Looking at the Dabridgecourt family caused me to stumble, for probably the third or fourth time, across the 1684 PCC will of Mary Dabridgecourt, which mentions an agnate kinsman, John Dabridgecourt, then living in Maryland and not yet 16 years of age.

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Topographer_and_Genealogist/VKZWAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22elizabeth+dabridgecourt%22&pg=PA206&printsec=frontcover

In the past, I could never find anything about John Dabridgecourt in Maryland, and the age seemed off for someone "beyond seas."

Now, however, I notice there is a John Dabridgecourt of Maryland, supposedly died in Maryland in 1680, leaving a wife and two young children, John and Elizabeth, of whom Elizabeth married a Martin Yates and had some children.

https://www.colonial-settlers-md-va.us/getperson.php?personID=I2577&tree=Tree1

The younger John Dabridgecourt is claimed as having been born ca. 1679, so he would certainly be under age 16 in 1684. Perhaps there was a mix-up as to precisely which John Dabridgecourt was "under 16" in 1684?

This source may also be of interest ...

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Catholic_Record_Society_Publications/QguMnky03sEC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22elizabeth+dabridgecourt%22&pg=PA289&printsec=frontcover

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:13:59 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> Looking at the Dabridgecourt family caused me to stumble, for probably the third or fourth time, across the 1684 PCC will of Mary Dabridgecourt, which mentions an agnate kinsman, John Dabridgecourt, then living in Maryland and not yet 16 years of age.
>
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Topographer_and_Genealogist/VKZWAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22elizabeth+dabridgecourt%22&pg=PA206&printsec=frontcover
>
> In the past, I could never find anything about John Dabridgecourt in Maryland, and the age seemed off for someone "beyond seas."
>
> Now, however, I notice there is a John Dabridgecourt of Maryland, supposedly died in Maryland in 1680, leaving a wife and two young children, John and Elizabeth, of whom Elizabeth married a Martin Yates and had some children.
>
> https://www.colonial-settlers-md-va.us/getperson.php?personID=I2577&tree=Tree1
>
> The younger John Dabridgecourt is claimed as having been born ca. 1679, so he would certainly be under age 16 in 1684. Perhaps there was a mix-up as to precisely which John Dabridgecourt was "under 16" in 1684?
>
> This source may also be of interest ...
>
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/Catholic_Record_Society_Publications/QguMnky03sEC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22elizabeth+dabridgecourt%22&pg=PA289&printsec=frontcover

"There is a PCC will [4] of Mary Dabridgcourt, of Putney, Surrey, who died unmarried. The will, made 11 September 1683 and probate 6 May 1684, contains this bequest:

'As for the thirty pounds I give to John Dabridgcourt now living in Maryland I do desire my loving friends Alderman Bathurst and Sir Simon Lewes to keep it in their hands, till he be of the age of sixteen years and every year securing a certificate that he is living to dispose of the interest for necessaries for his use. But in case he die to go to my Executor hereafter named (Zanchet). And if my Executor die unmarried before the child (John) to go to his (Zanchet's) sisters Barbara Wells and Brigid Persall.'

This can't be the John Dabridgecourt of this profile, who was well over the age of 16, but it might be his son, who would have been a child, 3 or 4 years old, when this will was made."

from https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/D'Abridgecourt-1

So it does seem "the child John" doesn't have to be a brother of Barbara and Brigid; he could be their nephew ... or could be their cousin.
But likely there is some close relationship.

