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o Re: OT::Countess de GurowskiSteven C Perkins

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Re: OT::Countess de Gurowski

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Subject: Re: OT::Countess de Gurowski
From: scperk...@gmail.com (Steven C Perkins)
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 by: Steven C Perkins - Mon, 8 May 2023 23:12 UTC

On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 5:41:01 AM UTC-4, paco fal wrote:
> El domingo, 24 de octubre de 2004 a las 0:47:18 UTC+2, History Writer escribió:
> > SPer...@interaccess.com ("Steven C. Perkins") wrote in message news:<417A3FFE.26888.3948025@localhost>...
> > > Hello:
> > >
> > > I am trying to verify the descendants of Charles Allen Perkins, d 1890,
> > > and Princess Maria Isabella Francoise, the Countess Gurowski. I have two
> > > sons, Alfonso Francoise DeAsis Fernando Maria Del Pilar, b Paris, 25 Feb
> > > 1873, and Carlos (other names?) b Paris, 1876. They are descendants of
> > > Edward Perkins, immigrant to New Haven Colony, 1640.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Steven C. Perkins
> > Dona Maria Isabel Gurowski y de Borbon (1847-1925) was the daughter of
> > Count Ignaz Gurowski (1814-1887) and Infanta Isabel de Borbon y Borbon
> > 1821-1887), sister of King-Consort Francisco, husband of Queen Isabel
> > II of Spain. Charles Allen-Perkins (he hyphenated his name in Europe)
> > was an American diplomat posted in Lisbon. He was born in Salisbury,
> > Connecticut, Dec 17, 1835, and died in Boston, March 16, 1884. The
> > Allen-Perkins children remained in Spain, where they married. Don
> > Alfonso Allen-Perkins y Gurowski (1873-1950) had two children, but
> > both apparently died without children. Don Carlos Allen-Perkins y
> > Gurowski (1874-1929) became a stage actor. He many descendants, who
> > are all listed in many genealogy books, including Daniel Willis's
> > "Descendants of Louis XIII" (1999) and in Nicholas Enache's "La
> > Descendance de Marie Therese de Habsbourg" (1996). The only
> > descendant of Don Carlos Allen-Perkins who is titled is Don Ignacio
> > Sangro y Colon, Marques de Guad-el-Jelu, born 1964. The Marques would
> > appear to be descended as well from Christopher Colombus. His
> > grandmother, Ana Maria Allen-Perkins y de Pablo (born 1907, daughter
> > of Carlos the actor) married Cristobal Colon y Lapuente in 1927. Best
> > Regards.
> La fecha del fallecimiento de Charles Allen Perkins fue cambiada por los borbones para que su viuda pudiera casarse de nuevo. El divorcio no existía y eran muy católicos. Si se publicaba en todos los documentos que Charles había fallecido en 1884, su viuda podría casarse en 1886 sin "pecar" contra la iglesia catolica. Pero si se mantenia la fecha de 1892, fecha real de su fallecimiento, la infanta viuda no podría contraer matrimonio porque su marido estaba vivo.
> Por ese motivo decidieron mentir y figurar como viuda.
>
> The date of death of Charles Allen Perkins was changed by the Bourbons so that his widow could remarry. Divorce did not exist and they were very Catholic. If published in all the documents that Charles had died in 1884, his widow could marry in 1886 without "sinning" against the Catholic church. But if the date of 1892, the actual date of his death, were kept, the dowager infant could not marry because her husband was alive.
> That’s why they decided to lie and become a widow.
> (Forgive my English translation)
Thanks for your explanation. I was wondering about that situation. I have been trying to get a copy of the Papal Dispensation for the marriage, both from the Vatican Archives and from the church in Lisbon, but so far without success.

Steven

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