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* Re: Ancestors of ReniaLeslie Mahler
`* Re: Ancestors of ReniaJBrand
 `- Re: Ancestors of ReniaRenia Simmonds

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Re: Ancestors of Renia

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Subject: Re: Ancestors of Renia
From: lesliema...@gmail.com (Leslie Mahler)
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 by: Leslie Mahler - Sat, 4 Jun 2022 16:49 UTC

On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 at 12:05:42 PM UTC-8, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
> Leo is not showing you descending from Richard Cecil
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> From: Wjhonson <wjho...@aol.com>
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> http://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00555805&tree=LEO
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It turns out that Renia was completely wrong about some of her ancestral connections.

This John Bury:
https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00338590&tree=LEO
was a son of Phineas Bury, not of John Bury and Mary Tolderfield.

sources:
https://landedestates.ie/estate/2179
https://archive.org/details/genealogicalhera00burkuoft/page/90/mode/2up

William Palliser, Archbishop of Cashel:
https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00338592&tree=LEO
was a son of Thomas Palliser and Joan Frankland / Franklin, not of
John Palliser and Jane Wright.

sources:
https://www.dib.ie/biography/palliser-william-a7173
https://archive.org/details/genealogicalhera00burkuoft/page/544/mode/2up
https://archive.org/details/dugdalesvisitati03dugd/page/477/mode/1up

The mother of Wray Bury Palliser:
https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00550500&tree=LEO
was a daughter of Richard Taylor, not Anne Bury.

source, column 3:
https://archive.org/details/genealogicalhera00burkuoft/page/544/mode/2up

That eliminates the supposed Cecil connection.

Leslie

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Subject: Re: Ancestors of Renia
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 by: JBrand - Sat, 4 Jun 2022 18:45 UTC

On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 12:49:31 PM UTC-4, Leslie Mahler wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 at 12:05:42 PM UTC-8, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Leo is not showing you descending from Richard Cecil
> >
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wjhonson <wjho...@aol.com>
> > To: gen-medieval <gen-me...@rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Tue, Mar 5, 2013 10:47 am
> > Subject: Ancestors of Renia
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> > http://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00555805&tree=LEO
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> It turns out that Renia was completely wrong about some of her ancestral connections.
>
> This John Bury:
> https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00338590&tree=LEO
> was a son of Phineas Bury, not of John Bury and Mary Tolderfield.
>
> sources:
> https://landedestates.ie/estate/2179
> https://archive.org/details/genealogicalhera00burkuoft/page/90/mode/2up
>
> William Palliser, Archbishop of Cashel:
> https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00338592&tree=LEO
> was a son of Thomas Palliser and Joan Frankland / Franklin, not of
> John Palliser and Jane Wright.
>
> sources:
> https://www.dib.ie/biography/palliser-william-a7173
> https://archive.org/details/genealogicalhera00burkuoft/page/544/mode/2up
> https://archive.org/details/dugdalesvisitati03dugd/page/477/mode/1up
>
> The mother of Wray Bury Palliser:
> https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00550500&tree=LEO
> was a daughter of Richard Taylor, not Anne Bury.
>
> source, column 3:
> https://archive.org/details/genealogicalhera00burkuoft/page/544/mode/2up
>
> That eliminates the supposed Cecil connection.
>
> Leslie

Renia wrong? Surely not.

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Subject: Re: Ancestors of Renia
From: reni...@sky.com (Renia Simmonds)
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 by: Renia Simmonds - Thu, 9 Feb 2023 13:34 UTC

On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 7:45:51 PM UTC+1, JBrand wrote:
> On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 12:49:31 PM UTC-4, Leslie Mahler wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 at 12:05:42 PM UTC-8, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Leo is not showing you descending from Richard Cecil
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Wjhonson <wjho...@aol.com>
> > > To: gen-medieval <gen-me...@rootsweb.com>
> > > Sent: Tue, Mar 5, 2013 10:47 am
> > > Subject: Ancestors of Renia
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00555805&tree=LEO
> > >
> > > -------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-MEDIEV...@rootsweb.com
> > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of
> > > the message
> > It turns out that Renia was completely wrong about some of her ancestral connections.
> >
> > This John Bury:
> > https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00338590&tree=LEO
> > was a son of Phineas Bury, not of John Bury and Mary Tolderfield.
> >
> > sources:
> > https://landedestates.ie/estate/2179
> > https://archive.org/details/genealogicalhera00burkuoft/page/90/mode/2up
> >
> > William Palliser, Archbishop of Cashel:
> > https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00338592&tree=LEO
> > was a son of Thomas Palliser and Joan Frankland / Franklin, not of
> > John Palliser and Jane Wright.
> >
> > sources:
> > https://www.dib.ie/biography/palliser-william-a7173
> > https://archive.org/details/genealogicalhera00burkuoft/page/544/mode/2up
> > https://archive.org/details/dugdalesvisitati03dugd/page/477/mode/1up
> >
> > The mother of Wray Bury Palliser:
> > https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00550500&tree=LEO
> > was a daughter of Richard Taylor, not Anne Bury.
> >
> > source, column 3:
> > https://archive.org/details/genealogicalhera00burkuoft/page/544/mode/2up
> >
> > That eliminates the supposed Cecil connection.
> >
> > Leslie
> Renia wrong? Surely not.

The standard genealogies have these parental connections wrong. My 9xggf, William Palliser, Archibishop of Cashel, was not the son of Thomas Palliser and Joan Frankland, but of John Palliser and Jane Wright. The Bury (Earls of Charleville pedigrees) are all over the place. The will of Richard Bury, Mayor of Dorchester, confirms his son, John, married Mary Tolderfield. Again, the printed pedigrees are wrong. Finally, I cannot find a descent from Richard Cecil, but from his father, Thomas Cecil, who is my 11xggf through Drury Wray.

I've not posted here for years so I've only just replied to Leslie because I've only just bumped into his post. Hope everybody is well. Regards, Renia..

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