On Mon, 30 May 2022 15:26:45 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
<keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:

>Lock Trump Up

It is starting to look like Hunter may end up in the dock before Trump
and the Sussman trial isn't making Hillary look so good either.
It turns out the "Russian collusion" and the "Pee Tapes" were just
made up and nobody "in the know" in the government (FBI/CIA) really
believed it.
It made Democrat nipples hard and CNN/MSNBC milked it for all it was
worth. You folks gobbled it up.
I voted for Jo J. so I don't have a dog in that fight. .

On 5/30/22 12:34 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> On Mon, 30 May 2022 15:26:45 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
> <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>
>> Lock Trump Up
>
> It is starting to look like Hunter may end up in the dock before Trump
> and the Sussman trial isn't making Hillary look so good either.
> It turns out the "Russian collusion" and the "Pee Tapes" were just
> made up and nobody "in the know" in the government (FBI/CIA) really
> believed it.
> It made Democrat nipples hard and CNN/MSNBC milked it for all it was
> worth. You folks gobbled it up.
> I voted for Jo J. so I don't have a dog in that fight. .

My only interest in Trump these days is that he continues to demonstrate
he is great at making a horse's ass of himself and the morons that
follow him continue to do so.

Meanwhile, we continue to look for a retirement town. K reaches full
private pension retirement age this year, but she likely will stay
another year. After eliminating Hilton Head, we checked out Pooler, a
real nice suburb of Savannah, but it was "too suburban" for our taste.
We're kind of thinking of the area between St. Augustine and
Jacksonville. Lots of medical facilities, which K needs for her
practice, tons of restaurants, shopping, and, of course, terrific
beaches and some seasonality. Plus, for the moment, at least, the crazy
right-wingers no longer rule the roost in all of NE Florida politically.
We'll see.

--
* Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. *

On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 1:20:57 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
> On 5/30/22 12:34 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> > On Mon, 30 May 2022 15:26:45 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
> > <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Lock Trump Up
> >
> > It is starting to look like Hunter may end up in the dock before Trump
> > and the Sussman trial isn't making Hillary look so good either.
> > It turns out the "Russian collusion" and the "Pee Tapes" were just
> > made up and nobody "in the know" in the government (FBI/CIA) really
> > believed it.
> > It made Democrat nipples hard and CNN/MSNBC milked it for all it was
> > worth. You folks gobbled it up.
> > I voted for Jo J. so I don't have a dog in that fight. .
> My only interest in Trump these days is that he continues to demonstrate
> he is great at making a horse's ass of himself and the morons that
> follow him continue to do so.
>
> Meanwhile, we continue to look for a retirement town. K reaches full
> private pension retirement age this year, but she likely will stay
> another year. After eliminating Hilton Head, we checked out Pooler, a
> real nice suburb of Savannah, but it was "too suburban" for our taste.
> We're kind of thinking of the area between St. Augustine and
> Jacksonville. Lots of medical facilities, which K needs for her
> practice, tons of restaurants, shopping, and, of course, terrific
> beaches and some seasonality. Plus, for the moment, at least, the crazy
> right-wingers no longer rule the roost in all of NE Florida politically.
> We'll see.
>
> --
> * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. *

==
My youngest son's in-laws found the area around Jacksonville too cold for them in the winter so they sold their very nice condo on the beach and moved farther south to the St Lucie area. Going north, we have a number of friends who have found happiness in an area called Fairfield Harbour, NC. It is on the Neuse River very close to New Bern. Also in NC is a development called St James. It is right off the ICW and an easy drive to Wilmington. We have a friend who lives there and it is a very pleasant locale with a lot of amenities.

On Mon, 30 May 2022 13:20:53 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:

>On 5/30/22 12:34 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 15:26:45 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>> <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Lock Trump Up
>>
>> It is starting to look like Hunter may end up in the dock before Trump
>> and the Sussman trial isn't making Hillary look so good either.
>> It turns out the "Russian collusion" and the "Pee Tapes" were just
>> made up and nobody "in the know" in the government (FBI/CIA) really
>> believed it.
>> It made Democrat nipples hard and CNN/MSNBC milked it for all it was
>> worth. You folks gobbled it up.
>> I voted for Jo J. so I don't have a dog in that fight. .
>
>My only interest in Trump these days is that he continues to demonstrate
>he is great at making a horse's ass of himself and the morons that
>follow him continue to do so.
>
I think Trump is pretty much history. His candidates took a good
beating in the primaries so far.

