FWIW

Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K Body Revo Clamps.

Approximately 30% off pairs.

At a recent WW show I was advised by a Bessey rep that the Revo has been
redesigned and or upgraded. I could see no difference that I recall.
They said the bar was stronger/heavier.

This may be an inventory clearance sale to make room for the new style
clamps.

And FWIW I would choose Jorgensen Cabine tMaster clamps and Jet clamps,
in this order, over the Bessey clamps.
I have several of each and the Besseys are the ones I use when I have no
other choice. Just saying.

On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 1:39:15 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> FWIW
>
> Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K Body Revo Clamps.
>
> Approximately 30% off pairs.
>
> At a recent WW show I was advised by a Bessey rep that the Revo has been
> redesigned and or upgraded. I could see no difference that I recall.
> They said the bar was stronger/heavier.
>
> This may be an inventory clearance sale to make room for the new style
> clamps.
>
> And FWIW I would choose Jorgensen Cabine tMaster clamps and Jet clamps,
> in this order, over the Bessey clamps.
> I have several of each and the Besseys are the ones I use when I have no
> other choice. Just saying.

Looks like the Amazon prices for the Cabinet Masters beat the WP sale prices on the
18" and 24" Besseys. The CM 36" is cheaper than the Bessey 31".

However, I have a question:

The CM has a 48" while the Bessey is 50". (I have a couple of Bessy 50"). Assuming
you have both, does that 2" difference ever force you to use the Besseys? (I'm thinking
about plywood being 48" and needing that extra 2" for ease of set up or maybe allow
for your double face frames, etc.)

On 11/19/2021 1:32 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 1:39:15 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> FWIW
>>
>> Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K Body Revo Clamps.
>>
>> Approximately 30% off pairs.
>>
>> At a recent WW show I was advised by a Bessey rep that the Revo has been
>> redesigned and or upgraded. I could see no difference that I recall.
>> They said the bar was stronger/heavier.
>>
>> This may be an inventory clearance sale to make room for the new style
>> clamps.
>>
>> And FWIW I would choose Jorgensen Cabine tMaster clamps and Jet clamps,
>> in this order, over the Bessey clamps.
>> I have several of each and the Besseys are the ones I use when I have no
>> other choice. Just saying.
>
> Looks like the Amazon prices for the Cabinet Masters beat the WP sale prices on the
> 18" and 24" Besseys. The CM 36" is cheaper than the Bessey 31".

My local Lowe's stocks the CM's too. BUT for the Bessey brand the
Woodpeckers pricing is pretty good. If you are a die hard Bessey fan.

>
> However, I have a question:
>
> The CM has a 48" while the Bessey is 50". (I have a couple of Bessy 50"). Assuming
> you have both, does that 2" difference ever force you to use the Besseys? (I'm thinking
> about plywood being 48" and needing that extra 2" for ease of set up or maybe allow
> for your double face frames, etc.)

So I got the CM's several years before trying the Besseys and Jets.

My longest CM's are 49" between jaws with the movable foot at the end.
My Besseys are 41" for the same measurement. And I have shorter CM's
and shorter Bessey's.

When I need longer I have some 72" aluminum made by Universal Clamp
company. They are the ones that have the slots cut in the bar for the
sliding end.

I almost always use my shorter CM's 30 something inches. to begin. My
cabinets are never over 24" deep so gluing FF's onto the front and back
of the carcass is not a problem.

Sometimes I use the longer clamps on a wide FF to glue the rails and
stiles together.

So to explain my preference of the CM over the Bessey, the Bessey's do
not slide up and down the bar smoothly. When I am in a hurry to open a
clamp I don't want to be futzing with the sliding head. Also the CM's
handle has a greater range of pivot compared to the Bessey. IMHO it is
easier to unlock and keep unlocked the sliding head as I open it from
one end to the other. I store the clamps withe the sliding heads
clamped shut to the fixed end.
The CM's have a longer screw travel. Once in place I can easily have
enough screw travel to tighten the sliding head. The Bessey has to be
just right for the sliding head to not run out of travel when tightening
the handle. So actually using the CM's, for me, is a faster process
from opening them to clamping them tight. And last and perhaps why the
CM's work more freely, they seem to be just a bit looser fitting so that
parts don't bind, like on the Besseys.

