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On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 11:42:41 AM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
> Bs"d
>
> In this game https://lichess.org/7b22Dl363uwr a royal fork decided the game. After the fork the enemy surrendered.

I am shocked, you won without playing a gambit.

I know this guy. He belongs to a religious order in which one must vow never to move the king's knight. That's why he's only 1750. If he could move all his pieces he'd be a GM at least.

> The trouble with this fork is, I had something better.

Emanuel Lasker's advice more than 100 years ago - when you see a good move, don't just play it, look for something
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On 1/3/2022 3:48 PM, William Hyde wrote:
> On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 11:42:41 AM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
>> Bs"d
>>
>> In this game https://lichess.org/7b22Dl363uwr a royal fork decided the game. After the fork the enemy surrendered.
>
> I am shocked, you won without playing a gambit.
>
> I know this guy. He belongs to a religious order in which one must vow never to move the king's knight. That's why he's only 1750. If he could move all his pieces he'd be a GM at least.
>
>
>> The trouble with this fork is, I had something better.
>
> Emanuel Lasker's advice more than 100 years ago - when you see a good move, don't just play it, look for something
> better.

Good advice. But that advice pertains even more to Go than it does to Chess.

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 by: Eli Kesef - Tue, 4 Jan 2022 15:15 UTC

On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 1:03:29 AM UTC+2, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 1/3/2022 3:48 PM, William Hyde wrote:
> > On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 11:42:41 AM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
> >> Bs"d
> >>
> >> In this game https://lichess.org/7b22Dl363uwr a royal fork decided the game. After the fork the enemy surrendered.
> >
> > I am shocked, you won without playing a gambit.
> >
> > I know this guy. He belongs to a religious order in which one must vow never to move the king's knight. That's why he's only 1750. If he could move all his pieces he'd be a GM at least.
> >
> >
> >> The trouble with this fork is, I had something better.
> >
> > Emanuel Lasker's advice more than 100 years ago - when you see a good move, don't just play it, look for something
> > better.
> Good advice. But that advice pertains even more to Go than it does to Chess.

Bs¨d

Emanuel Lasker was a Go player??

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 by: Eli Kesef - Tue, 4 Jan 2022 15:20 UTC

On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 9:30:18 PM UTC+2, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 1/3/2022 9:42 AM, Eli Kesef wrote:
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> > In this game https://lichess.org/7b22Dl363uwr a royal fork decided the game. After the fork the enemy surrendered.
> >
> > The trouble with this fork is, I had something better. I know, it is hard to believe that there is something more beautiful than a royal fork, but I had here a mate in three, which included a queen sacrifice. And THAT is beautiful!
> Incredibly beautiful. It might have taken me a whole three or four
> seconds to see it.

Bs¨d

Well, I did look at it during the game, but I thought that when the bishop would take my queen, en then the rook comes to the first row, that the king could step in the place where the bishop came from. I didn´t realize the horse made that impossible, so I didn´t play it because of that miscalculation. But it was nagging me after the enemy resigned, I felt I had missed something, so I checked it, and then I saw it.

Happens.

https://tinyurl.com/queen-sac-striking

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 by: Ken Blake - Tue, 4 Jan 2022 16:25 UTC

On 1/4/2022 8:15 AM, Eli Kesef wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 1:03:29 AM UTC+2, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On 1/3/2022 3:48 PM, William Hyde wrote:
>> > On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 11:42:41 AM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
>> >> Bs"d
>> >>
>> >> In this game https://lichess.org/7b22Dl363uwr a royal fork decided the game. After the fork the enemy surrendered.
>> >
>> > I am shocked, you won without playing a gambit.
>> >
>> > I know this guy. He belongs to a religious order in which one must vow never to move the king's knight. That's why he's only 1750. If he could move all his pieces he'd be a GM at least.
>> >
>> >
>> >> The trouble with this fork is, I had something better.
>> >
>> > Emanuel Lasker's advice more than 100 years ago - when you see a good move, don't just play it, look for something
>> > better.
>> Good advice. But that advice pertains even more to Go than it does to Chess.
>
> Bs¨d
>
> Emanuel Lasker was a Go player??

No, but Edward Lasker (a distant relative) was. His book "Modern Chess
Strategy with an Appendix on Go" was the first place I ever heard of Go.

