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`* Re: ChatBot and the Turing TestEd Cryer
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 by: henh...@gmail.com - Thu, 29 Jun 2023 19:52 UTC

On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 11:23:06 AM UTC-7, Ed Cryer wrote:

> This bot has perfected the human interface. Nobody could deny that it
> passes the Turing Test with full honours.

but when you keep asking questions (to elaborate, etc.)
their limits show pretty quickly...

A few days ago, i was asking a Bot
who quoted this [....] by Schopenhauer ?
who else?
who else?

then the Bot gave me (with a straight face)
... [Plato also quoted it as....]

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Subject: Re: ChatBot and the Turing Test
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 by: Ed Cryer - Thu, 29 Jun 2023 20:08 UTC

henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 11:23:06 AM UTC-7, Ed Cryer wrote:
>
>> This bot has perfected the human interface. Nobody could deny that it
>> passes the Turing Test with full honours.
>
>
> but when you keep asking questions (to elaborate, etc.)
> their limits show pretty quickly...
>
>
> A few days ago, i was asking a Bot
> who quoted this [....] by Schopenhauer ?
> who else?
> who else?
>
> then the Bot gave me (with a straight face)
> ... [Plato also quoted it as....]
>
I feel rather reluctant to go to war there. So many over the centuries
have quoted Plato. He comes to us through St Augustine, a million
Scholiasts, and not least through modern philosophers such as Schopenhauer.
But my own experience with the ChatGPT bot leads me to promote the
essence of your post. It's an enemy of truth. It speaks from today's
social media, with all their bullshit and false news.
Ed

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 by: henh...@gmail.com - Thu, 29 Jun 2023 20:22 UTC

On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 1:10:03 PM UTC-7, Ed Cryer wrote:
> henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 11:23:06 AM UTC-7, Ed Cryer wrote:
> >
> >> This bot has perfected the human interface. Nobody could deny that it
> >> passes the Turing Test with full honours.
> >
> >
> > but when you keep asking questions (to elaborate, etc.)
> > their limits show pretty quickly...
> >
> >
> > A few days ago, i was asking a Bot
> > who quoted this [....] by Schopenhauer ?
> > who else?
> > who else?
> >
> > then the Bot gave me (with a straight face)
> > ... [Plato also quoted it as....]
> >
> I feel rather reluctant to go to war there. So many over the centuries
> have quoted Plato. He comes to us through St Augustine, a million
> Scholiasts, and not least through modern philosophers such as Schopenhauer.
>
> But my own experience with the ChatGPT bot leads me to promote the
> essence of your post. It's an enemy of truth. It speaks from today's
> social media, with all their bullshit and false news.
>
> Ed

my point is that ....
the Bot didn't seem to realize that Plato can't quote (from) Schopenhauer !

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From: ed...@somewhere.in.the.uk (Ed Cryer)
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 by: Ed Cryer - Fri, 30 Jun 2023 08:40 UTC

henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 1:10:03 PM UTC-7, Ed Cryer wrote:
>> henh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 11:23:06 AM UTC-7, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>
>>>> This bot has perfected the human interface. Nobody could deny that it
>>>> passes the Turing Test with full honours.
>>>
>>>
>>> but when you keep asking questions (to elaborate, etc.)
>>> their limits show pretty quickly...
>>>
>>>
>>> A few days ago, i was asking a Bot
>>> who quoted this [....] by Schopenhauer ?
>>> who else?
>>> who else?
>>>
>>> then the Bot gave me (with a straight face)
>>> ... [Plato also quoted it as....]
>>>
>> I feel rather reluctant to go to war there. So many over the centuries
>> have quoted Plato. He comes to us through St Augustine, a million
>> Scholiasts, and not least through modern philosophers such as Schopenhauer.
>>
>> But my own experience with the ChatGPT bot leads me to promote the
>> essence of your post. It's an enemy of truth. It speaks from today's
>> social media, with all their bullshit and false news.
>>
>> Ed
>
>
> my point is that ....
> the Bot didn't seem to realize that Plato can't quote (from) Schopenhauer !