On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 11:46:27 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 11/19/2021 1:32 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 1:39:15 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >> FWIW
> >>
> >> Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K Body Revo Clamps.
> >>
> >> Approximately 30% off pairs.
> >>
> >> At a recent WW show I was advised by a Bessey rep that the Revo has been
> >> redesigned and or upgraded. I could see no difference that I recall.
> >> They said the bar was stronger/heavier.
> >>
> >> This may be an inventory clearance sale to make room for the new style
> >> clamps.
> >>
> >> And FWIW I would choose Jorgensen Cabine tMaster clamps and Jet clamps,
> >> in this order, over the Bessey clamps.
> >> I have several of each and the Besseys are the ones I use when I have no
> >> other choice. Just saying.
> >
> > Looks like the Amazon prices for the Cabinet Masters beat the WP sale prices on the
> > 18" and 24" Besseys. The CM 36" is cheaper than the Bessey 31".
> My local Lowe's stocks the CM's too. BUT for the Bessey brand the
> Woodpeckers pricing is pretty good. If you are a die hard Bessey fan.
> >
> > However, I have a question:
> >
> > The CM has a 48" while the Bessey is 50". (I have a couple of Bessy 50"). Assuming
> > you have both, does that 2" difference ever force you to use the Besseys? (I'm thinking
> > about plywood being 48" and needing that extra 2" for ease of set up or maybe allow
> > for your double face frames, etc.)
> So I got the CM's several years before trying the Besseys and Jets.
>
> My longest CM's are 49" between jaws with the movable foot at the end.
> My Besseys are 41" for the same measurement. And I have shorter CM's
> and shorter Bessey's.
>
> When I need longer I have some 72" aluminum made by Universal Clamp
> company. They are the ones that have the slots cut in the bar for the
> sliding end.
>
> I almost always use my shorter CM's 30 something inches. to begin. My
> cabinets are never over 24" deep so gluing FF's onto the front and back
> of the carcass is not a problem.
>
> Sometimes I use the longer clamps on a wide FF to glue the rails and
> stiles together.
>
> So to explain my preference of the CM over the Bessey, the Bessey's do
> not slide up and down the bar smoothly. When I am in a hurry to open a
> clamp I don't want to be futzing with the sliding head. Also the CM's
> handle has a greater range of pivot compared to the Bessey. IMHO it is
> easier to unlock and keep unlocked the sliding head as I open it from
> one end to the other. I store the clamps withe the sliding heads
> clamped shut to the fixed end.
> The CM's have a longer screw travel. Once in place I can easily have
> enough screw travel to tighten the sliding head. The Bessey has to be
> just right for the sliding head to not run out of travel when tightening
> the handle. So actually using the CM's, for me, is a faster process
> from opening them to clamping them tight. And last and perhaps why the
> CM's work more freely, they seem to be just a bit looser fitting so that
> parts don't bind, like on the Besseys.

Just FYI...

You've explained your issues with the Bessey's before and I have agreed
with you 100%. ;-)

In fact, the 50" Bessey's were the first parallel clamps I ever bought and the
2 issues you mentioned were noticed on my first use. I was going to post
a question about how hard it was to move the head but never did. Then
sometime later you brought it up, so I knew it wasn't just my pair. Even to
this day I feel like I am damaging the grooves as the head chatters along
the rail.