>Meanwhile, we continue to look for a retirement town. K reaches full
>private pension retirement age this year, but she likely will stay
>another year. After eliminating Hilton Head, we checked out Pooler, a
>real nice suburb of Savannah, but it was "too suburban" for our taste.
>We're kind of thinking of the area between St. Augustine and
>Jacksonville. Lots of medical facilities, which K needs for her
>practice, tons of restaurants, shopping, and, of course, terrific
>beaches and some seasonality. Plus, for the moment, at least, the crazy
>right-wingers no longer rule the roost in all of NE Florida politically.
>We'll see.

It just depends on where you are. The farther you get out of the urban
area the redder it gets.
We just got back from the Georgia mountains. (Young Harris). If I was
going to have a place "up north" it would be in the mountains but I
want to be back here before it starts snowing. I really like it better
out west tho. We really like Montana and Western Wyoming near Idaho. I
am just not rich enough to do both. Property out there is seeing the
same silly prices as they are here.

<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 May 2022 13:20:53 -0400, Keyser Söze
> <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/30/22 12:34 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 15:26:45 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>>> <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lock Trump Up
>>>
>>> It is starting to look like Hunter may end up in the dock before Trump
>>> and the Sussman trial isn't making Hillary look so good either.
>>> It turns out the "Russian collusion" and the "Pee Tapes" were just
>>> made up and nobody "in the know" in the government (FBI/CIA) really
>>> believed it.
>>> It made Democrat nipples hard and CNN/MSNBC milked it for all it was
>>> worth. You folks gobbled it up.
>>> I voted for Jo J. so I don't have a dog in that fight. .
>>
>> My only interest in Trump these days is that he continues to demonstrate
>> he is great at making a horse's ass of himself and the morons that
>> follow him continue to do so.
>>
> I think Trump is pretty much history. His candidates took a good
> beating in the primaries so far.
>
>> Meanwhile, we continue to look for a retirement town. K reaches full
>> private pension retirement age this year, but she likely will stay
>> another year. After eliminating Hilton Head, we checked out Pooler, a
>> real nice suburb of Savannah, but it was "too suburban" for our taste.
>> We're kind of thinking of the area between St. Augustine and
>> Jacksonville. Lots of medical facilities, which K needs for her
>> practice, tons of restaurants, shopping, and, of course, terrific
>> beaches and some seasonality. Plus, for the moment, at least, the crazy
>> right-wingers no longer rule the roost in all of NE Florida politically.
>> We'll see.
>
> It just depends on where you are. The farther you get out of the urban
> area the redder it gets.
> We just got back from the Georgia mountains. (Young Harris). If I was
> going to have a place "up north" it would be in the mountains but I
> want to be back here before it starts snowing. I really like it better
> out west tho. We really like Montana and Western Wyoming near Idaho. I
> am just not rich enough to do both. Property out there is seeing the
> same silly prices as they are here.
>

Wife’s auntie lives in the western NC mountains. She’s my favorite in-law
and the mountains are nice, but I like to be near the ocean or at least a
saltwater bay.

