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 by: slider - Sun, 16 May 2021 12:50 UTC

Israeli air strikes in the heart of Gaza City have flattened three
buildings and killed at least 26 people, making it the deadliest single
attack since heavy fighting broke out between Israel and the territory’s
militant Hamas rulers nearly a week ago.

The Gaza health ministry said 10 women and eight children were among those
killed in Sunday’s attack, with another 50 people injured.

https://www.eastlothiancourier.com/news/national-news/19306291.israeli-air-strikes-kill-dozens-deadliest-attack-latest-violence-gaza/

Rescuers raced to pull survivors and bodies from the rubble following the
assault.

Earlier, Israel said it had bombed the home of Gaza’s top Hamas leader in
a separate strike. It was the third such air attack targeting the homes of
Hamas leaders in the last two days.

Israel appears to have stepped up its air strikes in recent days to
inflict as much damage as possible on Hamas, as efforts to broker a
ceasefire accelerate with the arrival of a US diplomat in the region and
talks at the UN Security Council.

The military said it struck the homes of Yehiyeh Sinwar, the most senior
Hamas leader inside the territory, and his brother Muhammad, another
senior Hamas member. On Saturday it destroyed the home of Khalil al-Hayeh,
a senior figure in Hamas’s political branch.

Brigadier general Hidai Zilberman confirmed the strike on Sinwar’s house
in the southern Gaza town of Khan Younis to army radio. He said the home
of his brother, who is in charge of Hamas “logistics and personnel”, was
also destroyed.

Hamas’s upper echelon has gone into hiding in Gaza, and it is unlikely any
were at home at the time of the strikes. Its top leader, Ismail Haniyeh,
divides his time between Turkey and Qatar, both of which provide political
support to the group.

Hamas and the Islamic Jihad militant group have acknowledged 20 fighters
have been killed since the fighting broke out last Monday, while Israel
says the real number is far higher.

At least 174 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza, including 47 children
and 29 women, with more than 1,200 injured. Eight Israelis have been
killed, including a five-year-old boy and a soldier.

Hamas and other militant groups have fired some 2,900 rockets into Israel
since Monday, when tensions over a holy site in Jerusalem and the
threatened eviction of dozens of Palestinian families from a nearby
neighbourhood boiled over.

Israel has carried out hundreds of air strikes across the impoverished and
blockaded territory, which is home to more than two million Palestinians,
and brought down a number of high-rise buildings – including one that
housed The Associated Press office in Gaza.

International human rights group Amnesty International has called on the
International Criminal Court to investigate the Israeli attack on the
building housing media organisations and Sunday’s attack, calling
incidents such as these war crimes.

### - well it's starting to get fugly there now!

100's of men, women & children are being killed on the palestinian side
versus under a dozen on the israeli side?

plus the whole world turned against south africa for it's apartheid
regime, which is exactly what's happening there... only in this instance
no one's doing a damn thing??

perhaps because we (the west) has a vested interest in supporting israel
because the 'enemy' in this instance isn't just blacks: they're muslims?

we'll stop when the palistinians stop says israel, only it doesn't look
like the palistinians 'are' gonna stop this time? israel thus having the
perfect excuse to just ethnically cleanse 5.5 million Palestinians in the
most god-awful manner possible, and no one even gives a shit??

the US even bombed parts of europe when ethic cleansing happened in bosnia
but wont lift a finger to help the palestinians?

it's all wrong ya know! gaza being THE most densely populated area on
earth!?

they're defenseless!

and imho anyone who doesn't speak out against it is basically a cunt!

(it's at times like this am ashamed to be part of/related-to the human
race.)

like: where's fuckin' gandhi when ya needs him dammit!

sheesh...

