 03:46, henh...@gmail.com ha scritto:
> > Ο ΓΡΙΦΟΣ ΤΗΣ ΣΕΧΡΑΖΑΝΤ
> > ΚΑΙ ΑΛΛΑ ΑΙΝΙΓΜΑΤΑ ΜΑΘΗΜΑΤΙΚΗΣ ΛΟΓΙΚΗΣ
> The use of two synonyms (griphos and ainigmata) is interesting.
> Bepe

O is a definite article, also in Portuguese, Romanian, Romani.... i wonder if they (the O's) are all related.

From Ancient Greek γρῖφος (grîphos, “fishing basket”); first used in the sense of "riddle" by Aristophanes.
----------- i guess i didnt know the 2 senses were related !

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/enigma#Etymology
From Latin aenigma (“riddle”), being derived itself from the Ancient Greek verbal noun αἴνιγμα (aínigma, “dark saying, speaking in riddles”).
Verbal noun from the root of αἰνίσσομαι (ainíssomai, “speak in riddles”), from αἶνος (aînos, “fable”), +‎ -μα (-ma).
------------------- there's no explanation of why (how) the [dark] (obscure) sense got in.

here, it means just Praise:
St. Luke, The Gospel of Luke 18.43:
καὶ παραχρῆμα ἀνέβλεψεν, καὶ ἠκολούθει αὐτῷ δοξάζων τὸν θεόν. καὶ πᾶς ὁ λαὸς ἰδὼν ἔδωκεν αἶνον τῷ θεῷ.
kaì parakhrêma anéblepsen, kaì ēkoloúthei autôi doxázōn tòn theón. kaì pâs ho laòs idṑn édōken aînon tôi theôi.
And immediately he received his sight, and followed him, glorifying God: and all the people, when they saw it, gave praise unto God. (King James Version)

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 by: Dragonot - Sat, 6 May 2023 21:24 UTC

Il 06/05/2023 19:02, henh...@gmail.com ha scritto:
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> O is a definite article, also in Portuguese, Romanian, Romani.... i wonder if they (the O's) are all related.

In Ancient Greek the article was ο, η, το.
In Latin, the article did not exist. In the Romance languages ​​the
article derives from ILLE,ILLA, ILLUD (except in Sardinian, where it
derives from IPSE).
Bepe

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