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 10:27:24 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:13:59 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > Looking at the Dabridgecourt family caused me to stumble, for probably the third or fourth time, across the 1684 PCC will of Mary Dabridgecourt, which mentions an agnate kinsman, John Dabridgecourt, then living in Maryland and not yet 16 years of age.
> >
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Topographer_and_Genealogist/VKZWAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22elizabeth+dabridgecourt%22&pg=PA206&printsec=frontcover
> >
> > In the past, I could never find anything about John Dabridgecourt in Maryland, and the age seemed off for someone "beyond seas."
> >
> > Now, however, I notice there is a John Dabridgecourt of Maryland, supposedly died in Maryland in 1680, leaving a wife and two young children, John and Elizabeth, of whom Elizabeth married a Martin Yates and had some children.
> >
> > https://www.colonial-settlers-md-va.us/getperson.php?personID=I2577&tree=Tree1
> >
> > The younger John Dabridgecourt is claimed as having been born ca. 1679, so he would certainly be under age 16 in 1684. Perhaps there was a mix-up as to precisely which John Dabridgecourt was "under 16" in 1684?
> >
> > This source may also be of interest ...
> >
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Catholic_Record_Society_Publications/QguMnky03sEC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22elizabeth+dabridgecourt%22&pg=PA289&printsec=frontcover
> "There is a PCC will [4] of Mary Dabridgcourt, of Putney, Surrey, who died unmarried. The will, made 11 September 1683 and probate 6 May 1684, contains this bequest:
>
> 'As for the thirty pounds I give to John Dabridgcourt now living in Maryland I do desire my loving friends Alderman Bathurst and Sir Simon Lewes to keep it in their hands, till he be of the age of sixteen years and every year securing a certificate that he is living to dispose of the interest for necessaries for his use. But in case he die to go to my Executor hereafter named (Zanchet). And if my Executor die unmarried before the child (John) to go to his (Zanchet's) sisters Barbara Wells and Brigid Persall.'
>
> This can't be the John Dabridgecourt of this profile, who was well over the age of 16, but it might be his son, who would have been a child, 3 or 4 years old, when this will was made."
>
> from https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/D'Abridgecourt-1
>
> So it does seem "the child John" doesn't have to be a brother of Barbara and Brigid; he could be their nephew ... or could be their cousin.
> But likely there is some close relationship.

The statement about the Executor dying "before the child" doesn't make total sense. "The child" should really receive the bequest of 30 pounds regardless of the living/dead status of the will's executor.

I think this means that the money would go to Barbara and Brigid to administer on behalf of John in Maryland until John is 16.

> The statement about the Executor dying "before the child" doesn't make total sense. "The child" should really receive the bequest of 30 pounds regardless of the living/dead status of the will's executor.

I think this means that if John dies then the money goes to Zanchet. If Zanchet is already dead (if John dies) then the money goes to Barbara and Brigid. Otherwise, if John lives to 16, he gets the money.

> > 'As for the thirty pounds I give to John Dabridgcourt now living in Maryland I do desire my loving friends Alderman Bathurst and Sir Simon Lewes to keep it in their hands, till he be of the age of sixteen years and every year securing a certificate that he is living to dispose of the interest for necessaries for his use. But in case he die to go to my Executor hereafter named (Zanchet). And if my Executor die unmarried before the child (John) to go to his (Zanchet's) sisters Barbara Wells and Brigid Persall.'

> The statement about the Executor dying "before the child" doesn't make total sense. "The child" should really receive the bequest of 30 pounds regardless of the living/dead status of the will's executor.

On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 3:34:39 AM UTC-5, vance...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I think this means that if John dies then the money goes to Zanchet. If Zanchet is already dead (if John dies) then the money goes to Barbara and Brigid. Otherwise, if John lives to 16, he gets the money.

Okay, that makes better sense.

On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 7:48:28 AM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 3:34:39 AM UTC-5, vance...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > I think this means that if John dies then the money goes to Zanchet. If Zanchet is already dead (if John dies) then the money goes to Barbara and Brigid. Otherwise, if John lives to 16, he gets the money.
> Okay, that makes better sense.

John "the child" Dabridgcourt was presumably dead by 1711, when the Maryland court mentioned the "accounts of Martin Yates administrator of John Dabridgcoat."