On 11/20/2021 12:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 11:46:27 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> On 11/19/2021 1:32 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 1:39:15 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>>> FWIW
>>>>
>>>> Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K Body Revo Clamps.
>>>>
>>>> Approximately 30% off pairs.
>>>>
>>>> At a recent WW show I was advised by a Bessey rep that the Revo has been
>>>> redesigned and or upgraded. I could see no difference that I recall.
>>>> They said the bar was stronger/heavier.
>>>>
>>>> This may be an inventory clearance sale to make room for the new style
>>>> clamps.
>>>>
>>>> And FWIW I would choose Jorgensen Cabine tMaster clamps and Jet clamps,
>>>> in this order, over the Bessey clamps.
>>>> I have several of each and the Besseys are the ones I use when I have no
>>>> other choice. Just saying.
>>>
>>> Looks like the Amazon prices for the Cabinet Masters beat the WP sale prices on the
>>> 18" and 24" Besseys. The CM 36" is cheaper than the Bessey 31".
>> My local Lowe's stocks the CM's too. BUT for the Bessey brand the
>> Woodpeckers pricing is pretty good. If you are a die hard Bessey fan.
>>>
>>> However, I have a question:
>>>
>>> The CM has a 48" while the Bessey is 50". (I have a couple of Bessy 50"). Assuming
>>> you have both, does that 2" difference ever force you to use the Besseys? (I'm thinking
>>> about plywood being 48" and needing that extra 2" for ease of set up or maybe allow
>>> for your double face frames, etc.)
>> So I got the CM's several years before trying the Besseys and Jets.
>>
>> My longest CM's are 49" between jaws with the movable foot at the end.
>> My Besseys are 41" for the same measurement. And I have shorter CM's
>> and shorter Bessey's.
>>
>> When I need longer I have some 72" aluminum made by Universal Clamp
>> company. They are the ones that have the slots cut in the bar for the
>> sliding end.
>>
>> I almost always use my shorter CM's 30 something inches. to begin. My
>> cabinets are never over 24" deep so gluing FF's onto the front and back
>> of the carcass is not a problem.
>>
>> Sometimes I use the longer clamps on a wide FF to glue the rails and
>> stiles together.
>>
>> So to explain my preference of the CM over the Bessey, the Bessey's do
>> not slide up and down the bar smoothly. When I am in a hurry to open a
>> clamp I don't want to be futzing with the sliding head. Also the CM's
>> handle has a greater range of pivot compared to the Bessey. IMHO it is
>> easier to unlock and keep unlocked the sliding head as I open it from
>> one end to the other. I store the clamps withe the sliding heads
>> clamped shut to the fixed end.
>> The CM's have a longer screw travel. Once in place I can easily have
>> enough screw travel to tighten the sliding head. The Bessey has to be
>> just right for the sliding head to not run out of travel when tightening
>> the handle. So actually using the CM's, for me, is a faster process
>> from opening them to clamping them tight. And last and perhaps why the
>> CM's work more freely, they seem to be just a bit looser fitting so that
>> parts don't bind, like on the Besseys.
>
> Just FYI...
>
> You've explained your issues with the Bessey's before and I have agreed
> with you 100%. ;-)
>

Well I was not sure you saw my previous posts and I wanted to give you
my reasons.

> In fact, the 50" Bessey's were the first parallel clamps I ever bought and the
> 2 issues you mentioned were noticed on my first use. I was going to post
> a question about how hard it was to move the head but never did. Then
> sometime later you brought it up, so I knew it wasn't just my pair. Even to
> this day I feel like I am damaging the grooves as the head chatters along
> the rail.
>