--
Lock Trump Up

On Sun, 29 May 2022 17:09:34 -0700 (PDT), True North
<princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, 29 May 2022 at 20:43:55 UTC-3, John H wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 22:29:10 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> >On Thu, 19 May 2022 06:46:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Wed, 18 May 2022 19:46:27 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>>Is taking a pill a 'wise decision'? Is it more wise than having an
>> >>>>abortion?
>> >>>
>> >>>Yes it is a decision and one they have to consciously make. They need
>> >>>to go to the effort to get a prescription, come up with the $10 a
>> >>>month to pay, then remember to take the pills on time and in sync.
>> >>>If they screw up the pills, they can increase the chance of getting
>> >>>pregnant.
>> >>>That involves a conscious effort and more than a little wisdom.
>> >>>Throw a few drugs in the mix and this may be beyond their ability
>> >>>
>> >>You're suggesting that taking one morning after or two abortion pills
>> >>is a bigger decision than getting an abortion. Do you think abortions
>> >>are free? The pills may cost $100, now do some reading:
>> >>
>> >>Are Abortions Free At Planned Parenthood?
>> >>Abortion is often sold as the most financially beneficial option for
>> >>women experiencing unplanned pregnancies. Because of that, we’re often
>> >>asked if abortions are free. The answer is no — abortions are not free
>> >>at Planned Parenthood or other abortion clinics. Each procedure costs
>> >>hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars depending on what stage of
>> >>pregnancy the woman is in.
>> >>
>> >
>> >What part of irresponsible are you confused about?
>> >You are extending your privileged white boy thinking onto a society
>> >that isn't.
>> >BTW I am sure lots of abortions get dumped back on the public dime
>> >somehow and there should be more. It is the most efficient use of the
>> >money unless you are using mandatory implants.
>> >
>> >Sell that.
>> >
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>It's not 'pro-choice', it's 'pro-death'. After all, it's only a fetus
>> >>>>>>kicking, right?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I would rather kill a kicking fetus than have to kill them when they
>> >>>>>are kicking in my door.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>So all babies born to the poor will kick at your door?
>> >>>
>> >>>It is a statistical fact. Where is most of the crime and most of the
>> >>>murders?
>> >>>The "My door" part was metaphorical but it wasn't always. I lived in
>> >>>SE DC where these kind of crimes were more prevalent until I could
>> >>>afford to get out. I probably knew a lot more people in that
>> >>>socioeconomic situation than you did.
>> >>>These are not the most responsible bunch.
>> >>>
>> >>>All that said, if they would pop Norplants in those girls in middle
>> >>>school, I would like to chip in.
>> >>>Try to get the righteous right to agree with that.
>> >>>You may be more progressive than some of your counterparts but you get
>> >>>judged by the people you associate with.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Nonsensical comments, Greg.
>> >>>
>> >>>Actually not. I only deal with reality.
>> >>
>> >>I do agree that the poor should lhave fewer kids. However, the pills
>> >>work, are cheap, and require a hell of a lot less thought than a 12
>> >>week abortion.
>> >
>> >Birth control pills require a constant thought, every day, that you
>> >can't screw up and ignore. Miss a couple pills and the girl might be
>> >super fertile. There is also a several percent failure rate among
>> >women who swear they took them right.
>> >
>> >Abortion is a one and done.
>> >
>> Either you can't read, or you simply choose to ignore fucking facts.
>>
>> The 'morning after' pill is ONE fucking pill. The abortion pills are
>> TWO fucking pills.
>>
>> Wake the fuck up.
>
>
>
>What the 'ell!
>You going batshit crazy on us Johnny?

Something you didn't understand there?

On Sun, 29 May 2022 22:14:26 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

>On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:43:52 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 19 May 2022 22:29:10 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 19 May 2022 06:46:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 18 May 2022 19:46:27 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Is taking a pill a 'wise decision'? Is it more wise than having an
>>>>>>abortion?
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes it is a decision and one they have to consciously make. They need
>>>>>to go to the effort to get a prescription, come up with the $10 a
>>>>>month to pay, then remember to take the pills on time and in sync.
>>>>>If they screw up the pills, they can increase the chance of getting
>>>>>pregnant.
>>>>>That involves a conscious effort and more than a little wisdom.
>>>>>Throw a few drugs in the mix and this may be beyond their ability
>>>>>
>>>>You're suggesting that taking one morning after or two abortion pills
>>>>is a bigger decision than getting an abortion. Do you think abortions
>>>>are free? The pills may cost $100, now do some reading:
>>>>
>>>>Are Abortions Free At Planned Parenthood?
>>>>Abortion is often sold as the most financially beneficial option for
>>>>women experiencing unplanned pregnancies. Because of that, we’re often
>>>>asked if abortions are free. The answer is no — abortions are not free
>>>>at Planned Parenthood or other abortion clinics. Each procedure costs
>>>>hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars depending on what stage of
>>>>pregnancy the woman is in.
>>>>
>>>
>>>What part of irresponsible are you confused about?
>>>You are extending your privileged white boy thinking onto a society
>>>that isn't.
>>>BTW I am sure lots of abortions get dumped back on the public dime
>>>somehow and there should be more. It is the most efficient use of the
>>>money unless you are using mandatory implants.
>>>
>>>Sell that.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It's not 'pro-choice', it's 'pro-death'. After all, it's only a fetus
>>>>>>>>kicking, right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I would rather kill a kicking fetus than have to kill them when they
>>>>>>>are kicking in my door.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So all babies born to the poor will kick at your door?
>>>>>
>>>>>It is a statistical fact. Where is most of the crime and most of the
>>>>>murders?
>>>>>The "My door" part was metaphorical but it wasn't always. I lived in
>>>>>SE DC where these kind of crimes were more prevalent until I could
>>>>>afford to get out. I probably knew a lot more people in that
>>>>>socioeconomic situation than you did.
>>>>>These are not the most responsible bunch.
>>>>>
>>>>>All that said, if they would pop Norplants in those girls in middle
>>>>>school, I would like to chip in.
>>>>>Try to get the righteous right to agree with that.
>>>>>You may be more progressive than some of your counterparts but you get
>>>>>judged by the people you associate with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nonsensical comments, Greg.
>>>>>
>>>>>Actually not. I only deal with reality.
>>>>
>>>>I do agree that the poor should lhave fewer kids. However, the pills
>>>>work, are cheap, and require a hell of a lot less thought than a 12
>>>>week abortion.
>>>
>>>Birth control pills require a constant thought, every day, that you
>>>can't screw up and ignore. Miss a couple pills and the girl might be
>>>super fertile. There is also a several percent failure rate among
>>>women who swear they took them right.
>>>
>>>Abortion is a one and done.
>>>
>>Either you can't read, or you simply choose to ignore fucking facts.
>>
>>The 'morning after' pill is ONE fucking pill. The abortion pills are
>>TWO fucking pills.
>>
>>Wake the fuck up.
>
>They are still abortions in the eyes of right to life people but they
>also have to be taken before you know you are pregnant. Are you saying
>a woman should be taking one (or two) every time she has sex with all
>of the side effects?
>https://www.drugs.com/sfx/morning-after-side-effects.html

