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* FYI: India Is Creating a New World Order …Nick
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 +- Re: FYI: India Is Creating a New World Order …chorbalan
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  `- Re: FYI: India Is Creating a New World Order …Ivaylo Ivanov

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 by: Nick - Tue, 17 May 2022 04:43 UTC

India Is Creating a New World Order

By Chris Ogden

The West claims that Putin’s war against Ukraine means that Russia is now
isolated by the international community. But in fact, the exact opposite
is happening. Most of the world is either pro-Russia or neutral with
regards to the war in Ukraine. India’s neutral stance is critical to this
international balance of power. And while India’s historical ties with
Russia go a long way to explain the current situation, it is also India’s
vision for the future that’s informing its attitude. Along with China and
Russia, India is aiming to bring about an end to western global hegemony,
and usher in a new era of a multipolar international order, argues Chris
Ogden.

Clear strategic synergies are visible in the continued convergence of
Indian and Russian worldviews regarding the promotion of a multipolar,
balanced, stable and non-hegemonic international order. Such a multipolar
order would not be clearly led by one particular country and would not
signal the simple replacement of the US by China. Nor would it involve a
power struggle solely between Beijing and Washington but would encompass a
wider and protracted skirmish for influence involving other big actors
such as New Delhi, Moscow, Tokyo and Brussels. In practice, such a
multipolar order would be complicated and convoluted with leading actors
cooperating in certain domains yet clashing in others, as their strategic
interests interlocked with ever greater intricacy.

http://infobrics.org/post/35710/

https://iai.tv/articles/india-is-creating-a-new-world-order-auid-2118

дейвид линч ще излезе май прав, че совите не са това, което са.

за любителите на биографични данни:

Chris Ogden |

Senior Lecturer / Associate Professor in Asian Security at the School of
International Relations, University of St Andrews. His latest book The
Authoritarian Century: China’s Rise and The Demise of the Liberal
International Order will be published with Bristol University Press in
September 2022.

но ако искат повече подробности, може да погледнат и в wikipedia.

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 by: Ivaylo Ivanov - Tue, 17 May 2022 13:41 UTC

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 12:43:30 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:
> India Is Creating a New World Order
>
> By Chris Ogden
>
> The West claims that Putin’s war against Ukraine means that Russia is now
> isolated by the international community. But in fact, the exact opposite
> is happening. Most of the world is either pro-Russia or neutral with
> regards to the war in Ukraine.
"And again, let's look at the situation as a whole from the overall strategic position. Don't engage in
saber-rattling with missiles in Finland's direction. It actually looks very amusing. After all, the main
deficiency of our military-political position is that, in a way, we are in full geopolitical isolation, and that,
however much we would hate to admit this, _virtually the entire world is against us_."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-pundit-gives-rare-public-damning-assessment-of-ukraine-war/ar-AAXlCn6
А позицията на Индия по отношение на войната в Украйна не е стратегическа, а чисто
интересчийска и опортюнистична. Както вече обсъдихме, най-големият победител във войната,
стратегически, най-вероятно ще бъде Китай. Възхода на Китай по никакъв начин не е в полза
за Индия.
> India’s neutral stance is critical to this
> international balance of power. And while India’s historical ties with
> Russia go a long way to explain the current situation, it is also India’s
> vision for the future that’s informing its attitude. Along with China and
> Russia, India is aiming to bring about an end to western global hegemony,
> and usher in a new era of a multipolar international order, argues Chris
> Ogden.
Ефекта от войната ще е точно обратното на мултиполярен свят. Войната ускори транзицията
към двуполярен свят: Китай - Запад. В подобен сценарий мястото на Индия ще е от страната на
Запада. Неизбежно е.
>
> …
>
> Clear strategic synergies are visible in the continued convergence of
> Indian and Russian worldviews regarding the promotion of a multipolar,
> balanced, stable and non-hegemonic international order. Such a multipolar
> order would not be clearly led by one particular country and would not
> signal the simple replacement of the US by China. Nor would it involve a
> power struggle solely between Beijing and Washington but would encompass a
> wider and protracted skirmish for influence involving other big actors
> such as New Delhi, Moscow, Tokyo and Brussels. In practice, such a
> multipolar order would be complicated and convoluted with leading actors
> cooperating in certain domains yet clashing in others, as their strategic
> interests interlocked with ever greater intricacy.
>
> …
>
> http://infobrics.org/post/35710/
>
> https://iai.tv/articles/india-is-creating-a-new-world-order-auid-2118
>
> дейвид линч ще излезе май прав, че совите не са това, което са.
>
> за любителите на биографични данни:
>
> Chris Ogden |
>
> Senior Lecturer / Associate Professor in Asian Security at the School of
> International Relations, University of St Andrews. His latest book The
> Authoritarian Century: China’s Rise and The Demise of the Liberal
> International Order will be published with Bristol University Press in
> September 2022.
>
> но ако искат повече подробности, може да погледнат и в wikipedia.
>
> --
> «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 9:41:19 AM UTC-4, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:
> Както вече обсъдихме, най-големият победител във войната,
> стратегически, най-вероятно ще бъде Китай.