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Abstracts_of_the_Testamentary_Proceeding/TredR4J3CgsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22martin+yates%22+maryland&pg=PA119&printsec=frontcover

There's a chart of Dabridgcourt going back to the time of Edward III. Mary and Zanchet are in the lower righthand corner. I'm not sure how John in Maryland fits it.

https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/9/90/Forster-1270.pdf

On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 10:37:23 AM UTC-5, vance...@yahoo.com wrote:
> There's a chart of Dabridgcourt going back to the time of Edward III. Mary and Zanchet are in the lower righthand corner. I'm not sure how John in Maryland fits it.
>
> https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/9/90/Forster-1270.pdf

Interesting. Although it can't quite be the same Zanchet who was Mary's Executor, if that executor was her nephew.

The Benedictine nun Dame Elizabeth Dabridgecourt of Pontoise was memorialized as "Daughter to Thomas Dabridgecourt. Knight Baronett, her mother was mrs Anne Sanders daughter to mr Sanchott Sanders of Sutton Court esquire ..." She made her vows 13 January 1661 aged 16; died at Pontoise 17 Aug. 1715, in her 71st year. Her flowery obituary ends, "we humbly beg yt by ye assistance of your [God's? / Mary's ?] Suffrages, she may be speedily admitt'd amongst the virgin spouses, ever Inseperable Followers of the Lamb. Requiescat in Pace."

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Catholic_Record_Society_Publications/QguMnky03sEC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22elizabeth+dabridgecourt%22&pg=PA289&printsec=frontcover

Mary Dabridgecourt's will of course mentions a niece Elizabeth Dabridgecourt, and "requests the minister of Putney to preach a sermon from the text, 'The virgins follow the Lamb;' and desires this 'posy' to be put on mourning rigns for her nieces."

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Topographer_and_Genealogist/VKZWAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22elizabeth+dabridgecourt%22&pg=PA206&printsec=frontcover

Could the memorial of Dame Elizabeth Dabridgecourt have concluded with a near quote from her own mourning ring? Or is that a Catholic commonplace saying of the period?

I propose that Zanchet/ Sanchott was misplaced a generation too high in the Dabridgecourt chart, and was really a son of Sir Thomas Dabridgecourt, Mary's brother, and had been named Sanchott/ Zanchet after his maternal grandfather.

This is a strong possibility. As for his name, they might have had antiquarian interests, since their ancestor Zanchet Dabridgcourt had been a Knight of the Garter in the 14th century.

> I propose that Zanchet/ Sanchott was misplaced a generation too high in the Dabridgecourt chart, and was really a son of Sir Thomas Dabridgecourt, Mary's brother, and had been named Sanchott/ Zanchet after his maternal grandfather.

On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 12:00:00 PM UTC-5, vance...@yahoo.com wrote:
> This is a strong possibility. As for his name, they might have had antiquarian interests, since their ancestor Zanchet Dabridgcourt had been a Knight of the Garter in the 14th century.
> > I propose that Zanchet/ Sanchott was misplaced a generation too high in the Dabridgecourt chart, and was really a son of Sir Thomas Dabridgecourt, Mary's brother, and had been named Sanchott/ Zanchet after his maternal grandfather.

That is true --they had that remote ancestor or ancestral uncle named Zanchet.

The pedigree you shared seems largely drawn from Benolt's Vis. of Hampshire, where no Mary is shown, however. And (? Sir) Thomas clearly had a half-brother Sanchett.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Pedigrees_from_the_Visitation_of_Hampshi/9L7UAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=dabridgcourt