Is sounds like the Bessey's are grinding metal when moving along the bar.

The CM's have a sound but more like a ringing rattle. ;~)

On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 3:24:08 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 11/20/2021 12:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 11:46:27 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >> On 11/19/2021 1:32 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >>> On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 1:39:15 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >>>> FWIW
> >>>>
> >>>> Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K Body Revo Clamps.
> >>>>
> >>>> Approximately 30% off pairs.
> >>>>
> >>>> At a recent WW show I was advised by a Bessey rep that the Revo has been
> >>>> redesigned and or upgraded. I could see no difference that I recall.
> >>>> They said the bar was stronger/heavier.
> >>>>
> >>>> This may be an inventory clearance sale to make room for the new style
> >>>> clamps.
> >>>>
> >>>> And FWIW I would choose Jorgensen Cabine tMaster clamps and Jet clamps,
> >>>> in this order, over the Bessey clamps.
> >>>> I have several of each and the Besseys are the ones I use when I have no
> >>>> other choice. Just saying.
> >>>
> >>> Looks like the Amazon prices for the Cabinet Masters beat the WP sale prices on the
> >>> 18" and 24" Besseys. The CM 36" is cheaper than the Bessey 31".
> >> My local Lowe's stocks the CM's too. BUT for the Bessey brand the
> >> Woodpeckers pricing is pretty good. If you are a die hard Bessey fan.
> >>>
> >>> However, I have a question:
> >>>
> >>> The CM has a 48" while the Bessey is 50". (I have a couple of Bessy 50"). Assuming
> >>> you have both, does that 2" difference ever force you to use the Besseys? (I'm thinking
> >>> about plywood being 48" and needing that extra 2" for ease of set up or maybe allow
> >>> for your double face frames, etc.)
> >> So I got the CM's several years before trying the Besseys and Jets.
> >>
> >> My longest CM's are 49" between jaws with the movable foot at the end.
> >> My Besseys are 41" for the same measurement. And I have shorter CM's
> >> and shorter Bessey's.
> >>
> >> When I need longer I have some 72" aluminum made by Universal Clamp
> >> company. They are the ones that have the slots cut in the bar for the
> >> sliding end.
> >>
> >> I almost always use my shorter CM's 30 something inches. to begin. My
> >> cabinets are never over 24" deep so gluing FF's onto the front and back
> >> of the carcass is not a problem.
> >>
> >> Sometimes I use the longer clamps on a wide FF to glue the rails and
> >> stiles together.
> >>
> >> So to explain my preference of the CM over the Bessey, the Bessey's do
> >> not slide up and down the bar smoothly. When I am in a hurry to open a
> >> clamp I don't want to be futzing with the sliding head. Also the CM's
> >> handle has a greater range of pivot compared to the Bessey. IMHO it is
> >> easier to unlock and keep unlocked the sliding head as I open it from
> >> one end to the other. I store the clamps withe the sliding heads
> >> clamped shut to the fixed end.
> >> The CM's have a longer screw travel. Once in place I can easily have
> >> enough screw travel to tighten the sliding head. The Bessey has to be
> >> just right for the sliding head to not run out of travel when tightening
> >> the handle. So actually using the CM's, for me, is a faster process
> >> from opening them to clamping them tight. And last and perhaps why the
> >> CM's work more freely, they seem to be just a bit looser fitting so that
> >> parts don't bind, like on the Besseys.
> >
> > Just FYI...
> >
> > You've explained your issues with the Bessey's before and I have agreed
> > with you 100%. ;-)
> >
> Well I was not sure you saw my previous posts and I wanted to give you
> my reasons.