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Bs"d

Got another royal fork: https://lichess.org/xldvMAYqPyAy

The enemy limped on for 2 more moves, but then realized that all resistance was futile, en surrendered.

https://tinyurl.com/violent-sport

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 by: Ken Blake - Tue, 4 Jan 2022 22:51 UTC

On 1/4/2022 3:36 PM, Eli Kesef wrote:
> Bs"d
>
> Got another royal fork: https://lichess.org/xldvMAYqPyAy
>
> The enemy limped on for 2 more moves, but then realized that all resistance was futile, en surrendered.
>

It's hard to believe that you won a game against a player with such
incredible skills in the opening.

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On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 12:51:37 AM UTC+2, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 1/4/2022 3:36 PM, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > Bs"d
> >
> > Got another royal fork: https://lichess.org/xldvMAYqPyAy
> >
> > The enemy limped on for 2 more moves, but then realized that all resistance was futile, en surrendered.
> >
> It's hard to believe that you won a game against a player with such
> incredible skills in the opening.

Bs"d

Also a blind chicken sometimes finds a kernel of grain.

https://tinyurl.com/calm-win

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On 1/4/2022 11:39 PM, Eli Kesef wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 12:51:37 AM UTC+2, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On 1/4/2022 3:36 PM, Eli Kesef wrote:
>> > Bs"d
>> >
>> > Got another royal fork: https://lichess.org/xldvMAYqPyAy
>> >
>> > The enemy limped on for 2 more moves, but then realized that all resistance was futile, en surrendered.
>> >
>> It's hard to believe that you won a game against a player with such
>> incredible skills in the opening.
>
> Bs"d
>
> Also a blind chicken sometimes finds a kernel of grain.

More to the point, I don't want to see the same games you post again and
again and again, nor a game like this one that you won against an
obviously incompetent player who played incredibly badly. I can't speak
for everyone else here (there aren't many of us these days), but it's
hard to imagine that anyone else here wants to see your boring
repetitive games either.

If you posted a game that you won by playing extremely well against
someone who also played extremely well, and it wasn't a duplicate of
some other game that you had posted, yes, I'd be interested in seeing it
(you'll never post such a game because there aren't any).

But I'm not interested in seeing the repetitive junk you post, not even
the games that contain what you laughably call "the most beautiful and
devastating tactical concept" or a "royal fork."

Your self-aggrandizing posts are not appreciated. What you need is a
royal fuck, preferably by a horse, not a knight.

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On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 6:10:16 PM UTC+2, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 1/4/2022 11:39 PM, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 12:51:37 AM UTC+2, Ken Blake wrote:
> >> On 1/4/2022 3:36 PM, Eli Kesef wrote:
> >> > Bs"d
> >> >
> >> > Got another royal fork: https://lichess.org/xldvMAYqPyAy
> >> >
> >> > The enemy limped on for 2 more moves, but then realized that all resistance was futile, en surrendered.
> >> >
> >> It's hard to believe that you won a game against a player with such
> >> incredible skills in the opening.
> >
> > Bs"d
> >
> > Also a blind chicken sometimes finds a kernel of grain.
>
>
> More to the point, I don't want to see the same games you post again and
> again and again, nor a game like this one that you won against an
> obviously incompetent player who played incredibly badly. I can't speak
> for everyone else here (there aren't many of us these days), but it's
> hard to imagine that anyone else here wants to see your boring
> repetitive games either.
>
> If you posted a game that you won by playing extremely well against
> someone who also played extremely well, and it wasn't a duplicate of
> some other game that you had posted, yes, I'd be interested in seeing it
> (you'll never post such a game because there aren't any).
>
> But I'm not interested in seeing the repetitive junk you post, not even
> the games that contain what you laughably call "the most beautiful and
> devastating tactical concept" or a "royal fork."

Bs"d

Well Ken, this is your lucky day today, because I have the solution for your problem. And the good news is: You don't have to pay for it! I'll hand this out pro-bono.

The solution is: Don't read my posts anymore, and you don't have to be aggravated anymore by them. It really is that simple.

So stay away from the threads that I started, and your life will all be sunshine and the smell of roses again. No more will you have to be irritated by my posts which you hate so much.

So Ken, good luck with your new life, free of my irritating posts, and be well!

https://tinyurl.com/4k-with-u

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Bs"d

And here another game, which game to a sudden end by means of a royal fork: https://lichess.org/mf6juCsRSeNE

https://tinyurl.com/horse-fork

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On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 1:04:11 PM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
> Bs"d
>
> And here another game, which game to a sudden end by means of a royal fork: https://lichess.org/5IVcBp0yINqj

You won without catching someone in a memorized opening trap. Congratulations.