On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 11:32:39 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 10:37:23 AM UTC-5, vance...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > There's a chart of Dabridgcourt going back to the time of Edward III. Mary and Zanchet are in the lower righthand corner. I'm not sure how John in Maryland fits it.
> >
> > https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/9/90/Forster-1270.pdf
> Interesting. Although it can't quite be the same Zanchet who was Mary's Executor, if that executor was her nephew.
>
> The Benedictine nun Dame Elizabeth Dabridgecourt of Pontoise was memorialized as "Daughter to Thomas Dabridgecourt. Knight Baronett, her mother was mrs Anne Sanders daughter to mr Sanchott Sanders of Sutton Court esquire ...." She made her vows 13 January 1661 aged 16; died at Pontoise 17 Aug. 1715, in her 71st year. Her flowery obituary ends, "we humbly beg yt by ye assistance of your [God's? / Mary's ?] Suffrages, she may be speedily admitt'd amongst the virgin spouses, ever Inseperable Followers of the Lamb. Requiescat in Pace."
>
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/Catholic_Record_Society_Publications/QguMnky03sEC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22elizabeth+dabridgecourt%22&pg=PA289&printsec=frontcover
>
> Mary Dabridgecourt's will of course mentions a niece Elizabeth Dabridgecourt, and "requests the minister of Putney to preach a sermon from the text, 'The virgins follow the Lamb;' and desires this 'posy' to be put on mourning rigns for her nieces."
>
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Topographer_and_Genealogist/VKZWAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22elizabeth+dabridgecourt%22&pg=PA206&printsec=frontcover
>
> Could the memorial of Dame Elizabeth Dabridgecourt have concluded with a near quote from her own mourning ring? Or is that a Catholic commonplace saying of the period?
>
> I propose that Zanchet/ Sanchott was misplaced a generation too high in the Dabridgecourt chart, and was really a son of Sir Thomas Dabridgecourt, Mary's brother, and had been named Sanchott/ Zanchet after his maternal grandfather.

Dame Dabridgecourt was actually Abbess of Pontoise, elected in December 1689.

On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 10:01:27 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 11:32:39 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 10:37:23 AM UTC-5, vance...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > There's a chart of Dabridgcourt going back to the time of Edward III. Mary and Zanchet are in the lower righthand corner. I'm not sure how John in Maryland fits it.
> > >
> > > https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/9/90/Forster-1270.pdf
> > Interesting. Although it can't quite be the same Zanchet who was Mary's Executor, if that executor was her nephew.
> >
> > The Benedictine nun Dame Elizabeth Dabridgecourt of Pontoise was memorialized as "Daughter to Thomas Dabridgecourt. Knight Baronett, her mother was mrs Anne Sanders daughter to mr Sanchott Sanders of Sutton Court esquire ...." She made her vows 13 January 1661 aged 16; died at Pontoise 17 Aug. 1715, in her 71st year. Her flowery obituary ends, "we humbly beg yt by ye assistance of your [God's? / Mary's ?] Suffrages, she may be speedily admitt'd amongst the virgin spouses, ever Inseperable Followers of the Lamb. Requiescat in Pace."
> >
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Catholic_Record_Society_Publications/QguMnky03sEC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22elizabeth+dabridgecourt%22&pg=PA289&printsec=frontcover
> >
> > Mary Dabridgecourt's will of course mentions a niece Elizabeth Dabridgecourt, and "requests the minister of Putney to preach a sermon from the text, 'The virgins follow the Lamb;' and desires this 'posy' to be put on mourning rigns for her nieces."
> >
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Topographer_and_Genealogist/VKZWAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22elizabeth+dabridgecourt%22&pg=PA206&printsec=frontcover
> >
> > Could the memorial of Dame Elizabeth Dabridgecourt have concluded with a near quote from her own mourning ring? Or is that a Catholic commonplace saying of the period?
> >
> > I propose that Zanchet/ Sanchott was misplaced a generation too high in the Dabridgecourt chart, and was really a son of Sir Thomas Dabridgecourt, Mary's brother, and had been named Sanchott/ Zanchet after his maternal grandfather.
> Dame Dabridgecourt was actually Abbess of Pontoise, elected in December 1689.

Here her maternal grandfather is called Lancelot Saunders, not Sanchott.

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Church_History_of_England/kbxYAuHBmMYC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=dabridgecourt+pointois&pg=PA496&printsec=frontcover