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* Nord Stream Terror Attack: The Plot Thickens …Nick
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| `* Re: Nord Stream Terror Attack: The Plot Thickens …Радостина
|  `* Re: Nord Stream Terror Attack: The Plot Thickens …Ivaylo Ivanov
|   `* Re: Nord Stream Terror Attack: The Plot Thickens …Радостина
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+* Re: Nord Stream Terror Attack: The Plot Thickens …Ivaylo Ivanov
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| `* Re: Nord Stream Terror Attack: The Plot Thickens …Ivaylo Ivanov
|  `- Re: Nord Stream Terror Attack: The Plot Thickens …Nick
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 by: Nick - Mon, 20 Feb 2023 17:36 UTC

Nord Stream Terror Attack: The Plot Thickens

Seymour Hersh’s bombshell report on how the United States government blew
up the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines in the Baltic Sea last September
continues to generate rippling geopolitical waves all across the spectrum.

Except, of course, in the parallel bubble of U.S. mainstream media, which
has totally ignored it, or in a few select cases, decided to shoot the
messenger, dismissing Hersh as a “discredited” journalist, a “blogger”,
and a “conspiracy theorist”.

това, последното, много познато ми изглежда, къде ли съм го виждал?

Old school Moscow-based foreign correspondent John Helmer has gone even
further; and what he uncovered may be as incandescent as Sy Hersh’s own
narrative.

The heart of the matter in Hersh’s report concerns attribution of
responsibility for a de facto industrial terror attack. Surprisingly, no
CIA; that falls straight on the toxic planning trio of Sullivan, Blinken
and Nuland – neoliberal-cons part of the “Biden” combo. And the final
green light comes from the Ultimate Decider: the senile, teleprompt-
reading President himself. The Norwegians feature as minor helpers.

That poses the first serious problem: nowhere in his narrative Hersh
refers to MI6, the Poles (government, Navy), the Danes, and even the
German government.

The Special Military Operation (SMO) was launched on February 24, almost a
year ago. The Nord Stream 1 and 2 blow up happened on September 26. Hersh
assures there were “more than nine months of highly secret back and forth
debate inside Washington’s national security community about how to
‘sabotage the pipelines’”.

So that confirms that the terror attack planning preceded, by months, not
only the SMO but, crucially, the letters sent by Moscow to Washington on
December 2022, requesting a serious discussion on “indivisibility of
security” involving NATO, Russia and the post-Soviet space. The request
was met by a dismissive American non-response response.

In a nutshell: the ultimate Mackinderian anathema for the U.S. ruling
classes – and that’s bipartisan – is a Germany-Russia alliance, extended
to China: that would mean the U.S. expelled from Eurasia, and that
conditions everything any American government thinks and does in terms of
NATO and Russia.

има и още, на различни места в паяжината, някои недостъпни, други - не
толкова, като например това:

https://strategic-culture.org/news/2023/02/14/nord-stream-terror-attack-the-plot-thickens/

оставям на ивайло да ни информира какъв точно е авторът - дали е обикновен
руски агент или нещо по-лошо, какъв е неговият h-index и с кого изневерява
жена му …

и да, напълно съм наясно, че това е само една интерпретация на автора на
събитията около северните потоци, която само бъдещето може да покаже
доколко е близо до истината.

--
«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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 by: ИлиевBG - Mon, 20 Feb 2023 17:53 UTC