Your opponent uses the name of Tarrasch. He should know that Dr T considered the Falkbeer (which you played) to be the refutation of the king's gambit. Certainly he did nothing here to prove his namesake wrong.

William Hyde

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On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 9:41:01 PM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 1:04:11 PM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > Bs"d
> >
> > And here another game, which game to a sudden end by means of a royal fork: https://lichess.org/5IVcBp0yINqj
> You won without catching someone in a memorized opening trap. Congratulations.

Bs"d

Unfortunately, only in a small minority of my games I have successful opening traps.

> Your opponent uses the name of Tarrasch. He should know that Dr T considered the Falkbeer (which you played) to be the refutation of the king's gambit. Certainly he did nothing here to prove his namesake wrong.

The Falkbeer is the standard answer to the kings gambit. Really funny it gets when the enemy takes the wrong pawn, then he loses his castle.
That happens once in a while.

https://tinyurl.com/always-worse

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On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 13:59:07 -0800 (PST), Eli Kesef
<nastyhorsefork@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 9:41:01 PM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
>> On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 1:04:11 PM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
>> > Bs"d
>> >
>> > And here another game, which game to a sudden end by means of a royal fork: https://lichess.org/5IVcBp0yINqj
>> You won without catching someone in a memorized opening trap. Congratulations.
>
>Bs"d
>
>Unfortunately, only in a small minority of my games I have successful opening traps.
>
>> Your opponent uses the name of Tarrasch. He should know that Dr T considered the Falkbeer (which you played) to be the refutation of the king's gambit. Certainly he did nothing here to prove his namesake wrong.
>
>The Falkbeer is the standard answer to the kings gambit.

Standard for you, perhaps. Not standard in general.

> Really funny it gets when the enemy takes the wrong pawn, then he loses his castle.
>That happens once in a while.
>
> https://tinyurl.com/always-worse
>

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Bs"d

And here another game, which game to a sudden end by means of a royal fork: https://lichess.org/LQu52jLXKG5q

The horse fork truly is a killer tactic :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bDcAb3xRfU

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 by: William Hyde - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 22:53 UTC

On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 4:11:24 AM UTC-5, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 15:17:13 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
> wrote:
> >>The Falkbeer is the standard answer to the kings gambit.
> >
> >
> >Standard for you, perhaps. Not standard in general.
> >
> Don't tell him about Fischer's "The King's Gambit is busted" which he
> wrote before he was 20.....hint: it DOESN'T involve the Falkbeer
>
> I've played the Falkbeer in a few speed games for quarters - I
> wouldn't dream of it in a serious game. (Especially since most of my
> speed opponents were higher rated and I had a minus score against
> them! This is the sort of things players do between rounds at
> tournaments)

I had a friend in Texas who played the king's gambit. I knew we were to play in a few days, with him as white, so I resolved to play the Falkbeer. Not that I knew anything beyond move three, and I wasn't rational enough to actually study the opening. It was rather scary when he had this mass of central pawns and I had nothing but some developed pieces. But as you might expect, the pieces were more important. Of course he was a much lower rated player. I wouldn't have had the courage to play this against a fellow expert, not without booking up.

On the other hand when the Falkbeer was played against me by a somewhat weaker opponent, I had serious trouble and was probably lost. But this was g/30 and blunders changed the logical course of the game.

The Cochrane was very popular at the time. I never played e4 in regular tournaments but ventured it in g/30 where I got the opportunity for that knight sac. Once again I wondered what the hell I had just done though it was in the end a fairly short win. I think I am just not the gambit type. Much too materialistic.