That was thrilling. A possiblity of Heavy or light menstrual bleeding,
and several minor 'Incidence not known'. Really scary that, eh Greg?
>
>How long will the average person do that?

Hopefully she'll do that only after unprotected sex, such as after
rape or incest. Neither of the two pills should be used as regular
birth control.
>
>Then there is the cost, these things aren't cheap. I know you are rich
>but a lot of girls can't cough up $35-70 on a moments notice and hours
>count.

More bullshit:
https://smile.amazon.com/Xiromed-Emergency-Contraceptive-Pill-Women/dp/B09MKYGFW9/ref=sr_1_1?crid=QKRQ4DLSVZ2X&keywords=Levonorgestrel+bulk&qid=1653993319&sprefix=levonorgestrel+bulk%2Caps%2C49&sr=8-1
And again, it's not meant to be used as regular birth control.

>The non-prescripton one is not always effective with "Big" girls
>(>26BMI)

"This conclusion was reached by the EMA referral in 2014 and they
concluded that emergency contraceptive pills (ECPs) could be taken
regardless of body weight or BMI, as soon as possible after UPSI. "
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30569769/

>The one that does work better is prescription only ... add another
>$100-200 to the cost, assuming you can get an appointment in less
>than 72 hours.

And how much are abortions, Gregg? Assuming you can get an
appointment. And, the abortion pill is effective up to 10 weeks, not
72 hours. Kinda shoots that last comment out of the water, eh?
>
>I just think rich old white men should not be telling women what to do
>with their uterus. When you grow one, you have a vote.

When does the baby get a vote, Gregg?

And, this comment of yours is bullsht, correct?

>>Birth control pills require a constant thought, every day, that you
>>can't screw up and ignore. Miss a couple pills and the girl might be
>>super fertile. There is also a several percent failure rate among
>>women who swear they took them right.

On Mon, 30 May 2022 10:24:15 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