On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 7:36:36 PM UTC+2, Nick wrote:
> Nord Stream Terror Attack: The Plot Thickens
>
> Seymour Hersh’s bombshell report on how the United States government blew
> up the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines in the Baltic Sea last September
> continues to generate rippling geopolitical waves all across the spectrum.
>
> Except, of course, in the parallel bubble of U.S. mainstream media, which
> has totally ignored it, or in a few select cases, decided to shoot the
> messenger, dismissing Hersh as a “discredited” journalist, a “blogger”,
> and a “conspiracy theorist”.
>
> това, последното, много познато ми изглежда, къде ли съм го виждал?
>
> Old school Moscow-based foreign correspondent John Helmer has gone even
> further; and what he uncovered may be as incandescent as Sy Hersh’s own
> narrative.
>
> The heart of the matter in Hersh’s report concerns attribution of
> responsibility for a de facto industrial terror attack. Surprisingly, no
> CIA; that falls straight on the toxic planning trio of Sullivan, Blinken
> and Nuland – neoliberal-cons part of the “Biden” combo. And the final
> green light comes from the Ultimate Decider: the senile, teleprompt-
> reading President himself. The Norwegians feature as minor helpers.
>
> That poses the first serious problem: nowhere in his narrative Hersh
> refers to MI6, the Poles (government, Navy), the Danes, and even the
> German government.
>
> …
>
> The Special Military Operation (SMO) was launched on February 24, almost a
> year ago. The Nord Stream 1 and 2 blow up happened on September 26. Hersh
> assures there were “more than nine months of highly secret back and forth
> debate inside Washington’s national security community about how to
> ‘sabotage the pipelines’”.
>
> So that confirms that the terror attack planning preceded, by months, not
> only the SMO but, crucially, the letters sent by Moscow to Washington on
> December 2022, requesting a serious discussion on “indivisibility of
> security” involving NATO, Russia and the post-Soviet space. The request
> was met by a dismissive American non-response response.
>
> …
>
> In a nutshell: the ultimate Mackinderian anathema for the U.S. ruling
> classes – and that’s bipartisan – is a Germany-Russia alliance, extended
> to China: that would mean the U.S. expelled from Eurasia, and that
> conditions everything any American government thinks and does in terms of
> NATO and Russia.
>
> има и още, на различни места в паяжината, някои недостъпни, други - не
> толкова, като например това:
>
> https://strategic-culture.org/news/2023/02/14/nord-stream-terror-attack-the-plot-thickens/
>
> оставям на ивайло да ни информира какъв точно е авторът - дали е обикновен
> руски агент или нещо по-лошо, какъв е неговият h-index и с кого изневерява
> жена му …
>
> и да, напълно съм наясно, че това е само една интерпретация на автора на
> събитията около северните потоци, която само бъдещето може да покаже
> доколко е близо до истината.
>
> --
> «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»
Лично на мен такъв тип заяждания с Ивайло са ми вече досадни.

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 by: Nick - Mon, 20 Feb 2023 18:15 UTC

On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 09:53:51 -0800 (PST), ИлиевBG wrote:

> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 7:36:36 PM UTC+2, Nick wrote:

>> Nord Stream Terror Attack: The Plot Thickens

>> Seymour Hersh’s bombshell report on how the United States government
>> blew up the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines in the Baltic Sea last
>> September continues to generate rippling geopolitical waves all across
>> the spectrum.

>> Except, of course, in the parallel bubble of U.S. mainstream media,
>> which has totally ignored it, or in a few select cases, decided to
>> shoot the messenger, dismissing Hersh as a “discredited” journalist, a
>> “blogger”, and a “conspiracy theorist”.

>> това, последното, много познато ми изглежда, къде ли съм го виждал?

>> Old school Moscow-based foreign correspondent John Helmer has gone even
>> further; and what he uncovered may be as incandescent as Sy Hersh’s own
>> narrative.

>> The heart of the matter in Hersh’s report concerns attribution of
>> responsibility for a de facto industrial terror attack. Surprisingly,
>> no CIA; that falls straight on the toxic planning trio of Sullivan,
>> Blinken and Nuland – neoliberal-cons part of the “Biden” combo. And the
>> final green light comes from the Ultimate Decider: the senile,
>> teleprompt-reading President himself. The Norwegians feature as minor
>> helpers.

>> That poses the first serious problem: nowhere in his narrative Hersh
>> refers to MI6, the Poles (government, Navy), the Danes, and even the
>> German government.

>> …

>> The Special Military Operation (SMO) was launched on February 24,
>> almost a year ago. The Nord Stream 1 and 2 blow up happened on
>> September 26. Hersh assures there were “more than nine months of highly
>> secret back and forth debate inside Washington’s national security
>> community about how to ‘sabotage the pipelines’”.

>> So that confirms that the terror attack planning preceded, by months,
>> not only the SMO but, crucially, the letters sent by Moscow to
>> Washington on December 2022, requesting a serious discussion on
>> “indivisibility of security” involving NATO, Russia and the post-Soviet
>> space. The request was met by a dismissive American non-response
>> response.