30-odd years ago i wrote this protest song about all this kinda crap, the
only one apparently good enough for someone to actually steal/ripoff hah -
cool ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ht_LmHjS7Q

"war from the east, war from the west
c'mon everybody gotta do your best..."

enjoy your sunday folks!

it's only a matter of time

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 by: chris rodgers - Sun, 16 May 2021 15:46 UTC

yeah all god's little children are 'doing their best' aren't they?
sure they are. With a little help from the big blueprinter himself/herself too?
oh sure, he got a master plan alright, it's called "as luck has it".
don't worry everyone keeps their 'appointment' with big Joe Black.
Can't stop what's programmed in can we? We all got it coming.
then go out there and do your best, then realize doing your best don't
mean shit. we are at the mercy of something we don't understand.
it's all rigged boy, (fill in a couple of lines from subterranean homesick blues here)

Look out kid
It's somethin' you did
God knows when
But you're doing it again

Try hard, get barred
Get back, write braille
Get jailed, jump bail
Join the army, if you fail
Look out kid {you never know when they might draft you again}
You're gonna get hit {kid you were already hit}
But losers, cheaters
Six-time users
Hang around the theaters
Girl by the whirlpool
Lookin' for a new fool
Don't follow leaders, watch the parkin' meters

don't go joinin' no cult either, they are ALL horseshit.

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 by: slider - Sun, 16 May 2021 21:36 UTC

> don't go joinin' no cult either, they are ALL horseshit.

allreadygone wrote...

Mar 2, 2016,

the great thing about the book Slider is that you only
discuss the process of WILD without going into
contents of dream. you stay out the area of the
dreamer's world of dreaming. Each dreamer is different.
Who knows what any one person can find in dreaming?
This will prevent you from ever becoming a cult.
This is the highest honor i can bestow upon you.
As though i would ever have any authority over anything.
I can barely tie my shoes some mornings, lol!

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 by: slider - Sun, 16 May 2021 23:41 UTC

Iran calls for strong international response to Israel’s ‘crimes against
humanity and war crimes’ against Palestinians.

Tehran, Iran – Iranian officials have called on the United Nations and
fellow Muslim nations to step in to stop “apartheid” Israel from attacking
Palestine while a top military commander has pledged Iran will stand by
Palestinians.

The High Council of Human Rights of Iran – an entity under the Supreme
National Security Council currently headed by judiciary chief Ebrahim
Raisi and comprised of several ministers – has written a letter to UN
Secretary-General Antonio Guterres to take action on “genocidal acts” and
“racial cleansing” being committed by Israel.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/16/iran-calls-for-international-action-on-apartheid-israel

The letter on Sunday, seen by Al Jazeera, says silence, ambiguous
statements, and those issued in support of Israel’s “right to defend
itself” – as the United States has issued – on the situation unfolding in
Gaza have perpetuated the decades-long conflict.

The council has called on the UN to recognise that Israel is committing
“crimes against humanity and war crimes”, form a fact-finding commission,
attract the attention of all its member states, and use its human rights
mechanisms.

It said “the protection of the right of return of all displaced
Palestinians around the world and then the protection of the right to
self-determination of the Palestinian people through a referendum” would
be the best solution.

Israel’s latest bombardment of the Gaza Strip is now in its seventh
consecutive day and has killed at least 192 people, including 58 children.

Israel has maintained it is defending itself against rockets fired by
Hamas fighters – which Hamas has said were launched in response to an
Israeli crackdown on Palestinians in occupied East Jerusalem and the
storming of the Al-Aqsa Mosque.

‘Institutionalised campaign’
In remarks at an emergency virtual meeting of the Organisation of Islamic
Cooperation (OIC) on Sunday, Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif called
for action from the 57-member entity.

He said member states should devise an “institutionalised” legal and
political campaign against the “apartheid Zionist regime” at regional and
international levels.

He also called for a push to make the UN urgently convene an emergency
session of the General Assembly to address the issue.

The UN Security Council is convening on Sunday. Washington had previously
blocked a scheduled meeting on Friday.

“We are facing blatant and systemic violations of human rights,
humanitarian law and international law,” Zarif told his peers at the
virtual meeting, while also calling for a referendum that would be
inclusive of all Palestinians, including those displaced and living as
refugees.

