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“Nihil aliud hic latet” “nisi redactor ignoratissimus” [Nothing else is hidden here except the ignorant redactor]. --------- is this famous or is it made-up on the spot?

https://www.thepostil.com/studies-in-the-literature-of-sherlock-holmes

This essay by Ronald Knox created and established the Sherlockian tradition of the “Great Game,” in which the stories about Sherlock Holmes are treated as true and are then carefully placed within the context of history, literature and philosophy, Knox wrote this essay in 1911, and it was published in 1912. It forever changed the status of Sherlock Holmes.

We give below the entire essay, with the various Greek and Latin passages Englished, and references annotated.

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If there is anything pleasant in life, it is doing what we aren’t meant to do. If there is anything pleasant in criticism, it is finding out what we aren’t meant to find out. It is the method by which we treat as significant what the author did not mean to be significant, by which we single out as essential what the author regarded as incidental.

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Any studies in Sherlock Holmes must be, first and foremost, studies in Dr. Watson. Let us treat at once of the literary and bibliographical aspects of the question. First, as to authenticity. There are several grave inconsistencies in the Holmes cycle. For example the Study in Scarlet and the Reminiscences are from the hand of John H. Watson, M.D., but in the story of “The Man with the Twisted Lip,” Mrs. Watson addresses her husband as James. The present writer, together with three brothers, wrote to ask Sir Arthur Conan Doyle for an explanation, appending their names in the proper style with crosses after them, and an indication that this was the sign of the Four. The answer was that it was an error, an error, in fact of editing. “Nihil aliud hic latet,” says the great Sauwosch, “nisi redactor ignoratissimus” [Nothing else is hidden here except the ignorant redactor]. Yet this error gave the original impetus to Backnecke theory of the Deutero-Watson, to whom he assigns the Study in Scarlet, the “Gloria Scott,” and the “Return of Sherlock Holmes.” He leaves to the proto-Watson the rest of the Memoirs, the Adventures, the Sign of Four and the Hound of the Baskervilles. He disputed the Study in Scarlet on other grounds, the statement in it, for example, that Holmes’s knowledge of literature and philosophy was nil, whereas it is clear and the true Holmes was a man of wide reading and deep thought. We shall deal with this in its proper place.

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 by: henh...@gmail.com - Wed, 4 Oct 2023 03:47 UTC

On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 3:54:00 PM UTC-7, henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> “Nihil aliud hic latet” “nisi redactor ignoratissimus” [Nothing else is hidden here except the ignorant redactor]. --------- is this famous or is it made-up on the spot?
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> https://www.thepostil.com/studies-in-the-literature-of-sherlock-holmes


> If there is anything pleasant in life, it is doing what we aren’t meant to do. If there is anything pleasant in criticism, it is finding out what we aren’t meant to find out. It is the method by which we treat as significant what the author did not mean to be significant, by which we single out as essential what the author regarded as incidental.

----------- Here, was Knox paraphrasing an older, famous quote?

(bard.google.com responds:) No, as far as I can tell, Ronald Knox was not paraphrasing an older, famous quote when he wrote "If there is anything pleasant in life, it is doing what we aren't meant to do."

The idea that there is pleasure in doing what is forbidden is certainly an old one, dating back to at least the story of Adam and Eve in the Bible. However, Knox's specific phrasing is his own, and it is not known to be a paraphrase of any other quote.

It is possible that Knox was inspired by other works of literature or philosophy when he wrote his quote, but there is no direct evidence to support this. Ultimately, it is up to the individual to decide whether or not they believe that Knox's quote is original.

____________________________ There are a few quotes about the pleasure of doing forbidden things that are newer than the story of Adam and Eve. Here are a few examples:

"The forbidden fruit is always the sweetest." - Spanish proverb

"The one thing that can be truly said about life is that it is an experiment in living. There are no rules. There is no right or wrong. There is only what you do." - Bruce Lee

"The only way to learn is to live through all the forbidden things." - Marilyn Monroe

"The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot

"Rules are made to be broken." - Roald Dahl

"The only way to do great work is to love what you do." - Steve Jobs

"If you follow your bliss, doors will open where there were no doors before.." - Joseph Campbell

"The purpose of life is not to be happy. It is to be useful, to be honorable, to be compassionate, to have it make some difference that you have lived and lived well." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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>>> The answer was that it was an error, an error, in fact of editing. “Nihil aliud hic latet,” says the great Sauwosch, “nisi redactor ignoratissimus” [Nothing else is hidden here except the ignorant redactor]. Yet this error gave the original impetus to Backnecke theory of the Deutero-Watson, to whom he assigns the Study in Scarlet, the “Gloria Scott,” and the “Return of Sherlock Holmes.”

----- maybe [the great Sauwosch] ==== Sir ACD ?

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/deutero-

i suppose that Deutero- has the overtones of fake, ersatz, imposter, kagemusha, .........

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 by: Ed Cryer - Wed, 4 Oct 2023 18:05 UTC

henh...@gmail.com wrote:
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> “Nihil aliud hic latet” “nisi redactor ignoratissimus” [Nothing else is hidden here except the ignorant redactor]. --------- is this famous or is it made-up on the spot?
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I think this Latin was just written on the hoof. I've done some
googling, and the only hits are for the place you mention.
It doesn't have the look and feel of well quoted Latin tags; short and
snappy like "Semper fidelis", "Numquam non paratus", "Cui bono?" or
"Nemo me impune lacessit".
Ed

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 by: Btraven - Sat, 21 Oct 2023 21:44 UTC

On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 2:05:50 PM UTC-4, Ed Cryer wrote:
> henh...@gmail.com wrote:
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> > “Nihil aliud hic latet” “nisi redactor ignoratissimus” [Nothing else is hidden here except the ignorant redactor]. --------- is this famous or is it made-up on the spot?
> >
> >
> I think this Latin was just written on the hoof. I've done some
> googling, and the only hits are for the place you mention.
> It doesn't have the look and feel of well quoted Latin tags; short and
> snappy like "Semper fidelis", "Numquam non paratus", "Cui bono?" or
> "Nemo me impune lacessit".
>
> Ed

All the words are Latin but without context it seems to mean too much. What is redactor? A collector of money or a coraller of words to be fitted into the assigned space in a newspaper page layout? 'ignoratissimus' here isn't 'ignorant' but 'very ill known' as in 'lingua Latina ignoratissima.'

b.t.

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