>> …

>> In a nutshell: the ultimate Mackinderian anathema for the U.S. ruling
>> classes – and that’s bipartisan – is a Germany-Russia alliance,
>> extended to China: that would mean the U.S. expelled from Eurasia, and
>> that conditions everything any American government thinks and does in
>> terms of NATO and Russia.

>> има и още, на различни места в паяжината, някои недостъпни, други - не
>> толкова, като например това:

>> https://strategic-culture.org/news/2023/02/14/nord-stream-terror-
attack-the-plot-thickens/

>> оставям на ивайло да ни информира какъв точно е авторът - дали е
>> обикновен руски агент или нещо по-лошо, какъв е неговият h-index и с
>> кого изневерява жена му …

>> и да, напълно съм наясно, че това е само една интерпретация на автора
>> на събитията около северните потоци, която само бъдещето може да покаже
>> доколко е близо до истината.

> Лично на мен такъв тип заяждания с Ивайло са ми вече досадни.

а лично на мен са ми досадни отговори като долния:

On Thu, 9 Feb 2023 11:22:28 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 11:59:43 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

>> How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline

>> The New York Times called it a “mystery,” but the United States
>> executed a covert sea operation that was kept secret—until now
>> Seymour Hersh

>> Last June, the Navy divers, operating under the cover of a widely
>> publicized mid-summer NATO exercise known as BALTOPS 22, planted the
>> remotely triggered explosives that, three months later, destroyed three
>> of the four Nord Stream pipelines, according to a source with direct
>> knowledge of the operational planning.

>> …

>> https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-
stream

>> оставям на обсебения да ни обясни кой е авторът на публикацията и защо
>> не (трябва да) го чете.

> Сиймор Хърш винаги е бил с анти-американска ориентация (в несломима
> опозиция на американската външна политика), но в далечното минало е бил
> сериозен журналист. В последните 10-15 години е просто обикновен
> конспиративен теоретик. Обърни внимание, че новата му теория, както е
> почти неизменно в последните 10-15 години, се базира на _"неназован
> анонимен източник"_. Ти кога почна да вярваш на такива?

както виждаш, вторият автор много добре го е описал. той няма да коментира
текста по същество, а ще се концентрира върху личността на написалия
публикацията или коментара, също като в онзи лаф за солженицин. да не
говорим колко пъти вече го хващам, че изобщо не чете публикацията, но
въпреки това я коментира.

това не е ли досадно?

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 by: Радостина - Mon, 20 Feb 2023 18:52 UTC