I'm pretty sure that I see *all* of your posts. And lots of times I learn something.

> > In fact, the 50" Bessey's were the first parallel clamps I ever bought and the
> > 2 issues you mentioned were noticed on my first use. I was going to post
> > a question about how hard it was to move the head but never did. Then
> > sometime later you brought it up, so I knew it wasn't just my pair. Even to
> > this day I feel like I am damaging the grooves as the head chatters along
> > the rail.
> >
> Is sounds like the Bessey's are grinding metal when moving along the bar.

Exactly. Makes me cringe every time. I'm always imagining the day when I'll
move the head and it'll just slide along a smooth metal rail. No grooves left. :-0

>
> The CM's have a sound but more like a ringing rattle. ;~)

Record that for us, would you? ;-)

On 11/20/2021 2:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 3:24:08 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> On 11/20/2021 12:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 11:46:27 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 11/19/2021 1:32 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 1:39:15 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>>>>> FWIW
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K Body Revo Clamps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Approximately 30% off pairs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At a recent WW show I was advised by a Bessey rep that the Revo has been
>>>>>> redesigned and or upgraded. I could see no difference that I recall.
>>>>>> They said the bar was stronger/heavier.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This may be an inventory clearance sale to make room for the new style
>>>>>> clamps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And FWIW I would choose Jorgensen Cabine tMaster clamps and Jet clamps,
>>>>>> in this order, over the Bessey clamps.
>>>>>> I have several of each and the Besseys are the ones I use when I have no
>>>>>> other choice. Just saying.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks like the Amazon prices for the Cabinet Masters beat the WP sale prices on the
>>>>> 18" and 24" Besseys. The CM 36" is cheaper than the Bessey 31".
>>>> My local Lowe's stocks the CM's too. BUT for the Bessey brand the
>>>> Woodpeckers pricing is pretty good. If you are a die hard Bessey fan.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I have a question:
>>>>>
>>>>> The CM has a 48" while the Bessey is 50". (I have a couple of Bessy 50"). Assuming
>>>>> you have both, does that 2" difference ever force you to use the Besseys? (I'm thinking
>>>>> about plywood being 48" and needing that extra 2" for ease of set up or maybe allow
>>>>> for your double face frames, etc.)
>>>> So I got the CM's several years before trying the Besseys and Jets.
>>>>
>>>> My longest CM's are 49" between jaws with the movable foot at the end.
>>>> My Besseys are 41" for the same measurement. And I have shorter CM's
>>>> and shorter Bessey's.
>>>>
>>>> When I need longer I have some 72" aluminum made by Universal Clamp
>>>> company. They are the ones that have the slots cut in the bar for the
>>>> sliding end.
>>>>
>>>> I almost always use my shorter CM's 30 something inches. to begin. My
>>>> cabinets are never over 24" deep so gluing FF's onto the front and back
>>>> of the carcass is not a problem.
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes I use the longer clamps on a wide FF to glue the rails and
>>>> stiles together.
>>>>
>>>> So to explain my preference of the CM over the Bessey, the Bessey's do
>>>> not slide up and down the bar smoothly. When I am in a hurry to open a
>>>> clamp I don't want to be futzing with the sliding head. Also the CM's
>>>> handle has a greater range of pivot compared to the Bessey. IMHO it is
>>>> easier to unlock and keep unlocked the sliding head as I open it from
>>>> one end to the other. I store the clamps withe the sliding heads
>>>> clamped shut to the fixed end.
>>>> The CM's have a longer screw travel. Once in place I can easily have
>>>> enough screw travel to tighten the sliding head. The Bessey has to be
>>>> just right for the sliding head to not run out of travel when tightening
>>>> the handle. So actually using the CM's, for me, is a faster process
>>>> from opening them to clamping them tight. And last and perhaps why the
>>>> CM's work more freely, they seem to be just a bit looser fitting so that
>>>> parts don't bind, like on the Besseys.
>>>
>>> Just FYI...
>>>
>>> You've explained your issues with the Bessey's before and I have agreed
>>> with you 100%. ;-)
>>>
>> Well I was not sure you saw my previous posts and I wanted to give you
>> my reasons.
>
> I'm pretty sure that I see *all* of your posts. And lots of times I learn something.