Saudi Arabia’s Foreign Minister Faisal bin Farhan al Saud also condemned
“flagrant violations” of Palestinian rights in the meeting, and called on
the international community to act urgently.

‘Chain defeats’
Iran’s President Hassan Rouhani raised the issue with his Turkish
counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan in a phone call on Sunday, telling him
Iran and Turkey must band together as two major players in the region to
urge the UN and the OIC to fight the “crimes of the Zionist regime”.

Erdogan reportedly told him the international community must offer a
“strong and deterring response” and the Muslim world must act as one on
the Palestinian issue.

Rouhani had made a similar point during a phone call earlier this week
with Qatar Emir Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, also welcoming Qatar’s efforts
to stop the bloodshed.

Iran’s security chief Ali Shamkhani tweeted on Sunday that the “chain
defeats” of the US in Afghanistan, and of Israel against the “resistance
axis” are indicative of the failure of their policies.

“We’re ready to participate with the countries of the region in a
mechanism to create collective security as an infrastructure for
development and welfare of their nations,” he wrote.

Meanwhile, the commander of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards Quds Force on
Saturday held separate phone calls with Ismail Haniya, the head of Hamas’s
political bureau, and Ziyad al-Nakhalah, the secretary-general of the
Islamic Jihad armed group.

General Ismail Qaani stressed Tehran’s support for Palestinians facing
Israeli “crimes” and admired the “successful response of resistance forces
against the violations of the Zionist enemy”.

### - was only a matter of time before iran started making noises,
especially where israel is concerned hah!

didn't realise, however, that biden had put the block on an earlier friday
meeting of the UN??

i.e., there may now indeed be a democrat in the white house, but
apparently it's just business as usual in terms of america's on-going
foreign policy... same as it ever was! it's just 5% better than having
that nutjob trump in office is all...

the UN wont do anything anyway, they never do? a basically useless +
totally impotent organisation (no dick) that represents the world in name
only for all the good they can actually ever do beyond some kinda
self-serving lip-service to themselves and the powers that be duh...

for the UN to more 'genuinely' represent the nations of the world and to
'actually' have some real world-saving power, they should thus be removed
from american soil and placed somewhere completely independently of anyone
& everyone else, each nation then having only one single vote and with no
power of veto, and then LET majority rule! the UN would then be the
policemen of the world!

this will never happen of course while gangsters are still running the
planet and using the UN as a front for their rackets...

meanwhile, ww3 again looms larger than life on the world stage as we're
again all brought to the very brink of it...

geez wherever ya look this world really sucks!

now let's all sing mr blue sky shall we?

riiiiiiiight..... :)))

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 by: slider - Mon, 17 May 2021 14:36 UTC

### - oh boy... here it comes:

"LOOK WHAT THEY DONE! LOOK WHAT THEY DONE!"

because israel's stance is becoming untenable...

200 palestians: men, women & 60 kids, dead, and 1000's more injured

and only 10 israelis dead?

you could almost write the friggin' script??

"and the people bowed and prayed
to the neon gods they made..."

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 by: o'Mahoney - Wed, 19 May 2021 11:28 UTC

On Mon, 17 May 2021 15:36:59 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
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>### - oh boy... here it comes:
>
>"LOOK WHAT THEY DONE! LOOK WHAT THEY DONE!"
>
>because israel's stance is becoming untenable...
>
>200 palestians: men, women & 60 kids, dead, and 1000's more injured
>
>and only 10 israelis dead?

You want MORE Jews dead? Don't forget what was done to them in the 6
year war mid-20th century, there were plenty killed then, men, women
and children.

That's why they said, and still say: "Never again".

>
>you could almost write the friggin' script??
>
>"and the people bowed and prayed
>to the neon gods they made..."

And don't forget how many times the Jews have knocked off materially
superior forces from just about every Arab state surrounding them -
that's where a lot of their territory has come from.

They might have the blood of Christ on their hands, but they sure know
how to fight.