On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 10:15:14 AM UTC-8, Nick wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 09:53:51 -0800 (PST), ИлиевBG wrote:
>
> > On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 7:36:36 PM UTC+2, Nick wrote:
>
> >> Nord Stream Terror Attack: The Plot Thickens
>
> >> Seymour Hersh’s bombshell report on how the United States government
> >> blew up the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines in the Baltic Sea last
> >> September continues to generate rippling geopolitical waves all across
> >> the spectrum.
>
> >> Except, of course, in the parallel bubble of U.S. mainstream media,
> >> which has totally ignored it, or in a few select cases, decided to
> >> shoot the messenger, dismissing Hersh as a “discredited” journalist, a
> >> “blogger”, and a “conspiracy theorist”.
>
> >> това, последното, много познато ми изглежда, къде ли съм го виждал?
>
> >> Old school Moscow-based foreign correspondent John Helmer has gone even
> >> further; and what he uncovered may be as incandescent as Sy Hersh’s own
> >> narrative.
>
> >> The heart of the matter in Hersh’s report concerns attribution of
> >> responsibility for a de facto industrial terror attack. Surprisingly,
> >> no CIA; that falls straight on the toxic planning trio of Sullivan,
> >> Blinken and Nuland – neoliberal-cons part of the “Biden” combo. And the
> >> final green light comes from the Ultimate Decider: the senile,
> >> teleprompt-reading President himself. The Norwegians feature as minor
> >> helpers.
>
> >> That poses the first serious problem: nowhere in his narrative Hersh
> >> refers to MI6, the Poles (government, Navy), the Danes, and even the
> >> German government.
>
> >> …
>
> >> The Special Military Operation (SMO) was launched on February 24,
> >> almost a year ago. The Nord Stream 1 and 2 blow up happened on
> >> September 26. Hersh assures there were “more than nine months of highly
> >> secret back and forth debate inside Washington’s national security
> >> community about how to ‘sabotage the pipelines’”.
>
> >> So that confirms that the terror attack planning preceded, by months,
> >> not only the SMO but, crucially, the letters sent by Moscow to
> >> Washington on December 2022, requesting a serious discussion on
> >> “indivisibility of security” involving NATO, Russia and the post-Soviet
> >> space. The request was met by a dismissive American non-response
> >> response.
>
> >> …
>
> >> In a nutshell: the ultimate Mackinderian anathema for the U.S. ruling
> >> classes – and that’s bipartisan – is a Germany-Russia alliance,
> >> extended to China: that would mean the U.S. expelled from Eurasia, and
> >> that conditions everything any American government thinks and does in
> >> terms of NATO and Russia.
>
> >> има и още, на различни места в паяжината, някои недостъпни, други - не
> >> толкова, като например това:
>
> >> https://strategic-culture.org/news/2023/02/14/nord-stream-terror-
> attack-the-plot-thickens/
>
> >> оставям на ивайло да ни информира какъв точно е авторът - дали е
> >> обикновен руски агент или нещо по-лошо, какъв е неговият h-index и с
> >> кого изневерява жена му …
>
> >> и да, напълно съм наясно, че това е само една интерпретация на автора
> >> на събитията около северните потоци, която само бъдещето може да покаже
> >> доколко е близо до истината.
> > Лично на мен такъв тип заяждания с Ивайло са ми вече досадни.
> а лично на мен са ми досадни отговори като долния:
>
> On Thu, 9 Feb 2023 11:22:28 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 11:59:43 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:
>
> >> How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline
>
> >> The New York Times called it a “mystery,” but the United States
> >> executed a covert sea operation that was kept secret—until now
> >> Seymour Hersh
>
> >> Last June, the Navy divers, operating under the cover of a widely
> >> publicized mid-summer NATO exercise known as BALTOPS 22, planted the
> >> remotely triggered explosives that, three months later, destroyed three
> >> of the four Nord Stream pipelines, according to a source with direct
> >> knowledge of the operational planning.
>
> >> …
>
> >> https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-
> stream
>
> >> оставям на обсебения да ни обясни кой е авторът на публикацията и защо
> >> не (трябва да) го чете.
>
> > Сиймор Хърш винаги е бил с анти-американска ориентация (в несломима
> > опозиция на американската външна политика), но в далечното минало е бил
> > сериозен журналист. В последните 10-15 години е просто обикновен
> > конспиративен теоретик. Обърни внимание, че новата му теория, както е
> > почти неизменно в последните 10-15 години, се базира на _"неназован
> > анонимен източник"_. Ти кога почна да вярваш на такива?
>
> както виждаш, вторият автор много добре го е описал. той няма да коментира
> текста по същество, а ще се концентрира върху личността на написалия
> публикацията или коментара, също като в онзи лаф за солженицин. да не
> говорим колко пъти вече го хващам, че изобщо не чете публикацията, но
> въпреки това я коментира.
>
> това не е ли досадно?
На мен нещо като ми е досадно или неинтересно подминавам, не чета.
А на Ивайло трябва някой да му натрива носа, защото е много зле горкият, нищо не му е ясно.
Кон с капаци. :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCFbd7cBnPI
> --
> «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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 by: Ivaylo Ivanov - Wed, 1 Mar 2023 16:10 UTC

