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* New Netherlands immigrant origin (possible gateway ancestor?)Adam Hunley
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Subject: New Netherlands immigrant origin (possible gateway ancestor?)
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 by: Adam Hunley - Sat, 16 Jul 2022 14:28 UTC

Hello all!

I am seeking input on primary sources for early Dutch settlers at New Netherland.

Many Dutch genealogists identify Philip Langelaen (a known New Amsterdam settler who arrived in 1659 with his family) as Philip Claesz Langelaen, of Pijnacker, Holland. The most extensive documentation provided are records from the 1650s in Pijnacker that document Philip as a farmer, and the baptismal records of two of his daughters at Pijnacker. The births of the two daughters seem to correlate to two of his known daughters that immigrated with him. Additionally, Philip seems to disappear from Pijnacker at the "right" time as the New Netherland Philip appears.

I am wondering if any New Netherlands researchers have come across this and have any input or can send me in the right direction for primary sources.

Based on the Dutch websites, this identification (if correct) would connect Philip Langelaen to a minor family of Dutch gentry in Pijnacker through his mother, with speculative lines going back significantly into Dutch history.

One of the Dutch websites is https://www.genealogieonline.nl/stamboom-langelaan/I88.php
Sources seem scant, but then again, my Dutch is scant as well. I might be missing something.

Thanks!

Adam

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Subject: Re: New Netherlands immigrant origin (possible gateway ancestor?)
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 by: Gail Peterson - Sun, 17 Jul 2022 12:01 UTC

> Many Dutch genealogists identify Philip Langelaen (a known New Amsterdam settler who arrived in 1659 with his family) as Philip Claesz Langelaen, of Pijnacker, Holland. The most extensive documentation provided are records from the 1650s in Pijnacker that document Philip as a farmer, and the baptismal records of two of his daughters at Pijnacker.

> Based on the Dutch websites, this identification (if correct) would connect Philip Langelaen to a minor family of Dutch gentry in Pijnacker through his mother, with speculative lines going back significantly into Dutch history.

> One of the Dutch websites is https://www.genealogieonline.nl/stamboom-langelaan/I88.php
> Sources seem scant, but then again, my Dutch is scant as well. I might be missing something.

> Adam

Hi Adam,
I am sorry to say that I found nothing on that Dutch website that would indicate your ancestor, Philip Claesz Langelaan, was a member of nobility, but that does not mean a significant amount of information cannot be found about him. When I was researching my "German" Dutch (Pieterz) and "Dutch" Dutch (Schuyler) ancestors who immigrated to New Amsterdam in the mid to late 1600s, I found the following sites very useful:

U.S., Dutch Reformed Church Records in Selected States, 1639-1989 (English)
https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/6961/

Marriage Records of the Dutch Reformed Churches of Tappan and Clarkstown, Rockland County, New York 1694 – 1831 (English)
https://dutchgenie.net/bergen/DutchDoorGenealogy/Tappan-NY-DRC-Marriages-1694-1831.html

Netherlands, Marriage Index, 1575-1938 (Dutch)
https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/61285/

Netherlands, Burial Index, 1540-1899 (Dutch)
https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/61288/

Records of the Reformed Dutch Churches of Hackensack and Schraalenburgh New Jersey (English)
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89069297521&view=1up&seq=1&q1=Pietersen

Netherlands, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1910 (Dutch)
https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/60069/

Early settlers of Bushwick, Long Island, New York and their descendants (English)
https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/19028/

U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 (English)
https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/7836/

U.S. and Canada, Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s (English)
https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/7486/

Marriage Records of the Dutch Reformed Churches of Tappan and Clarkstown, Rockland County, New York 1694 – 1831 (English)
https://dutchgenie.net/bergen/DutchDoorGenealogy/Tappan-NY-DRC-Marriages-1694-1831.html

UK, American Loyalist Claims, 1776-1835 (English)
https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/3712/

Happy Hunting!!
~Gail

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 by: Enno Borgsteede - Sun, 17 Jul 2022 15:18 UTC

Hello Adam, Gail,

I accidentally sent a previous reply by mail, but this one goes to the
group.

> I am sorry to say that I found nothing on that Dutch website that would indicate your ancestor, Philip Claesz Langelaan, was a member of nobility, but that does not mean a significant amount of information cannot be found about him. When I was researching my "German" Dutch (Pieterz) and "Dutch" Dutch (Schuyler) ancestors who immigrated to New Amsterdam in the mid to late 1600s, I found the following sites very useful:

I checked the profile on Genealogie Online too, and found that all
sources are indirect, referencing tress on other sites, relying on My
Heritage, and 2 of 4 are dead links. There is one referencing WikiTree,
but there are no clues about noble ancestors there.

The link to Geni profile is dead too, because of the MH detour, but the
original profile can be found here:

https://www.geni.com/people/Philip-Langelaans/6000000000110259865

And this profile suggests a direct line from graaf Willem I:

Willem I van Wassenaar van Teijlingen

Dirk I van Brederode (van Teylingen)
his adopted son

Willem I van Brederode
his son

Floris I Willemsz. de Scoten van Adrichem
his son

Florentius de Rollant van Adrichem
his son

Heer Floris van Adrichem
his son

Heer Floris IV Floryszoon van Adrichem
his son

Claes Florisz. van Adrichem
his son

Maria Claesdr. van den Bergh
his daughter

Claes Vranckenz. van den Bergh
her son

Machteld Claesdr. van Adrichem
his daughter

Philips Claesz. van Adrichem
her son

Ariaantge Philipsdr. van Pijnacker
his daughter

Annetgen Adriaansdr Pijnacker
her daughter

Philip Claesz Langelaans
her son

Please note that all Dutch indexes mentioned below are available for
free on FamilySearch.

> Netherlands, Marriage Index, 1575-1938 (Dutch)
> https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/61285/
>
> Netherlands, Burial Index, 1540-1899 (Dutch)
> https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/61288/
>
> Netherlands, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1910 (Dutch)
> https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/60069/

And most local archives can also be searched on Bob Coret's open
archives portal:

https://www.openarch.nl/?lang=en

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