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 by: o'Mahoney - Wed, 19 May 2021 11:31 UTC

On Sun, 16 May 2021 22:36:21 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

>
>> don't go joinin' no cult either, they are ALL horseshit.
>
>allreadygone wrote...
>
>Mar 2, 2016,
>
>the great thing about the book Slider is that you only
>discuss the process of WILD without going into
>contents of dream. you stay out the area of the
>dreamer's world of dreaming. Each dreamer is different.
>Who knows what any one person can find in dreaming?
>This will prevent you from ever becoming a cult.
>This is the highest honor i can bestow upon you.
>As though i would ever have any authority over anything.
>I can barely tie my shoes some mornings, lol!

Lol. He's changed rather a lot in the last 5 years, has he not? In
those days he was actually polite to Dave, you and everyone else. His
bitterness really only extended to Castaneda and some of his crew -
now it extends to practically everyone from what I observe.

I don't blame him though, I think largely a lot of it is due to simple
aging and the inability to defer the inevitable, which inevitable
becomes more and more apparent every day.

In other words, avoid mirrors like the plague :)

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 by: slider - Wed, 19 May 2021 12:00 UTC

On Wed, 19 May 2021 12:28:10 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, 17 May 2021 15:36:59 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
> wrote:
>
>> ### - oh boy... here it comes:
>>
>> "LOOK WHAT THEY DONE! LOOK WHAT THEY DONE!"
>>
>> because israel's stance is becoming untenable...
>>
>> 200 palestians: men, women & 60 kids, dead, and 1000's more injured
>>
>> and only 10 israelis dead?
>
> You want MORE Jews dead? Don't forget what was done to them in the 6
> year war mid-20th century, there were plenty killed then, men, women
> and children.
>
> That's why they said, and still say: "Never again".

### - i don't want 'anyone' dead... just wouldn't surprise me if the
isralis pulled some stunt to make their cause look more justified, was
what i was going-on about... but maybe they wont go that far, basically
because they're gonna do what they wanna do anyway regardless of what
anyone says or tells them to do, and the UN can go fuck itself! and
everyone else too because they've got the might! the iron fist! and no one
but no one is ever gonna take that away from them again!!!

i can see their pov... no problem! my objection being about their cruelty
and seeming sadism?

i mean, i always thought that people who've been through some serious
cruelty and suffering themselves would never be able to condone it, in
fact speak out against it, deplore it!

and yet they're being horribly cruel and mean to the palestinians who've
got nowhere else to go? who've been homeless since 1948! and under
occupation for the last 15-odd years??

there's 5.5 MILLION palestinians there! the world dispossessed them of
their original state and wont even let them begin a new one??

>> you could almost write the friggin' script??
>>
>> "and the people bowed and prayed
>> to the neon gods they made..."
>
> And don't forget how many times the Jews have knocked off materially
> superior forces from just about every Arab state surrounding them -
> that's where a lot of their territory has come from.
>
> They might have the blood of Christ on their hands, but they sure know
> how to fight.

### - the west gave them all that and did all that for 'em...

they're the west's little lonely outpost in the arab badlands, totally
tooled-up to meet any eventuality!

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 by: slider - Wed, 19 May 2021 12:06 UTC

On Wed, 19 May 2021 12:31:41 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com>
wrote:

> On Sun, 16 May 2021 22:36:21 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>> don't go joinin' no cult either, they are ALL horseshit.
>>
>> allreadygone wrote...
>>
>> Mar 2, 2016,
>>
>> the great thing about the book Slider is that you only
>> discuss the process of WILD without going into
>> contents of dream. you stay out the area of the
>> dreamer's world of dreaming. Each dreamer is different.
>> Who knows what any one person can find in dreaming?
>> This will prevent you from ever becoming a cult.
>> This is the highest honor i can bestow upon you.
>> As though i would ever have any authority over anything.
>> I can barely tie my shoes some mornings, lol!
>
> Lol. He's changed rather a lot in the last 5 years, has he not? In
> those days he was actually polite to Dave, you and everyone else. His
> bitterness really only extended to Castaneda and some of his crew -
> now it extends to practically everyone from what I observe.
>
> I don't blame him though, I think largely a lot of it is due to simple
> aging and the inability to defer the inevitable, which inevitable
> becomes more and more apparent every day.
>
> In other words, avoid mirrors like the plague :)