William Hyde

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 by: Eli Kesef - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 23:13 UTC

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 12:53:36 AM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
> On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 4:11:24 AM UTC-5, The Horny Goat wrote:
> > On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 15:17:13 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>The Falkbeer is the standard answer to the kings gambit.
> > >
> > >
> > >Standard for you, perhaps. Not standard in general.
> > >
> > Don't tell him about Fischer's "The King's Gambit is busted" which he
> > wrote before he was 20.....hint: it DOESN'T involve the Falkbeer
> >
> > I've played the Falkbeer in a few speed games for quarters - I
> > wouldn't dream of it in a serious game. (Especially since most of my
> > speed opponents were higher rated and I had a minus score against
> > them! This is the sort of things players do between rounds at
> > tournaments)
> I had a friend in Texas who played the king's gambit. I knew we were to play in a few days, with him as white, so I resolved to play the Falkbeer. Not that I knew anything beyond move three, and I wasn't rational enough to actually study the opening. It was rather scary when he had this mass of central pawns and I had nothing but some developed pieces. But as you might expect, the pieces were more important. Of course he was a much lower rated player. I wouldn't have had the courage to play this against a fellow expert, not without booking up.
>
> On the other hand when the Falkbeer was played against me by a somewhat weaker opponent, I had serious trouble and was probably lost. But this was g/30 and blunders changed the logical course of the game.

Bs"d

What is g/30?

> The Cochrane was very popular at the time. I never played e4 in regular tournaments but ventured it in g/30 where I got the opportunity for that knight sac. Once again I wondered what the hell I had just done though it was in the end a fairly short win. I think I am just not the gambit type. Much too materialistic.

I prefer to sacrifice no more than a pawn. On my patzer level that usually doesn't make a difference in the long run, and usually you do get compensation for it, either fast development or a good attack.

So I think it's worth it.

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On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 9:28:01 AM UTC+2, The Horny Goat wrote:

> those traps are more annoying than educational.

Bs"d

If those traps work then they are incredibly funny!

And that's what it's all about; having fun.

https://tinyurl.com/Joz1-9

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On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 9:28:01 AM UTC+2, The Horny Goat wrote:

> those traps are more annoying than educational.

Bs"d

If those traps work then they are incredibly funny!

And that's what it's all about; having fun.

I want to end this post with an adorable quote from Bobby:

https://tinyurl.com/bobby-genius

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 by: Eli Kesef - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:39 UTC

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 11:18:02 AM UTC+2, Eli Kesef wrote:
> On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 9:28:01 AM UTC+2, The Horny Goat wrote:
>
> > those traps are more annoying than educational.
> Bs"d
>
> If those traps work then they are incredibly funny!
>
> And that's what it's all about; having fun.

Bs"d

Take for instance this game, freshly played: https://lichess.org/XNiDLDgJjyIH

After my Zukertort I got a Tennison, but the enemy was (for Lichess standards, and my standards) a kind of high rated, so I didn't go for the simple trap whereby the queen suddenly makes the three-pronged attack, because that is too easy to see coming, and I didn't think this guy would fall for it. In stead I went for the more complicated one, which is a lot harder too see, and the enemy fell for it, and lot of complicated (again; for my standards) play followed. On move 17, after a lot of blundering from both sides, I was 7 points ahead. The enemy king had been walking to g3, and on move 24 he surrendered. And from the beginning to the end I was in the drivers seat, threatening the enemy, and reaping his pieces. Do you have any idea how much fun that is? :D

Yes, I know, on higher levels you will never see a game like this, but that is no problem, because I don't play on any level, and neither do my opponents, so that is totally irrelevant for me.

I'm having a lot of fun with a game like that, and that's what it's all about.

https://tinyurl.com/carry-on-Tennison

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Bs"d

And yet another royal fork demolished the enemy: https://lichess.org/GybOT5ARTDkS

Horse forks are terrible things....

https://tinyurl.com/love-fork

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On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 9:28:01 AM UTC+2, The Horny Goat wrote:

> any B player or above
> shouldn't fall into one of our friend's silly traps.

Bs"d

Reshevsky was many times champion of America, he was a candidate for the world title, but he fell victim to an opening trap played against him by a 14 year old boy, and he lost his queen on move 12 for 2 light pieces, and was lost.

But opening traps don't work for B players and above??

https://tinyurl.com/killtrap

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 by: Ken Blake - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 15:49 UTC

On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 01:18:00 -0800 (PST), Eli Kesef
<nastyhorsefork@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 9:28:01 AM UTC+2, The Horny Goat wrote:
>
>> those traps are more annoying than educational.
>
>Bs"d
>
>If those traps work then they are incredibly funny!
>
>And that's what it's all about; having fun.
>
>I want to end this post with an adorable quote from Bobby:
>
>https://tinyurl.com/bobby-genius

Adorable? Not to me. That quote says he considers himself to be an
all-around genius. That's nothing but stupid bragodoccio.