>On Mon, 30 May 2022 06:27:09 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 19 May 2022 22:52:04 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 19 May 2022 05:47:40 -0700 (PDT), "345...@gmail.com"
>>><3452471@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 4:42:12 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:40:23 -0700 (PDT), "345...@gmail.com"
>>>>> <345...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:33:49 AM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>> >> On Tue, 17 May 2022 11:05:46 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >I know of no one who wants to shut down planned parenthood. I've never
>>>>> >> >said anything like that. So, where is the flip flopping?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> If you don't attack PP, you are a rare pro lifer. Some of your
>>>>> >> comrades burn them. (google it)
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Your comrades seem to have convinced you that this is a binary issue. It is not. Most folks who believe that abortion should not be legal after the fetus is viable don't consider themselves to be "pro-lifers", and would never dream of burning a PP. That's just hyperbole on your part. There are certainly extreme views on both sides of this issue. But while the liberal MSM would have you believe otherwise, those people are the exception, not the rule.
>>>>
>>>>> >>>Abortion, like guns are issues driven be extremists and they are
>>>>happily exploited by politicians to obfuscate the real issues that are
>>>>being ignored.
>>>>
>>>>Let me fix that for you:
>>>>Abortion, like guns are issues driven by politicians to obfuscate the real issues that they want to ignore.
>>>>
>>>>You wrote, "If you don't attack PP, you are a rare pro lifer." So you attempted to pigeon-hole anyone that doesn't believe in abortion up to delivery as a "pro-lifer", and if they don't "attack" PP they are a rare one. That's just false. And binary thinking.
>>>
>>>It is a binary issue with the people who have a problem with the idea
>>>of abortion..
>>>
>>>OK quick question.
>>>
>>>When is abortion OK?
>>>
>>>I will wait for all of you to answer
>>
>>If I were still a staunch Catholic, I would have to say, "Never."
>>However, I have reached a compromise. I can live with the morning
>>after pill (note: that's ONE f'ing pill), the abortion pills (TWO
>>f'ing pills) or a first trimester abortion in the case of rape or
>>incest. That last one is a real compromise.
>
>Not much compromise there.
>The pill you talk about is only effective if you take it before you
>think you might be pregnant.

More bullshit. I talked about two pills. One works out to 10 weeks.

>If you are Paris Hilton and $70 means
>nothing to you. go ahead and take one every time you have sex but that
>is unrealistic unless you decide the government will just have them in
>every ladies room for free. No doctor's visit or prescription would be
>needed.

Please tell me where abortions cost less than $70.

>
>Maybe the government should tax right to lifers for the extra burden
>unwanted children put on our society. (welfare payments, crime and the
>cost of prisons)

Why? There are plenty of alternatives to prevent the birth of those
'unwanted children'.

>It reminds me of the PETA people who want to ban hunting but they are
>not willing to replace the money hunters pay into wildlife management
>programs.

Your arguments show a wandering mind!

On Mon, 30 May 2022 10:09:51 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

>On Mon, 30 May 2022 06:28:19 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 20 May 2022 17:17:42 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 20 May 2022 07:33:42 -0700 (PDT), "345...@gmail.com"
>>><3452471@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 10:52:22 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 05:47:40 -0700 (PDT), "345...@gmail.com"
>>>>> <345...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 4:42:12 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>> >> On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:40:23 -0700 (PDT), "345...@gmail.com"
>>>>> >> <345...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> >On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:33:49 AM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>> >> >> On Tue, 17 May 2022 11:05:46 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >I know of no one who wants to shut down planned parenthood. I've never
>>>>> >> >> >said anything like that. So, where is the flip flopping?
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >> If you don't attack PP, you are a rare pro lifer. Some of your
>>>>> >> >> comrades burn them. (google it)
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >Your comrades seem to have convinced you that this is a binary issue. It is not. Most folks who believe that abortion should not be legal after the fetus is viable don't consider themselves to be "pro-lifers", and would never dream of burning a PP. That's just hyperbole on your part. There are certainly extreme views on both sides of this issue. But while the liberal MSM would have you believe otherwise, those people are the exception, not the rule.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> >>>Abortion, like guns are issues driven be extremists and they are
>>>>> >happily exploited by politicians to obfuscate the real issues that are
>>>>> >being ignored.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Let me fix that for you:
>>>>> >Abortion, like guns are issues driven by politicians to obfuscate the real issues that they want to ignore.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >You wrote, "If you don't attack PP, you are a rare pro lifer." So you attempted to pigeon-hole anyone that doesn't believe in abortion up to delivery as a "pro-lifer", and if they don't "attack" PP they are a rare one. That's just false. And binary thinking.
>>>>
>>>>> It is a binary issue with the people who have a problem with the idea
>>>>> of abortion.
>>>>
>>>>Wrong. It is not. It is binary thinking to believe that all people that struggle with the idea of abortion think the same.
>>>>
>>>>> OK quick question.
>>>>> When is abortion OK?
>>>>
>>>>Most people that you label "pro-life" believe it is OK for rape, incest, or medical reasons. Most of those also believe it is OK in the first tri. I do.
>>>>
>>>>If you believe the loud fringe that the liberal MSM demonizes as the typical anti-abortion crowd is the norm, they have succeeded in sucking you in. Or maybe you are just a typical pro-abortion person.
>>>>:)
>>>
>>>I just listen to what people say.
>>>I am ambivalent about the whole issue myself. It is none of my
>>>business until I get stuck supporting the spawn of irresponsible
>>>people.
>>>Humans are not an endangered species.
>>
>>Your ambivalence sucks, or that statement is bullshit. Take your pick.
>
>OK I am on the side that it is none of my business, nor yours, since
>you don't have ovaries.