### - yeah he's turnin' into some kinda miserable old bastard who just
complains all the time LOL !

maybe he's got piles? :)))

old age is a bitch you just can't let creep up on ya really ;)

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 by: o'Mahoney - Tue, 25 May 2021 10:34 UTC

On Wed, 19 May 2021 13:06:27 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 19 May 2021 12:31:41 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com>
>wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 16 May 2021 22:36:21 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> don't go joinin' no cult either, they are ALL horseshit.
>>>
>>> allreadygone wrote...
>>>
>>> Mar 2, 2016,
>>>
>>> the great thing about the book Slider is that you only
>>> discuss the process of WILD without going into
>>> contents of dream. you stay out the area of the
>>> dreamer's world of dreaming. Each dreamer is different.
>>> Who knows what any one person can find in dreaming?
>>> This will prevent you from ever becoming a cult.
>>> This is the highest honor i can bestow upon you.
>>> As though i would ever have any authority over anything.
>>> I can barely tie my shoes some mornings, lol!
>>
>> Lol. He's changed rather a lot in the last 5 years, has he not? In
>> those days he was actually polite to Dave, you and everyone else. His
>> bitterness really only extended to Castaneda and some of his crew -
>> now it extends to practically everyone from what I observe.
>>
>> I don't blame him though, I think largely a lot of it is due to simple
>> aging and the inability to defer the inevitable, which inevitable
>> becomes more and more apparent every day.
>>
>> In other words, avoid mirrors like the plague :)
>
>### - yeah he's turnin' into some kinda miserable old bastard who just
>complains all the time LOL !
>
>maybe he's got piles? :)))
>
>old age is a bitch you just can't let creep up on ya really ;)

Agreed. Only one thing I detest more than growing old and that's ...
the alternative :)

And I'm getting crankier by the day too. Not so much due to aging,
although that's part of it, but mainly due to the stupidity and
triviality of people which one seems to notice more and more as one
becomes older.

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 by: o'Mahoney - Tue, 25 May 2021 10:37 UTC

On Wed, 19 May 2021 13:00:36 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 19 May 2021 12:28:10 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com>
>wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 17 May 2021 15:36:59 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ### - oh boy... here it comes:
>>>
>>> "LOOK WHAT THEY DONE! LOOK WHAT THEY DONE!"
>>>
>>> because israel's stance is becoming untenable...
>>>
>>> 200 palestians: men, women & 60 kids, dead, and 1000's more injured
>>>
>>> and only 10 israelis dead?
>>
>> You want MORE Jews dead? Don't forget what was done to them in the 6
>> year war mid-20th century, there were plenty killed then, men, women
>> and children.
>>
>> That's why they said, and still say: "Never again".
>
>### - i don't want 'anyone' dead... just wouldn't surprise me if the
>isralis pulled some stunt to make their cause look more justified, was
>what i was going-on about... but maybe they wont go that far, basically
>because they're gonna do what they wanna do anyway regardless of what
>anyone says or tells them to do, and the UN can go fuck itself! and
>everyone else too because they've got the might! the iron fist! and no one
>but no one is ever gonna take that away from them again!!!
>
>i can see their pov... no problem! my objection being about their cruelty
>and seeming sadism?
>
>i mean, i always thought that people who've been through some serious
>cruelty and suffering themselves would never be able to condone it, in
>fact speak out against it, deplore it!
>
>and yet they're being horribly cruel and mean to the palestinians who've
>got nowhere else to go? who've been homeless since 1948! and under
>occupation for the last 15-odd years??
>
>there's 5.5 MILLION palestinians there! the world dispossessed them of
>their original state and wont even let them begin a new one??
>
>
>
>
>>> you could almost write the friggin' script??
>>>
>>> "and the people bowed and prayed
>>> to the neon gods they made..."
>>
>> And don't forget how many times the Jews have knocked off materially
>> superior forces from just about every Arab state surrounding them -
>> that's where a lot of their territory has come from.
>>
>> They might have the blood of Christ on their hands, but they sure know
>> how to fight.
>
>### - the west gave them all that and did all that for 'em...
>
>they're the west's little lonely outpost in the arab badlands, totally
>tooled-up to meet any eventuality!