On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 12:36:36 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:
> Nord Stream Terror Attack: The Plot Thickens
>
> Seymour Hersh’s bombshell report on how the United States government blew
> up the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines in the Baltic Sea last September
> continues to generate rippling geopolitical waves all across the spectrum.
>
> Except, of course, in the parallel bubble of U.S. mainstream media, which
> has totally ignored it, or in a few select cases, decided to shoot the
> messenger, dismissing Hersh as a “discredited” journalist, a “blogger”,
> and a “conspiracy theorist”.
>
> това, последното, много познато ми изглежда, къде ли съм го виждал?
>
> Old school Moscow-based foreign correspondent John Helmer has gone even
> further; and what he uncovered may be as incandescent as Sy Hersh’s own
> narrative.
>
> The heart of the matter in Hersh’s report concerns attribution of
> responsibility for a de facto industrial terror attack. Surprisingly, no
> CIA; that falls straight on the toxic planning trio of Sullivan, Blinken
> and Nuland – neoliberal-cons part of the “Biden” combo. And the final
> green light comes from the Ultimate Decider: the senile, teleprompt-
> reading President himself. The Norwegians feature as minor helpers.
>
> That poses the first serious problem: nowhere in his narrative Hersh
> refers to MI6, the Poles (government, Navy), the Danes, and even the
> German government.
>
> …
>
> The Special Military Operation (SMO) was launched on February 24, almost a
> year ago. The Nord Stream 1 and 2 blow up happened on September 26. Hersh
> assures there were “more than nine months of highly secret back and forth
> debate inside Washington’s national security community about how to
> ‘sabotage the pipelines’”.
>
> So that confirms that the terror attack planning preceded, by months, not
> only the SMO but, crucially, the letters sent by Moscow to Washington on
> December 2022, requesting a serious discussion on “indivisibility of
> security” involving NATO, Russia and the post-Soviet space. The request
> was met by a dismissive American non-response response.
>
> …
>
> In a nutshell: the ultimate Mackinderian anathema for the U.S. ruling
> classes – and that’s bipartisan – is a Germany-Russia alliance, extended
> to China: that would mean the U.S. expelled from Eurasia, and that
> conditions everything any American government thinks and does in terms of
> NATO and Russia.
>
> има и още, на различни места в паяжината, някои недостъпни, други - не
> толкова, като например това:
>
> https://strategic-culture.org/news/2023/02/14/nord-stream-terror-attack-the-plot-thickens/
>
> оставям на ивайло да ни информира какъв точно е авторът - дали е обикновен
> руски агент или нещо по-лошо, какъв е неговият h-index и с кого изневерява
> жена му …
>
> и да, напълно съм наясно, че това е само една интерпретация на автора на
> събитията около северните потоци, която само бъдещето може да покаже
> доколко е близо до истината.
>
> --
> «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»
Хайде за Нюланд донякъде разбирам, но само изключително неинформиран или глупав
човек може да определи Съливан и Блинкен като "neoliberal-cons". Предполагам, че е
първото.

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 by: Ivaylo Ivanov - Wed, 1 Mar 2023 16:16 UTC

On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 1:52:26 PM UTC-5, Радостина wrote:

...
> На мен нещо като ми е досадно или неинтересно подминавам, не чета.
> А на Ивайло трябва някой да му натрива носа, защото е много зле горкият, нищо не му е ясно.
> Кон с капаци. :-)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCFbd7cBnPI
> > --
> > «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

James Patrick Anthony Dore (born July 26, 1965) is an American ... conspiracy theorist...

Нищо чудно, че ти харесва. Все пак САЩ са свободна страна и всеки може да се
кефи на каквото си иска.

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 by: Nick - Wed, 1 Mar 2023 16:20 UTC

On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 08:10:55 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 12:36:36 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

>> Nord Stream Terror Attack: The Plot Thickens

>> Seymour Hersh’s bombshell report on how the United States government
>> blew up the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines in the Baltic Sea last
>> September continues to generate rippling geopolitical waves all across
>> the spectrum.

>> Except, of course, in the parallel bubble of U.S. mainstream media,
>> which has totally ignored it, or in a few select cases, decided to
>> shoot the messenger, dismissing Hersh as a “discredited” journalist, a
>> “blogger”, and a “conspiracy theorist”.

>> това, последното, много познато ми изглежда, къде ли съм го виждал?

>> Old school Moscow-based foreign correspondent John Helmer has gone even
>> further; and what he uncovered may be as incandescent as Sy Hersh’s own
>> narrative.

>> The heart of the matter in Hersh’s report concerns attribution of
>> responsibility for a de facto industrial terror attack. Surprisingly,
>> no CIA; that falls straight on the toxic planning trio of Sullivan,
>> Blinken and Nuland – neoliberal-cons part of the “Biden” combo. And the
>> final green light comes from the Ultimate Decider: the senile,
>> teleprompt-reading President himself. The Norwegians feature as minor
>> helpers.

>> That poses the first serious problem: nowhere in his narrative Hersh
>> refers to MI6, the Poles (government, Navy), the Danes, and even the
>> German government.

>> …

>> The Special Military Operation (SMO) was launched on February 24,
>> almost a year ago. The Nord Stream 1 and 2 blow up happened on
>> September 26. Hersh assures there were “more than nine months of highly
>> secret back and forth debate inside Washington’s national security
>> community about how to ‘sabotage the pipelines’”.