I knew him very well in his early chess-playing days. Perhaps he was a
"Chess genius," but he was far from being an all-around genius. As far
as I'm concerned, despite his Chess skills, he was an all around
idiot.

To make it worse, he was very poorly educated in everything but chess.
He knew next to nothing about anything but chess.

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 by: William Hyde - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 22:28 UTC

On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:13:44 PM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
> On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 12:53:36 AM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 4:11:24 AM UTC-5, The Horny Goat wrote:
> > > On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 15:17:13 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>The Falkbeer is the standard answer to the kings gambit.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Standard for you, perhaps. Not standard in general.
> > > >
> > > Don't tell him about Fischer's "The King's Gambit is busted" which he
> > > wrote before he was 20.....hint: it DOESN'T involve the Falkbeer
> > >
> > > I've played the Falkbeer in a few speed games for quarters - I
> > > wouldn't dream of it in a serious game. (Especially since most of my
> > > speed opponents were higher rated and I had a minus score against
> > > them! This is the sort of things players do between rounds at
> > > tournaments)
> > I had a friend in Texas who played the king's gambit. I knew we were to play in a few days, with him as white, so I resolved to play the Falkbeer. Not that I knew anything beyond move three, and I wasn't rational enough to actually study the opening. It was rather scary when he had this mass of central pawns and I had nothing but some developed pieces. But as you might expect, the pieces were more important. Of course he was a much lower rated player. I wouldn't have had the courage to play this against a fellow expert, not without booking up.
> >
> > On the other hand when the Falkbeer was played against me by a somewhat weaker opponent, I had serious trouble and was probably lost. But this was g/30 and blunders changed the logical course of the game.
> Bs"d
>
> What is g/30?

A game in which each side has 30 minutes. If I am reading lichess properly, you are playing either g/5 or g/15.

I like g/15. It doesn't go on too long but you have time to do some thinking. On the whole I've done much better at g/15 than any other time control..

> > The Cochrane was very popular at the time. I never played e4 in regular tournaments but ventured it in g/30 where I got the opportunity for that knight sac. Once again I wondered what the hell I had just done though it was in the end a fairly short win. I think I am just not the gambit type. Much too materialistic.
> I prefer to sacrifice no more than a pawn. On my patzer level that usually doesn't make a difference in the long run, and usually you do get compensation for it, either fast development or a good attack.

In the Cochrane you get two pawns for the knight, and two important ones, the e and f pawns. So it is equivalent to a pawn sacrifice and your huge centre gives you good play.

However, you don't generally win in eight moves, even against weak players, so it's probably not for you.

If you ever face a stafford gambit enthusiast, though, it might be worth trying the same sacrifice, just to avoid the ignominy of being sacrificed against. Admittedly it is hard to get into a Petroff after 1Nf3.

William Hyde

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 by: Eli Kesef - Sat, 26 Feb 2022 17:36 UTC

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 12:28:43 AM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
> > Bs"d
> >
> > What is g/30?
> A game in which each side has 30 minutes. If I am reading lichess properly, you are playing either g/5 or g/15.

Bs"d

I play almost always 15/15, that is 15 minutes for the whole game, and with every move you get 15 seconds extra on the clock.

> I like g/15. It doesn't go on too long but you have time to do some thinking. On the whole I've done much better at g/15 than any other time control..

I need serious time to think before I blunder. My brain doesn't work so fast.

> > > The Cochrane was very popular at the time. I never played e4 in regular tournaments but ventured it in g/30 where I got the opportunity for that knight sac. Once again I wondered what the hell I had just done though it was in the end a fairly short win. I think I am just not the gambit type. Much too materialistic.
> > I prefer to sacrifice no more than a pawn. On my patzer level that usually doesn't make a difference in the long run, and usually you do get compensation for it, either fast development or a good attack.
> In the Cochrane you get two pawns for the knight, and two important ones, the e and f pawns. So it is equivalent to a pawn sacrifice and your huge centre gives you good play.

I did it once, lost quickly, and that was the last time I played it.

> However, you don't generally win in eight moves, even against weak players, so it's probably not for you.
>
> If you ever face a stafford gambit enthusiast, though, it might be worth trying the same sacrifice, just to avoid the ignominy of being sacrificed against. Admittedly it is hard to get into a Petroff after 1Nf3.

I'm having a lot of fun with the Tennison gambit. When I get tired of that one, I might start looking for something new.

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