That's a fairly accurate summary of the geopolitical position of
Israel.

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 by: slider - Wed, 26 May 2021 03:11 UTC

On Tue, 25 May 2021 11:34:53 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com>
wrote:

> On Wed, 19 May 2021 13:06:27 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 12:31:41 +0100, o'Mahoney
>> <libertidad@south.south.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 16 May 2021 22:36:21 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> don't go joinin' no cult either, they are ALL horseshit.
>>>>
>>>> allreadygone wrote...
>>>>
>>>> Mar 2, 2016,
>>>>
>>>> the great thing about the book Slider is that you only
>>>> discuss the process of WILD without going into
>>>> contents of dream. you stay out the area of the
>>>> dreamer's world of dreaming. Each dreamer is different.
>>>> Who knows what any one person can find in dreaming?
>>>> This will prevent you from ever becoming a cult.
>>>> This is the highest honor i can bestow upon you.
>>>> As though i would ever have any authority over anything.
>>>> I can barely tie my shoes some mornings, lol!
>>>
>>> Lol. He's changed rather a lot in the last 5 years, has he not? In
>>> those days he was actually polite to Dave, you and everyone else. His
>>> bitterness really only extended to Castaneda and some of his crew -
>>> now it extends to practically everyone from what I observe.
>>>
>>> I don't blame him though, I think largely a lot of it is due to simple
>>> aging and the inability to defer the inevitable, which inevitable
>>> becomes more and more apparent every day.
>>>
>>> In other words, avoid mirrors like the plague :)
>>
>> ### - yeah he's turnin' into some kinda miserable old bastard who just
>> complains all the time LOL !
>>
>> maybe he's got piles? :)))
>>
>> old age is a bitch you just can't let creep up on ya really ;)
>
> Agreed. Only one thing I detest more than growing old and that's ...
> the alternative :)
>
> And I'm getting crankier by the day too. Not so much due to aging,
> although that's part of it, but mainly due to the stupidity and
> triviality of people which one seems to notice more and more as one
> becomes older.

### - it's actually a kind of test to fathom if someone can see/accept the
world for the way it really 'is' and still keep their cool, many can't
unfortunately and they go literally nuts or go out on a rampage... others
though (a rare few) somehow manage to keep their shit together and handle
that deplorable & depressing information without blowing a gasket in the
process, and as such they eventually become... wise old sages ;)

the real question here being: what can (or should) be 'done' about all
this, what is the ultimate solution to such ignorance and the resulting
primitive world we one day wake up and find ourselves surrounded by...

some say that it's only via education that things will change, that the
very nature of education itself perforce has to change if governments, and
the politicians that run them, are going to be different... others have
suggested that it's only by scrapping the whole damn thing and starting
over that things will ever improve...

personally, i go with the education side of that debate, that's it's only
ultimately via improved education that people will have different ideas
and aspirations and thus 'want' different things, this versus the forces
and powers that be that actively strive to keep things exactly the way
they are because it's better for 'them' personally and screw everyone &
everything else!

meanwhile, the world is being run by gangsters... and imho this more than
explains why everything about our world is so bad and so crummy, and is
basically total shit...

the buddhists have a nice idea for example: that when a 3rd of humanity is
actually enlightened, and another 3rd is on the genuine road 'to'
enlightenment, then the last 3rd (all the pigs & fishes heh; the hardest
of all to become enlightened) will then be drawn up into it via a kind of
siphon effect, and then all of humanity will between them create an
enlightened world...

the work involved then being that of setting as many people as possible
upon that genuine road to enlightenment so as to speed up/expedite the
process.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MHggQaCc-A

;)

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