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* Mentifex on the etymology of Latin second-declension vocative forms.A.T. Murray
`* Re: Mentifex on the etymology of Latin second-declension vocativeEd Cryer
 `- Re: Mentifex on the etymology of Latin second-declension vocative forms.A.T. Murray

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Mentifex on the etymology of Latin second-declension vocative forms.

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Subject: Mentifex on the etymology of Latin second-declension vocative forms.
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 by: A.T. Murray - Tue, 4 Jul 2023 04:05 UTC

Almost but not quite the most famous example is
"Maecenas atavis edite regibus!"

When the Latin language was still evolving,
proto-Roman boys would probably call out to each other with shortened names:
"Hey, Brut! Hey Brut! Hey Brut!" Because of these repetitons, an interjection
like "Hey!" could jump from in front of "Brutus" to a postpositive position:

"Et tu, Brute?" -- arguably the most famous example.

Mentifex

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 by: Ed Cryer - Tue, 4 Jul 2023 11:06 UTC

A.T. Murray wrote:
> Almost but not quite the most famous example is
> "Maecenas atavis edite regibus!"
>
> When the Latin language was still evolving,
> proto-Roman boys would probably call out to each other with shortened names:
> "Hey, Brut! Hey Brut! Hey Brut!" Because of these repetitons, an interjection
> like "Hey!" could jump from in front of "Brutus" to a postpositive position:
>
> "Et tu, Brute?" -- arguably the most famous example.
>
> Mentifex
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.language.latin/c/JNmoyPYNNbs/m/sPnQfHf9BQAJ
Cute again, but rather improbable.
Compare Greek vocatives; δοῦλος (doulos), vocative δοῦλε; or Δῐόνῡσος,
vocative Δῐόνῡσε
Ed
δοῦλ

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Subject: Re: Mentifex on the etymology of Latin second-declension vocative forms.
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 by: A.T. Murray - Tue, 4 Jul 2023 11:31 UTC

On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 4:08:06 AM UTC-7, Ed Cryer wrote:
> A.T. Murray wrote:
> > Almost but not quite the most famous example is
> > "Maecenas atavis edite regibus!"
> >
> > When the Latin language was still evolving,
> > proto-Roman boys would probably call out to each other with shortened names:
> > "Hey, Brut! Hey Brut! Hey Brut!" Because of these repetitons, an interjection
> > like "Hey!" could jump from in front of "Brutus" to a postpositive position:
> >
> > "Et tu, Brute?" -- arguably the most famous example.
> >
> > Mentifex
> >
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.language.latin/c/JNmoyPYNNbs/m/sPnQfHf9BQAJ
> Cute again, but rather improbable.
> Compare Greek vocatives; δοῦλος (doulos), vocative δοῦλε; or Δῐόνῡσος,
> vocative Δῐόνῡσε
>
> Ed
>
> δοῦλ

The same rationale might apply to both Latin and Greek.

Mentifex (Arthur)

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