това далеч не е толкова сигурно, особено в дългосрочен план.

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 by: chorbalan - Tue, 17 May 2022 16:15 UTC

On Tue, 17 May 2022 06:41:18 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

> . Както вече обсъдихме, най-големият победител във войната,
> стратегически, най-вероятно ще бъде Китай.

Toчно по тази причина нато и западът не трябваше са ожесточават
Русия с приказки и може би войната нямаше да се случи.

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 by: Радостина - Wed, 18 May 2022 03:42 UTC

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 6:41:19 AM UTC-7, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 12:43:30 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:
> > India Is Creating a New World Order
> >
> > By Chris Ogden
> >
> > The West claims that Putin’s war against Ukraine means that Russia is now
> > isolated by the international community. But in fact, the exact opposite
> > is happening. Most of the world is either pro-Russia or neutral with
> > regards to the war in Ukraine.
> "And again, let's look at the situation as a whole from the overall strategic position. Don't engage in
> saber-rattling with missiles in Finland's direction. It actually looks very amusing. After all, the main
> deficiency of our military-political position is that, in a way, we are in full geopolitical isolation, and that,
> however much we would hate to admit this, _virtually the entire world is against us_."
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-pundit-gives-rare-public-damning-assessment-of-ukraine-war/ar-AAXlCn6
>
> А позицията на Индия по отношение на войната в Украйна не е стратегическа, а чисто
> интересчийска и опортюнистична. Както вече обсъдихме, най-големият победител във войната,
> стратегически, най-вероятно ще бъде Китай. Възхода на Китай по никакъв начин не е в полза
> за Индия.
> > India’s neutral stance is critical to this
> > international balance of power. And while India’s historical ties with
> > Russia go a long way to explain the current situation, it is also India’s
> > vision for the future that’s informing its attitude. Along with China and
> > Russia, India is aiming to bring about an end to western global hegemony,
> > and usher in a new era of a multipolar international order, argues Chris
> > Ogden.
> Ефекта от войната ще е точно обратното на мултиполярен свят. Войната ускори транзицията
> към двуполярен свят: Китай - Запад. В подобен сценарий мястото на Индия ще е от страната на
> Запада. Неизбежно е.
ха ха ха ха
какво ти разбира на теб главата от духова музика -)
В BRICS западът не участва.
Крахът на Запада и САЩ е неизбежен, но ще се пънат докрай.

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 by: Ivaylo Ivanov - Wed, 18 May 2022 14:04 UTC

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 11:42:48 PM UTC-4, Радостина wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 6:41:19 AM UTC-7, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 12:43:30 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:
> > > India Is Creating a New World Order
> > >
> > > By Chris Ogden
> > >
> > > The West claims that Putin’s war against Ukraine means that Russia is now
> > > isolated by the international community. But in fact, the exact opposite
> > > is happening. Most of the world is either pro-Russia or neutral with
> > > regards to the war in Ukraine.
> > "And again, let's look at the situation as a whole from the overall strategic position. Don't engage in
> > saber-rattling with missiles in Finland's direction. It actually looks very amusing. After all, the main
> > deficiency of our military-political position is that, in a way, we are in full geopolitical isolation, and that,
> > however much we would hate to admit this, _virtually the entire world is against us_."
> >
> > https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-pundit-gives-rare-public-damning-assessment-of-ukraine-war/ar-AAXlCn6
> >
> > А позицията на Индия по отношение на войната в Украйна не е стратегическа, а чисто
> > интересчийска и опортюнистична. Както вече обсъдихме, най-големият победител във войната,
> > стратегически, най-вероятно ще бъде Китай. Възхода на Китай по никакъв начин не е в полза
> > за Индия.
> > > India’s neutral stance is critical to this
> > > international balance of power. And while India’s historical ties with
> > > Russia go a long way to explain the current situation, it is also India’s
> > > vision for the future that’s informing its attitude. Along with China and
> > > Russia, India is aiming to bring about an end to western global hegemony,
> > > and usher in a new era of a multipolar international order, argues Chris
> > > Ogden.
> > Ефекта от войната ще е точно обратното на мултиполярен свят. Войната ускори транзицията
> > към двуполярен свят: Китай - Запад. В подобен сценарий мястото на Индия ще е от страната на
> > Запада. Неизбежно е.
> ха ха ха ха
> какво ти разбира на теб главата от духова музика -)
> В BRICS западът не участва.
"BRICS" е фикция. Ако знаеше нещо по геополитика щеше да ти е ясно, че няма вариант
при който Китай и Индия могат да принадлежат на един блок.
> Крахът на Запада и САЩ е неизбежен, но ще се пънат докрай.
И тогава "тухлите" ще възтържествуват ... малко след като цъфнат налъмите.

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