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Subject: Trivial take but can I venture a cube here?
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XGID=-aBBBCC-----A----a-bAebdA-:1:1:1:00:3:4:3:0:X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon
10

Score is X:3 O:4. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| O | | O X O O O X |
| | | O O O O |
| | | O O |
| | | O O |
| | | O |
| |BAR| |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | X X | +---+
| | | X X X X X | | 2 |
| X | | X X X X X O | +---+
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 107 O: 78 X-O: 3-4
Cube: 2, X own cube
X on roll, cube action

Paul

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From: tchow12...@yahoo.com (Timothy Chow)
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Subject: Re: Trivial take but can I venture a cube here?
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 by: Timothy Chow - Wed, 4 Aug 2021 01:24 UTC

On 8/3/2021 4:41 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
> XGID=-aBBBCC-----A----a-bAebdA-:1:1:1:00:3:4:3:0:X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon
> 10
>
> Score is X:3 O:4. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
> +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
> | O | | O X O O O X |
> | | | O O O O |
> | | | O O |
> | | | O O |
> | | | O |
> | |BAR| |
> | | | |
> | | | |
> | | | X X | +---+
> | | | X X X X X | | 2 |
> | X | | X X X X X O | +---+
> +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
> Pip count X: 107 O: 78 X-O: 3-4
> Cube: 2, X own cube
> X on roll, cube action

This doesn't look like a trivial take to me. O's only real asset
is her pip count lead. She still has a four-point board but it's
fragile, with lots of semi-dead checkers. I would pass this one,
but I don't think it's TG, so D/P.

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Tim Chow

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Subject: Re: Trivial take but can I venture a cube here?
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 by: peps...@gmail.com - Sat, 7 Aug 2021 08:56 UTC

On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 2:24:30 AM UTC+1, Tim Chow wrote:
> On 8/3/2021 4:41 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
> > XGID=-aBBBCC-----A----a-bAebdA-:1:1:1:00:3:4:3:0:X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon
> > 10
> >
> > Score is X:3 O:4. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
> > +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
> > | O | | O X O O O X |
> > | | | O O O O |
> > | | | O O |
> > | | | O O |
> > | | | O |
> > | |BAR| |
> > | | | |
> > | | | |
> > | | | X X | +---+
> > | | | X X X X X | | 2 |
> > | X | | X X X X X O | +---+
> > +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
> > Pip count X: 107 O: 78 X-O: 3-4
> > Cube: 2, X own cube
> > X on roll, cube action
> This doesn't look like a trivial take to me. O's only real asset
> is her pip count lead. She still has a four-point board but it's
> fragile, with lots of semi-dead checkers. I would pass this one,
> but I don't think it's TG, so D/P.
>
> ---
> Tim Chow

It is actually a clear (but somewhat marginal) TG, which surprised me slightly.
I'm quite busy so it might be a week or so before I can do the rollout.
You don't seem to have properly considered TG. You don't explicitly say that its not worth
consideration but none of your analysis is about market gaining.

Paul

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Subject: Re: Trivial take but can I venture a cube here?
From: pepste...@gmail.com (peps...@gmail.com)
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 by: peps...@gmail.com - Sat, 7 Aug 2021 09:03 UTC

On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 9:56:32 AM UTC+1, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 2:24:30 AM UTC+1, Tim Chow wrote:
> > On 8/3/2021 4:41 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > XGID=-aBBBCC-----A----a-bAebdA-:1:1:1:00:3:4:3:0:X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon
> > > 10
> > >
> > > Score is X:3 O:4. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
> > > +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
> > > | O | | O X O O O X |
> > > | | | O O O O |
> > > | | | O O |
> > > | | | O O |
> > > | | | O |
> > > | |BAR| |
> > > | | | |
> > > | | | |
> > > | | | X X | +---+
> > > | | | X X X X X | | 2 |
> > > | X | | X X X X X O | +---+
> > > +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
> > > Pip count X: 107 O: 78 X-O: 3-4
> > > Cube: 2, X own cube
> > > X on roll, cube action
> > This doesn't look like a trivial take to me. O's only real asset
> > is her pip count lead. She still has a four-point board but it's
> > fragile, with lots of semi-dead checkers. I would pass this one,
> > but I don't think it's TG, so D/P.
> >
> > ---
> > Tim Chow
> It is actually a clear (but somewhat marginal) TG, which surprised me slightly.
> I'm quite busy so it might be a week or so before I can do the rollout.
> You don't seem to have properly considered TG. You don't explicitly say that its not worth
> consideration but none of your analysis is about market gaining.
>
> Paul

"clear but somewhat marginal" might sound contradictory.
If I remember correctly, the analysis/ partial rollout gave a marginal TG.
But I say "clear" because it wasn't so close as to put the TG verdict in doubt.
Something like 0.03 or 0.04, I think.

Paul

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