>> So that confirms that the terror attack planning preceded, by months,
>> not only the SMO but, crucially, the letters sent by Moscow to
>> Washington on December 2022, requesting a serious discussion on
>> “indivisibility of security” involving NATO, Russia and the post-Soviet
>> space. The request was met by a dismissive American non-response
>> response.

>> …

>> In a nutshell: the ultimate Mackinderian anathema for the U.S. ruling
>> classes – and that’s bipartisan – is a Germany-Russia alliance,
>> extended to China: that would mean the U.S. expelled from Eurasia, and
>> that conditions everything any American government thinks and does in
>> terms of NATO and Russia.

>> има и още, на различни места в паяжината, някои недостъпни, други - не
>> толкова, като например това:

>> https://strategic-culture.org/news/2023/02/14/nord-stream-terror-
attack-the-plot-thickens/

>> оставям на ивайло да ни информира какъв точно е авторът - дали е
>> обикновен руски агент или нещо по-лошо, какъв е неговият h-index и с
>> кого изневерява жена му …

>> и да, напълно съм наясно, че това е само една интерпретация на автора
>> на събитията около северните потоци, която само бъдещето може да покаже
>> доколко е близо до истината.

> Хайде за Нюланд донякъде разбирам, но само изключително неинформиран или
> глупав човек може да определи Съливан и Блинкен като "neoliberal-cons".
> Предполагам, че е първото.

а още по-глупав човек би направил горния коментар.

само за това ли намери да се хванеш? значи другото е вярно 8-)

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 by: Ivaylo Ivanov - Wed, 1 Mar 2023 16:37 UTC

On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 11:20:13 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

...
> само за това ли намери да се хванеш? значи другото е вярно 8-)

Мнението на човек правещ елементарни грешки, като посочената от мен,
не струва и пукната пара. Поне не по тази тема. Може да има облласт,
в която човека е компетентен. Не съм запознат с цялостното му творчество.

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 by: Nick - Wed, 1 Mar 2023 18:26 UTC

On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 08:37:26 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

> On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 11:20:13 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

> ...

>> само за това ли намери да се хванеш? значи другото е вярно 8-)

> Мнението на човек правещ елементарни грешки, като посочената от мен,
> не струва и пукната пара. Поне не по тази тема. Може да има облласт,
> в която човека е компетентен. Не съм запознат с цялостното му
> творчество.

недей, ще ме разплачеш - ти солженицин не си чел, но …

няма ли най-после да промениш подхода си.

ако знаеш колко много приличаш на тези, които много мразиш.

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On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 17:36:34 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

> In a nutshell:

Кой нормален би повярвал в този смешка долу:

> is a Germany-Russia alliance, extended to China: that would
> mean the U.S. expelled from Eurasia,

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 by: Ivaylo Ivanov - Thu, 2 Mar 2023 01:45 UTC

On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 7:37:16 PM UTC-5, chorbalan wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 17:36:34 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:
>
> > In a nutshell:
>
> Кой нормален би повярвал в този смешка долу:
> > is a Germany-Russia alliance, extended to China: that would
> > mean the U.S. expelled from Eurasia,

Това си е стандартна опорка на руската пропаганда от поне 10 години -
Китай, Русия и Гермнаия трябва да си разделят Евразия помежду си.
Нещо като съвременен "пакт Молотов-Рибентроп", но вклюващ и НРК.
В България също е популярна (сред русофилската агитка).

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 by: Nick - Thu, 2 Mar 2023 04:39 UTC

On Thu, 2 Mar 2023 00:37:14 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 17:36:34 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

>> In a nutshell:

> Кой нормален би повярвал в този смешка долу:

>> is a Germany-Russia alliance, extended to China: that would mean the
>> U.S. expelled from Eurasia,

защо си мислиш, че е смешка?

пък и дефиницията за нормален е още по-гъвкава от тази за ваксина.

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 by: Nick - Thu, 2 Mar 2023 04:40 UTC

On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 17:45:47 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

> On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 7:37:16 PM UTC-5, chorbalan wrote:

>> On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 17:36:34 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

>> > In a nutshell:

>> Кой нормален би повярвал в този смешка долу:
>> > is a Germany-Russia alliance, extended to China: that would mean the
>> > U.S. expelled from Eurasia,

> Това си е стандартна опорка на руската пропаганда от поне 10 години -
> Китай, Русия и Гермнаия трябва да си разделят Евразия помежду си. Нещо
> като съвременен "пакт Молотов-Рибентроп", но вклюващ и НРК.
> В България също е популярна (сред русофилската агитка).