Bonus! LOL

>
>>> In fact, the 50" Bessey's were the first parallel clamps I ever bought and the
>>> 2 issues you mentioned were noticed on my first use. I was going to post
>>> a question about how hard it was to move the head but never did. Then
>>> sometime later you brought it up, so I knew it wasn't just my pair. Even to
>>> this day I feel like I am damaging the grooves as the head chatters along
>>> the rail.
>>>
>> Is sounds like the Bessey's are grinding metal when moving along the bar.
>
> Exactly. Makes me cringe every time. I'm always imagining the day when I'll
> move the head and it'll just slide along a smooth metal rail. No grooves left. :-0
>
>>
>> The CM's have a sound but more like a ringing rattle. ;~)
>
> Record that for us, would you? ;-)
>

Ringey ringey ringey click! Its the hollow rollers that slide up and
down the bar. I do not believe Besseys have rollers.

On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 6:51:07 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 11/20/2021 2:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 3:24:08 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >> On 11/20/2021 12:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 11:46:27 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >>>> On 11/19/2021 1:32 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >>>>> On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 1:39:15 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >>>>>> FWIW
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K Body Revo Clamps.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Approximately 30% off pairs.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> At a recent WW show I was advised by a Bessey rep that the Revo has been
> >>>>>> redesigned and or upgraded. I could see no difference that I recall.
> >>>>>> They said the bar was stronger/heavier.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This may be an inventory clearance sale to make room for the new style
> >>>>>> clamps.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And FWIW I would choose Jorgensen Cabine tMaster clamps and Jet clamps,
> >>>>>> in this order, over the Bessey clamps.
> >>>>>> I have several of each and the Besseys are the ones I use when I have no
> >>>>>> other choice. Just saying.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Looks like the Amazon prices for the Cabinet Masters beat the WP sale prices on the
> >>>>> 18" and 24" Besseys. The CM 36" is cheaper than the Bessey 31".
> >>>> My local Lowe's stocks the CM's too. BUT for the Bessey brand the
> >>>> Woodpeckers pricing is pretty good. If you are a die hard Bessey fan.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> However, I have a question:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The CM has a 48" while the Bessey is 50". (I have a couple of Bessy 50"). Assuming
> >>>>> you have both, does that 2" difference ever force you to use the Besseys? (I'm thinking
> >>>>> about plywood being 48" and needing that extra 2" for ease of set up or maybe allow
> >>>>> for your double face frames, etc.)
> >>>> So I got the CM's several years before trying the Besseys and Jets.
> >>>>
> >>>> My longest CM's are 49" between jaws with the movable foot at the end.
> >>>> My Besseys are 41" for the same measurement. And I have shorter CM's
> >>>> and shorter Bessey's.
> >>>>
> >>>> When I need longer I have some 72" aluminum made by Universal Clamp
> >>>> company. They are the ones that have the slots cut in the bar for the
> >>>> sliding end.
> >>>>
> >>>> I almost always use my shorter CM's 30 something inches. to begin. My
> >>>> cabinets are never over 24" deep so gluing FF's onto the front and back
> >>>> of the carcass is not a problem.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sometimes I use the longer clamps on a wide FF to glue the rails and
> >>>> stiles together.
> >>>>
> >>>> So to explain my preference of the CM over the Bessey, the Bessey's do
> >>>> not slide up and down the bar smoothly. When I am in a hurry to open a
> >>>> clamp I don't want to be futzing with the sliding head. Also the CM's
> >>>> handle has a greater range of pivot compared to the Bessey. IMHO it is
> >>>> easier to unlock and keep unlocked the sliding head as I open it from
> >>>> one end to the other. I store the clamps withe the sliding heads
> >>>> clamped shut to the fixed end.
> >>>> The CM's have a longer screw travel. Once in place I can easily have
> >>>> enough screw travel to tighten the sliding head. The Bessey has to be
> >>>> just right for the sliding head to not run out of travel when tightening
> >>>> the handle. So actually using the CM's, for me, is a faster process
> >>>> from opening them to clamping them tight. And last and perhaps why the
> >>>> CM's work more freely, they seem to be just a bit looser fitting so that
> >>>> parts don't bind, like on the Besseys.
> >>>
> >>> Just FYI...
> >>>
> >>> You've explained your issues with the Bessey's before and I have agreed
> >>> with you 100%. ;-)
> >>>
> >> Well I was not sure you saw my previous posts and I wanted to give you
> >> my reasons.
> >
> > I'm pretty sure that I see *all* of your posts. And lots of times I learn something.
> Bonus! LOL
> >
> >>> In fact, the 50" Bessey's were the first parallel clamps I ever bought and the
> >>> 2 issues you mentioned were noticed on my first use. I was going to post
> >>> a question about how hard it was to move the head but never did. Then
> >>> sometime later you brought it up, so I knew it wasn't just my pair. Even to
> >>> this day I feel like I am damaging the grooves as the head chatters along
> >>> the rail.
> >>>
> >> Is sounds like the Bessey's are grinding metal when moving along the bar.
> >
> > Exactly. Makes me cringe every time. I'm always imagining the day when I'll
> > move the head and it'll just slide along a smooth metal rail. No grooves left. :-0
> >
> >>
> >> The CM's have a sound but more like a ringing rattle. ;~)
> >
> > Record that for us, would you? ;-)
> >
> Ringey ringey ringey click! Its the hollow rollers that slide up and
> down the bar. I do not believe Besseys have rollers.