Published June 29, 2023
A class-action complaint filed Wednesday in the northern district of
California alleges tech leaders OpenAI and Microsoft Corp. used "stolen
and misappropriated" information from hundreds of millions of internet
users without their knowledge to train and develop its artificial
intelligence tech like chatbot ChatGPT.
The 16 plaintiffs, who are represented by the Clarkson Law Firm and
listed with initials, claimed the defendants "continue to unlawfully
collect and feed additional personal data from millions" worldwide to
that end and that they systematically scraped 300 billion words from
the internet without consent.
The 157-page lawsuit written by Ryan Clarkson, the managing partner of
the firm, also asserts that without the "unprecedented theft of private
and copyrighted information belonging to real people," the products
developed by the companies "would not be the multi-billion-dollar
business they are today."
"Once trained on stolen data, defendants saw the immediate profit
potential and rushed the products to market without implementing proper
safeguards or controls to ensure that they would not produce or support
harmful or malicious content and conduct that could further violate the
law, infringe rights and endanger lives," Clarkson continued. "Without
these safeguards, the products have already demonstrated their ability
to harm humans, in real ways."
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/openai-microsoft-face-class-action-suit-internet-data-use-ai-models

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 by: Btraven - Mon, 3 Jul 2023 17:29 UTC

On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 3:42:28 AM UTC-5, Ed Cryer wrote:
> henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 1:10:03 PM UTC-7, Ed Cryer wrote:
> >> henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 11:23:06 AM UTC-7, Ed Cryer wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> This bot has perfected the human interface. Nobody could deny that it
> >>>> passes the Turing Test with full honours.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> but when you keep asking questions (to elaborate, etc.)
> >>> their limits show pretty quickly...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> A few days ago, i was asking a Bot
> >>> who quoted this [....] by Schopenhauer ?
> >>> who else?
> >>> who else?
> >>>
> >>> then the Bot gave me (with a straight face)
> >>> ... [Plato also quoted it as....]
> >>>
> >> I feel rather reluctant to go to war there. So many over the centuries
> >> have quoted Plato. He comes to us through St Augustine, a million
> >> Scholiasts, and not least through modern philosophers such as Schopenhauer.
> >>
> >> But my own experience with the ChatGPT bot leads me to promote the
> >> essence of your post. It's an enemy of truth. It speaks from today's
> >> social media, with all their bullshit and false news.
> >>
> >> Ed
> >
> >
> > my point is that ....
> > the Bot didn't seem to realize that Plato can't quote (from) Schopenhauer !
> Published June 29, 2023
>
> A class-action complaint filed Wednesday in the northern district of
> California alleges tech leaders OpenAI and Microsoft Corp. used "stolen
> and misappropriated" information from hundreds of millions of internet
> users without their knowledge to train and develop its artificial
> intelligence tech like chatbot ChatGPT.
>
> The 16 plaintiffs, who are represented by the Clarkson Law Firm and
> listed with initials, claimed the defendants "continue to unlawfully
> collect and feed additional personal data from millions" worldwide to
> that end and that they systematically scraped 300 billion words from
> the internet without consent.
>
> The 157-page lawsuit written by Ryan Clarkson, the managing partner of
> the firm, also asserts that without the "unprecedented theft of private
> and copyrighted information belonging to real people," the products
> developed by the companies "would not be the multi-billion-dollar
> business they are today."
>
> "Once trained on stolen data, defendants saw the immediate profit
> potential and rushed the products to market without implementing proper
> safeguards or controls to ensure that they would not produce or support
> harmful or malicious content and conduct that could further violate the
> law, infringe rights and endanger lives," Clarkson continued. "Without
> these safeguards, the products have already demonstrated their ability
> to harm humans, in real ways."
>
> https://www.foxnews.com/tech/openai-microsoft-face-class-action-suit-internet-data-use-ai-models

A modern Solomon would reason by analogy that what comes from the commons should return to the commons and require that the Chatgpt source code be published under the gpl stipulations. That would also go far to disabuse the believers in AI of their wishful thinking. Lisp and Prolog are AI languages but Python isn't. No matter.

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