I have kids. The deaths of the kids in Uvalde are really 'none of my
business'. They were all fetuses at one time.

On Tue, 31 May 2022 06:57:31 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 29 May 2022 22:14:26 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:43:52 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 19 May 2022 22:29:10 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 19 May 2022 06:46:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 18 May 2022 19:46:27 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Is taking a pill a 'wise decision'? Is it more wise than having an
>>>>>>>abortion?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes it is a decision and one they have to consciously make. They need
>>>>>>to go to the effort to get a prescription, come up with the $10 a
>>>>>>month to pay, then remember to take the pills on time and in sync.
>>>>>>If they screw up the pills, they can increase the chance of getting
>>>>>>pregnant.
>>>>>>That involves a conscious effort and more than a little wisdom.
>>>>>>Throw a few drugs in the mix and this may be beyond their ability
>>>>>>
>>>>>You're suggesting that taking one morning after or two abortion pills
>>>>>is a bigger decision than getting an abortion. Do you think abortions
>>>>>are free? The pills may cost $100, now do some reading:
>>>>>
>>>>>Are Abortions Free At Planned Parenthood?
>>>>>Abortion is often sold as the most financially beneficial option for
>>>>>women experiencing unplanned pregnancies. Because of that, we’re often
>>>>>asked if abortions are free. The answer is no — abortions are not free
>>>>>at Planned Parenthood or other abortion clinics. Each procedure costs
>>>>>hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars depending on what stage of
>>>>>pregnancy the woman is in.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>What part of irresponsible are you confused about?
>>>>You are extending your privileged white boy thinking onto a society
>>>>that isn't.
>>>>BTW I am sure lots of abortions get dumped back on the public dime
>>>>somehow and there should be more. It is the most efficient use of the
>>>>money unless you are using mandatory implants.
>>>>
>>>>Sell that.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It's not 'pro-choice', it's 'pro-death'. After all, it's only a fetus
>>>>>>>>>kicking, right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I would rather kill a kicking fetus than have to kill them when they
>>>>>>>>are kicking in my door.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So all babies born to the poor will kick at your door?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It is a statistical fact. Where is most of the crime and most of the
>>>>>>murders?
>>>>>>The "My door" part was metaphorical but it wasn't always. I lived in
>>>>>>SE DC where these kind of crimes were more prevalent until I could
>>>>>>afford to get out. I probably knew a lot more people in that
>>>>>>socioeconomic situation than you did.
>>>>>>These are not the most responsible bunch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>All that said, if they would pop Norplants in those girls in middle
>>>>>>school, I would like to chip in.
>>>>>>Try to get the righteous right to agree with that.
>>>>>>You may be more progressive than some of your counterparts but you get
>>>>>>judged by the people you associate with.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nonsensical comments, Greg.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Actually not. I only deal with reality.
>>>>>
>>>>>I do agree that the poor should lhave fewer kids. However, the pills
>>>>>work, are cheap, and require a hell of a lot less thought than a 12
>>>>>week abortion.
>>>>
>>>>Birth control pills require a constant thought, every day, that you
>>>>can't screw up and ignore. Miss a couple pills and the girl might be
>>>>super fertile. There is also a several percent failure rate among
>>>>women who swear they took them right.
>>>>
>>>>Abortion is a one and done.
>>>>
>>>Either you can't read, or you simply choose to ignore fucking facts.
>>>
>>>The 'morning after' pill is ONE fucking pill. The abortion pills are
>>>TWO fucking pills.
>>>
>>>Wake the fuck up.
>>
>>They are still abortions in the eyes of right to life people but they
>>also have to be taken before you know you are pregnant. Are you saying
>>a woman should be taking one (or two) every time she has sex with all
>>of the side effects?
>>https://www.drugs.com/sfx/morning-after-side-effects.html
>
>That was thrilling. A possiblity of Heavy or light menstrual bleeding,
>and several minor 'Incidence not known'. Really scary that, eh Greg?
>>
>>How long will the average person do that?
>
>Hopefully she'll do that only after unprotected sex, such as after
>rape or incest. Neither of the two pills should be used as regular
>birth control.