On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 3:19:04 PM UTC-5, Bob Davis wrote:
> On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 6:51:07 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> > On 11/20/2021 2:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 3:24:08 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> > >> On 11/20/2021 12:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > >>> On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 11:46:27 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> > >>>> On 11/19/2021 1:32 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > >>>>> On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 1:39:15 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> > >>>>>> FWIW
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K Body Revo Clamps.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Approximately 30% off pairs.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> At a recent WW show I was advised by a Bessey rep that the Revo has been
> > >>>>>> redesigned and or upgraded. I could see no difference that I recall.
> > >>>>>> They said the bar was stronger/heavier.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> This may be an inventory clearance sale to make room for the new style
> > >>>>>> clamps.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> And FWIW I would choose Jorgensen Cabine tMaster clamps and Jet clamps,
> > >>>>>> in this order, over the Bessey clamps.
> > >>>>>> I have several of each and the Besseys are the ones I use when I have no
> > >>>>>> other choice. Just saying.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Looks like the Amazon prices for the Cabinet Masters beat the WP sale prices on the
> > >>>>> 18" and 24" Besseys. The CM 36" is cheaper than the Bessey 31".
> > >>>> My local Lowe's stocks the CM's too. BUT for the Bessey brand the
> > >>>> Woodpeckers pricing is pretty good. If you are a die hard Bessey fan.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> However, I have a question:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The CM has a 48" while the Bessey is 50". (I have a couple of Bessy 50"). Assuming
> > >>>>> you have both, does that 2" difference ever force you to use the Besseys? (I'm thinking
> > >>>>> about plywood being 48" and needing that extra 2" for ease of set up or maybe allow
> > >>>>> for your double face frames, etc.)
> > >>>> So I got the CM's several years before trying the Besseys and Jets..
> > >>>>
> > >>>> My longest CM's are 49" between jaws with the movable foot at the end.
> > >>>> My Besseys are 41" for the same measurement. And I have shorter CM's
> > >>>> and shorter Bessey's.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> When I need longer I have some 72" aluminum made by Universal Clamp
> > >>>> company. They are the ones that have the slots cut in the bar for the
> > >>>> sliding end.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I almost always use my shorter CM's 30 something inches. to begin. My
> > >>>> cabinets are never over 24" deep so gluing FF's onto the front and back
> > >>>> of the carcass is not a problem.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sometimes I use the longer clamps on a wide FF to glue the rails and
> > >>>> stiles together.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> So to explain my preference of the CM over the Bessey, the Bessey's do
> > >>>> not slide up and down the bar smoothly. When I am in a hurry to open a
> > >>>> clamp I don't want to be futzing with the sliding head. Also the CM's
> > >>>> handle has a greater range of pivot compared to the Bessey. IMHO it is
> > >>>> easier to unlock and keep unlocked the sliding head as I open it from
> > >>>> one end to the other. I store the clamps withe the sliding heads
> > >>>> clamped shut to the fixed end.
> > >>>> The CM's have a longer screw travel. Once in place I can easily have
> > >>>> enough screw travel to tighten the sliding head. The Bessey has to be
> > >>>> just right for the sliding head to not run out of travel when tightening
> > >>>> the handle. So actually using the CM's, for me, is a faster process
> > >>>> from opening them to clamping them tight. And last and perhaps why the
> > >>>> CM's work more freely, they seem to be just a bit looser fitting so that
> > >>>> parts don't bind, like on the Besseys.
> > >>>
> > >>> Just FYI...
> > >>>
> > >>> You've explained your issues with the Bessey's before and I have agreed
> > >>> with you 100%. ;-)
> > >>>
> > >> Well I was not sure you saw my previous posts and I wanted to give you
> > >> my reasons.
> > >
> > > I'm pretty sure that I see *all* of your posts. And lots of times I learn something.
> > Bonus! LOL
> > >
> > >>> In fact, the 50" Bessey's were the first parallel clamps I ever bought and the
> > >>> 2 issues you mentioned were noticed on my first use. I was going to post
> > >>> a question about how hard it was to move the head but never did. Then
> > >>> sometime later you brought it up, so I knew it wasn't just my pair. Even to
> > >>> this day I feel like I am damaging the grooves as the head chatters along
> > >>> the rail.
> > >>>
> > >> Is sounds like the Bessey's are grinding metal when moving along the bar.
> > >
> > > Exactly. Makes me cringe every time. I'm always imagining the day when I'll
> > > move the head and it'll just slide along a smooth metal rail. No grooves left. :-0
> > >
> > >>
> > >> The CM's have a sound but more like a ringing rattle. ;~)
> > >
> > > Record that for us, would you? ;-)
> > >
> > Ringey ringey ringey click! Its the hollow rollers that slide up and
> > down the bar. I do not believe Besseys have rollers.