хапчетата, ивайло, хапчетата. и да не забравиш специалиста след тях.

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 by: Радостина - Thu, 2 Mar 2023 13:50 UTC

On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 8:16:33 AM UTC-8, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:
> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 1:52:26 PM UTC-5, Радостина wrote:
> ...
> > На мен нещо като ми е досадно или неинтересно подминавам, не чета.
> > А на Ивайло трябва някой да му натрива носа, защото е много зле горкият, нищо не му е ясно.
> > Кон с капаци. :-)
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCFbd7cBnPI
> > > --
> > > «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»
> James Patrick Anthony Dore (born July 26, 1965) is an American ... conspiracy theorist...
> Нищо чудно, че ти харесва. Все пак САЩ са свободна страна и всеки може да се
> кефи на каквото си иска.

Къде съм казала, че го харесвам?! Напротив, никак не го харесвам.
Това не значи че не е прав. Аз и Мъск не харесвам, но понякога казва истини.
Само ти се интересуваш КОЙ го казва. :-) Само ти имаш предрасъдъци и търсиш само праата линия.

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 by: Ivaylo Ivanov - Thu, 2 Mar 2023 15:31 UTC

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:50:45 AM UTC-5, Радостина wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 8:16:33 AM UTC-8, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:
> > On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 1:52:26 PM UTC-5, Радостина wrote:
> > ...
> > > На мен нещо като ми е досадно или неинтересно подминавам, не чета.
> > > А на Ивайло трябва някой да му натрива носа, защото е много зле горкият, нищо не му е ясно.
> > > Кон с капаци. :-)
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCFbd7cBnPI
> > > > --
> > > > «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»
> > James Patrick Anthony Dore (born July 26, 1965) is an American ... conspiracy theorist...
> > Нищо чудно, че ти харесва. Все пак САЩ са свободна страна и всеки може да се
> > кефи на каквото си иска.
> Къде съм казала, че го харесвам?! Напротив, никак не го харесвам.

Със сигурност въпросния клип ти харесва. Иначе защо си го пуснала?

> Това не значи че не е прав. Аз и Мъск не харесвам, но понякога казва истини.
> Само ти се интересуваш КОЙ го казва. :-) Само ти имаш предрасъдъци и търсиш само праата линия.

Само ти не се интересуваш (уж) кой го казва.

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 by: Радостина - Fri, 3 Mar 2023 16:18 UTC

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 7:31:58 AM UTC-8, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:
> On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:50:45 AM UTC-5, Радостина wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 8:16:33 AM UTC-8, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:
> > > On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 1:52:26 PM UTC-5, Радостина wrote:
> > > ...
> > > > На мен нещо като ми е досадно или неинтересно подминавам, не чета.
> > > > А на Ивайло трябва някой да му натрива носа, защото е много зле горкият, нищо не му е ясно.
> > > > Кон с капаци. :-)
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCFbd7cBnPI
> > > > > --
> > > > > «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»
> > > James Patrick Anthony Dore (born July 26, 1965) is an American ... conspiracy theorist...
> > > Нищо чудно, че ти харесва. Все пак САЩ са свободна страна и всеки може да се
> > > кефи на каквото си иска.
> > Къде съм казала, че го харесвам?! Напротив, никак не го харесвам.
> Със сигурност въпросния клип ти харесва. Иначе защо си го пуснала?

Ти си по харесванията, аз съм по истината и фактите.
Днес видях един клип с Рейгън дори се учудих, че излза от неговите уста,
но да, това е законът, който удобно забравихме.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1208505686726701/?s=single_unit

> > Това не значи че не е прав. Аз и Мъск не харесвам, но понякога казва истини.
> > Само ти се интересуваш КОЙ го казва. :-) Само ти имаш предрасъдъци и търсиш само праата линия.
> Само ти не се интересуваш (уж) кой го казва.

Не, всеки разумен нтелгентен човек търс справедлостта и истната. Останалото е за мижитуркте и нагаждачите.

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