You must really have lived a sheltered life if you think girls having
sex is that rare.

>>
>>Then there is the cost, these things aren't cheap. I know you are rich
>>but a lot of girls can't cough up $35-70 on a moments notice and hours
>>count.
>
>More bullshit:
>https://smile.amazon.com/Xiromed-Emergency-Contraceptive-Pill-Women/dp/B09MKYGFW9/ref=sr_1_1?crid=QKRQ4DLSVZ2X&keywords=Levonorgestrel+bulk&qid=1653993319&sprefix=levonorgestrel+bulk%2Caps%2C49&sr=8-1
>And again, it's not meant to be used as regular birth control.

OK so now you assume these girls have prime and even then it is a race
with the planting of the sperm to see when the prime truck arrives.
Too late is simply too late.
BTW all regular birth control methods have failures and it is far too
late for these pills when they know it failed.
>
>>The non-prescripton one is not always effective with "Big" girls
>>(>26BMI)
>
>"This conclusion was reached by the EMA referral in 2014 and they
>concluded that emergency contraceptive pills (ECPs) could be taken
>regardless of body weight or BMI, as soon as possible after UPSI. "
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30569769/

There is more than one. The non-presctription one has a bad failure
rate with big girls.

>
>>The one that does work better is prescription only ... add another
>>$100-200 to the cost, assuming you can get an appointment in less
>>than 72 hours.
>
>And how much are abortions, Gregg? Assuming you can get an
>appointment. And, the abortion pill is effective up to 10 weeks, not
>72 hours. Kinda shoots that last comment out of the water, eh?

The abortion pill, is still an abortion of a viable fetus. I am
surprised you support that.

>>
>>I just think rich old white men should not be telling women what to do
>>with their uterus. When you grow one, you have a vote.
>
>When does the baby get a vote, Gregg?
>
>And, this comment of yours is bullsht, correct?

The baby gets the "vote" at 18, just like everyone else.
It's in the constitution

>
>>>Birth control pills require a constant thought, every day, that you
>>>can't screw up and ignore. Miss a couple pills and the girl might be
>>>super fertile. There is also a several percent failure rate among
>>>women who swear they took them right.

On Tue, 31 May 2022 07:02:30 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 30 May 2022 10:24:15 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 30 May 2022 06:27:09 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 19 May 2022 22:52:04 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 19 May 2022 05:47:40 -0700 (PDT), "345...@gmail.com"
>>>><3452471@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 4:42:12 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:40:23 -0700 (PDT), "345...@gmail.com"
>>>>>> <345...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:33:49 AM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>> >> On Tue, 17 May 2022 11:05:46 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >I know of no one who wants to shut down planned parenthood. I've never
>>>>>> >> >said anything like that. So, where is the flip flopping?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> If you don't attack PP, you are a rare pro lifer. Some of your
>>>>>> >> comrades burn them. (google it)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Your comrades seem to have convinced you that this is a binary issue. It is not. Most folks who believe that abortion should not be legal after the fetus is viable don't consider themselves to be "pro-lifers", and would never dream of burning a PP. That's just hyperbole on your part. There are certainly extreme views on both sides of this issue. But while the liberal MSM would have you believe otherwise, those people are the exception, not the rule.
>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>Abortion, like guns are issues driven be extremists and they are
>>>>>happily exploited by politicians to obfuscate the real issues that are
>>>>>being ignored.
>>>>>
>>>>>Let me fix that for you:
>>>>>Abortion, like guns are issues driven by politicians to obfuscate the real issues that they want to ignore.
>>>>>
>>>>>You wrote, "If you don't attack PP, you are a rare pro lifer." So you attempted to pigeon-hole anyone that doesn't believe in abortion up to delivery as a "pro-lifer", and if they don't "attack" PP they are a rare one. That's just false. And binary thinking.
>>>>
>>>>It is a binary issue with the people who have a problem with the idea
>>>>of abortion..
>>>>
>>>>OK quick question.
>>>>
>>>>When is abortion OK?
>>>>
>>>>I will wait for all of you to answer
>>>
>>>If I were still a staunch Catholic, I would have to say, "Never."
>>>However, I have reached a compromise. I can live with the morning
>>>after pill (note: that's ONE f'ing pill), the abortion pills (TWO
>>>f'ing pills) or a first trimester abortion in the case of rape or
>>>incest. That last one is a real compromise.
>>
>>Not much compromise there.
>>The pill you talk about is only effective if you take it before you
>>think you might be pregnant.
>
>More bullshit. I talked about two pills. One works out to 10 weeks.