I actually prefer the bessey clamps to the CM. The bessey clamps work better if you lube the screws and remember to squeeze the handle before you try to slide them. Then they will slide without all the gronchy clatter. If the screw is already at end of travel, unscrew it almost, but not quite all the way before sliding. when you get to the point you want to tighten the clamp, pull the handle out before you screw. Then it will clamp down hard with less than one turn.

This sounds like a lot of hassle, but it happens naturally after you do it a few times. I do not like the cms because of the giant heads. I use 12" and 24" besseys a lot for things like drawers and edge to edge glueups. I have a couple of the revos and find them to be even better. At any rate, you use what you've got. Cabinet clamps are too darned expensive to replace because you found another brand you like better.

Bob

On 11/21/2021 2:31 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
> On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 3:19:04 PM UTC-5, Bob Davis wrote:
>> On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 6:51:07 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>> On 11/20/2021 2:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 3:24:08 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>>>> On 11/20/2021 12:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 11:46:27 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/19/2021 1:32 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 1:39:15 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> FWIW
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K Body Revo Clamps.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Approximately 30% off pairs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At a recent WW show I was advised by a Bessey rep that the Revo has been
>>>>>>>>> redesigned and or upgraded. I could see no difference that I recall.
>>>>>>>>> They said the bar was stronger/heavier.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This may be an inventory clearance sale to make room for the new style
>>>>>>>>> clamps.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And FWIW I would choose Jorgensen Cabine tMaster clamps and Jet clamps,
>>>>>>>>> in this order, over the Bessey clamps.
>>>>>>>>> I have several of each and the Besseys are the ones I use when I have no
>>>>>>>>> other choice. Just saying.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looks like the Amazon prices for the Cabinet Masters beat the WP sale prices on the
>>>>>>>> 18" and 24" Besseys. The CM 36" is cheaper than the Bessey 31".
>>>>>>> My local Lowe's stocks the CM's too. BUT for the Bessey brand the
>>>>>>> Woodpeckers pricing is pretty good. If you are a die hard Bessey fan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, I have a question:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The CM has a 48" while the Bessey is 50". (I have a couple of Bessy 50"). Assuming
>>>>>>>> you have both, does that 2" difference ever force you to use the Besseys? (I'm thinking
>>>>>>>> about plywood being 48" and needing that extra 2" for ease of set up or maybe allow
>>>>>>>> for your double face frames, etc.)
>>>>>>> So I got the CM's several years before trying the Besseys and Jets.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My longest CM's are 49" between jaws with the movable foot at the end.
>>>>>>> My Besseys are 41" for the same measurement. And I have shorter CM's
>>>>>>> and shorter Bessey's.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I need longer I have some 72" aluminum made by Universal Clamp
>>>>>>> company. They are the ones that have the slots cut in the bar for the
>>>>>>> sliding end.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I almost always use my shorter CM's 30 something inches. to begin. My
>>>>>>> cabinets are never over 24" deep so gluing FF's onto the front and back
>>>>>>> of the carcass is not a problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sometimes I use the longer clamps on a wide FF to glue the rails and
>>>>>>> stiles together.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So to explain my preference of the CM over the Bessey, the Bessey's do
>>>>>>> not slide up and down the bar smoothly. When I am in a hurry to open a
>>>>>>> clamp I don't want to be futzing with the sliding head. Also the CM's
>>>>>>> handle has a greater range of pivot compared to the Bessey. IMHO it is
>>>>>>> easier to unlock and keep unlocked the sliding head as I open it from
>>>>>>> one end to the other. I store the clamps withe the sliding heads
>>>>>>> clamped shut to the fixed end.
>>>>>>> The CM's have a longer screw travel. Once in place I can easily have
>>>>>>> enough screw travel to tighten the sliding head. The Bessey has to be
>>>>>>> just right for the sliding head to not run out of travel when tightening
>>>>>>> the handle. So actually using the CM's, for me, is a faster process
>>>>>>> from opening them to clamping them tight. And last and perhaps why the
>>>>>>> CM's work more freely, they seem to be just a bit looser fitting so that
>>>>>>> parts don't bind, like on the Besseys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just FYI...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You've explained your issues with the Bessey's before and I have agreed
>>>>>> with you 100%. ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well I was not sure you saw my previous posts and I wanted to give you
>>>>> my reasons.
>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure that I see *all* of your posts. And lots of times I learn something.
>>> Bonus! LOL
>>>>
>>>>>> In fact, the 50" Bessey's were the first parallel clamps I ever bought and the
>>>>>> 2 issues you mentioned were noticed on my first use. I was going to post
>>>>>> a question about how hard it was to move the head but never did. Then
>>>>>> sometime later you brought it up, so I knew it wasn't just my pair. Even to
>>>>>> this day I feel like I am damaging the grooves as the head chatters along
>>>>>> the rail.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Is sounds like the Bessey's are grinding metal when moving along the bar.
>>>>
>>>> Exactly. Makes me cringe every time. I'm always imagining the day when I'll
>>>> move the head and it'll just slide along a smooth metal rail. No grooves left. :-0
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The CM's have a sound but more like a ringing rattle. ;~)
>>>>
>>>> Record that for us, would you? ;-)
>>>>
>>> Ringey ringey ringey click! Its the hollow rollers that slide up and
>>> down the bar. I do not believe Besseys have rollers.
>
> I actually prefer the bessey clamps to the CM. The bessey clamps work better if you lube the screws and remember to squeeze the handle before you try to slide them. Then they will slide without all the gronchy clatter. If the screw is already at end of travel, unscrew it almost, but not quite all the way before sliding. when you get to the point you want to tighten the clamp, pull the handle out before you screw. Then it will clamp down hard with less than one turn.
>
> This sounds like a lot of hassle, but it happens naturally after you do it a few times. I do not like the cms because of the giant heads. I use 12" and 24" besseys a lot for things like drawers and edge to edge glueups. I have a couple of the revos and find them to be even better. At any rate, you use what you've got. Cabinet clamps are too darned expensive to replace because you found another brand you like better.
>
> Bob
>
I thought you were on a cruise!

FWIW I got my CM's for about $17 each. THAT is when I switched to the K
style clamps. I was lucky enough to get that pricing because I bought
during the close out change over from aluminum to steel on the sliding
clamp.
The ones I got were aluminum and each of 10 failed one by one. BUT
Jorgensen replaced each head to the steel head at no charge under their
life time warranty. I may have started with the Bessey's first had I
not gotten such a great deal. Can you imagine 10 clamps for less than
$200?