On Sunday, February 13, 2000 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-8, Shroud wrote:
> In my family genealogy, the name Poor is probably the predominant one.
> There is a tradition that we are related to Richard Poore, the Bishop of
> Salisbury who built the Salisbury Cathedral under King Henry III. I have no
> idea if there is truth in this, although my gateway ancestor, John Poore,
> was originally from Salisbury.
> My question is, how are the various Poor's in medieval England related?
> For example, I know that there is a book called Roger Of Salisbury. He was
> the chief justiciar under King Henry I, and then King Stephen, who tried to
> have him executed. Not owning this book, someone sent me information from
> it, telling that two of his sons became bishops, and the third, who did not
> get a bishopric at first, became known as "the Poor", or le Poer. This may
> have not been how the name started, because when Strongbow lead his forces
> into Ireland, there a few "De Pohers" who went with him. They established
> themselves in Waterford, eventually becoming the "Powers." The baronies of
> Kells and De La Poer where held by them, and I believe a barony is still in
> a Power's posession.
> At the same time of Roger of Salisbury, there was a Roger le Poer. He
> was the chancellor under King Henry and Stephen. They were both mentioned
> in the book "The Conquering Family," by Thomas B. Costain, as separate
> individuals. Since Roger of Salisbury was older, could le Poer have been
> one of his sons? They are listed separately in the index. Then of course,
> there was Richard Poore, the Bishop of Salisbury.
> Quoted from The Conquering Family, about Henry I's neglect of duties in
> later life, "His chief minister, Roger of Salisbury, began to take it upon
> himself to govern and issue writs 'on the King's part and my own.' "
> Quote, about Henry I's aging mind, "His daughter remembered how this had
> hurt her and her devout mother and what talkthere had been when the King had
> made a certain Roger le Poer his own royal chaplain because that clever
> rogue knew enough to keep his exhortations short. Could that aging and
> corpulent ecclesiastic who was now jumbling the Latin phrases and wheezing
> in his haste was the selfsame Roger? She was horrified to learn that it was
> and that he now filled as well the high post of chancellor."
> Quoted, about Henry II, "The first thing the young King did was to summon
> back the ministers of his grandfather, Henry I, who had been so recklessly
> discarded by the simple Stephen. Roger of Salisbury was dead, but his
> nephew Nigel, now Bishop of Ely, was appointed to the post of Treasurer,
> which he had formerly filled."
> I hope someone may be able to help me. Thanks!
> Travis
I am originally a Poore and have searched back to the father of Bishops Roger and Herbert, plus their brother Philip le Poer. Their father is said to be Richard of Ilchester and owned a mill at Illchester. The sons took their mothers name of le Poer. Her father was William le Poer and may of been the Coroner of Scilly. This resulted in 2 haplo groups for the le Poer name.. Philip ended up at Patricks Ford, St. Lawrence, Pembrokeshire, Wales. His son was Henry le Poer and that’s all I got until the Ireland invasion. Richard of Ilchester was born at Sock-Dennis and there is a book that talks about his inheretance, which brings out what his surname may of been.
Denis Poore,
DeAldrich@outlook.com