After a day it is still an abortion. It is just done chemically
instead of the coat hanger you advocate when they are illegal..
>
>>If you are Paris Hilton and $70 means
>>nothing to you. go ahead and take one every time you have sex but that
>>is unrealistic unless you decide the government will just have them in
>>every ladies room for free. No doctor's visit or prescription would be
>>needed.
>
>Please tell me where abortions cost less than $70.

When they get subsidized and it is the best use of the money. Far
better that supporting a teenaged mom who dropped out of school and a
kid who will probably end up in jail.

>
>>
>>Maybe the government should tax right to lifers for the extra burden
>>unwanted children put on our society. (welfare payments, crime and the
>>cost of prisons)
>
>Why? There are plenty of alternatives to prevent the birth of those
>'unwanted children'.
>
>>It reminds me of the PETA people who want to ban hunting but they are
>>not willing to replace the money hunters pay into wildlife management
>>programs.
>
>Your arguments show a wandering mind!

On Tue, 31 May 2022 07:06:51 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 30 May 2022 10:09:51 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 30 May 2022 06:28:19 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 20 May 2022 17:17:42 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 20 May 2022 07:33:42 -0700 (PDT), "345...@gmail.com"
>>>><3452471@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 10:52:22 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 05:47:40 -0700 (PDT), "345...@gmail.com"
>>>>>> <345...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 4:42:12 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>> >> On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:40:23 -0700 (PDT), "345...@gmail.com"
>>>>>> >> <345...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> >On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:33:49 AM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>> >> >> On Tue, 17 May 2022 11:05:46 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>> >> >> >I know of no one who wants to shut down planned parenthood. I've never
>>>>>> >> >> >said anything like that. So, where is the flip flopping?
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >> If you don't attack PP, you are a rare pro lifer. Some of your
>>>>>> >> >> comrades burn them. (google it)
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >Your comrades seem to have convinced you that this is a binary issue. It is not. Most folks who believe that abortion should not be legal after the fetus is viable don't consider themselves to be "pro-lifers", and would never dream of burning a PP. That's just hyperbole on your part. There are certainly extreme views on both sides of this issue. But while the liberal MSM would have you believe otherwise, those people are the exception, not the rule.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> >>>Abortion, like guns are issues driven be extremists and they are
>>>>>> >happily exploited by politicians to obfuscate the real issues that are
>>>>>> >being ignored.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Let me fix that for you:
>>>>>> >Abortion, like guns are issues driven by politicians to obfuscate the real issues that they want to ignore.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >You wrote, "If you don't attack PP, you are a rare pro lifer." So you attempted to pigeon-hole anyone that doesn't believe in abortion up to delivery as a "pro-lifer", and if they don't "attack" PP they are a rare one. That's just false. And binary thinking.
>>>>>
>>>>>> It is a binary issue with the people who have a problem with the idea
>>>>>> of abortion.
>>>>>
>>>>>Wrong. It is not. It is binary thinking to believe that all people that struggle with the idea of abortion think the same.
>>>>>
>>>>>> OK quick question.
>>>>>> When is abortion OK?
>>>>>
>>>>>Most people that you label "pro-life" believe it is OK for rape, incest, or medical reasons. Most of those also believe it is OK in the first tri. I do.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you believe the loud fringe that the liberal MSM demonizes as the typical anti-abortion crowd is the norm, they have succeeded in sucking you in. Or maybe you are just a typical pro-abortion person.
>>>>>:)
>>>>
>>>>I just listen to what people say.
>>>>I am ambivalent about the whole issue myself. It is none of my
>>>>business until I get stuck supporting the spawn of irresponsible
>>>>people.
>>>>Humans are not an endangered species.
>>>
>>>Your ambivalence sucks, or that statement is bullshit. Take your pick.
>>
>>OK I am on the side that it is none of my business, nor yours, since
>>you don't have ovaries.
>
>I have kids. The deaths of the kids in Uvalde are really 'none of my
>business'. They were all fetuses at one time.

So was Hitler, Jeff Dahmer and the guy who shot all those kids in
Texas. What's your point?