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* Re: Teenage grandmaster 'likely cheated' in dozens of matches, top chess websiteLefty Cheaters
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 by: Blueshirt - Wed, 5 Oct 2022 20:48 UTC

Lefty Cheaters wrote:

> In article <b28pjh5srpfk3k4f89ekiqdir85qi9b9ga@4ax.com>
> <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > He had a remote controlled vibrator in his ass.
> >
>
> CNN
>
> Teenage chess grandmaster Hans Niemann �likely cheated� in more
> than 100 online matches, including ones with prize money
> involved, according to an investigation by one of the sport�s
> most popular websites.
>
> The 72-page report by Chess.com was released on Tuesday, a month
> after controversy erupted at a top tournament when the world
> chess champion accused the 19-year-old American of cheating.
>
> [SNIP]
>
> In our view, there is no direct evidence that proves Hans
> cheated at the September 4, 2022 game with Magnus, or proves
> that he has cheated in other OTB games in the past, the report
> said.
>
> https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/05/sport/hans-niemann-chess-cheating-
> allegations-intl-hnk-spt?cid=external-feeds_iluminar_msn

No "direct" evidence... yet. IMHO it's highly unlikely that Hans ONLY
cheated in 100's of online games of Chess, yet never ever in OTB games.
Now that FIDE are looking, who knows what they will uncover...

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 by: Eli Kesef - Thu, 6 Oct 2022 19:21 UTC

Bs"d

When I play on Lichess, I notice that almost a majority of all my opponents have a provisional rating.

I think that Nieman with his crazy histrionics and cheating has lured thousands if not millions to the chess servers.

And let's face it: It is extremely entertaining all the drama.

Looks like the days of Fischer are back. :D

https://tinyurl.com/GM-not-normal

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 by: Blueshirt - Thu, 6 Oct 2022 21:49 UTC

Eli Kesef wrote:

> Bs"d
>
> When I play on Lichess, I notice that almost a majority of all my
> opponents have a provisional rating.

New accounts but not necessarily new users of Lichess. Chess.com has
the same issue, people making multiple and/or new accounts... for
whatever reason.
> I think that Nieman with his crazy histrionics and cheating has lured
> thousands if not millions to the chess servers.

Hans [and his engine] has made a boring to many pastime/board game
mainstream news all over the world. Probably not for the better though.

> And let's face it: It is extremely entertaining all the drama.

Chess and drama are two words that usually don't go together in the
same sentence.

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 by: Eli Kesef - Fri, 7 Oct 2022 09:23 UTC

On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 12:49:02 AM UTC+3, Blueshirt wrote:
> Eli Kesef wrote:
>
> > Bs"d
> >
> > When I play on Lichess, I notice that almost a majority of all my
> > opponents have a provisional rating.
> New accounts but not necessarily new users of Lichess.

Bs"d

Not necessarily new users, but most like they are. Because I have never before seen such a flood of new users on Lichess.

> Chess.com has
> the same issue, people making multiple and/or new accounts... for
> whatever reason.
> > I think that Nieman with his crazy histrionics and cheating has lured
> > thousands if not millions to the chess servers.
> Hans [and his engine] has made a boring to many pastime/board game
> mainstream news all over the world. Probably not for the better though.
> > And let's face it: It is extremely entertaining all the drama.
> Chess and drama are two words that usually don't go together in the
> same sentence.

Now it does go together. Like in the days of Bobby Fischer, he was also a drama queen. He really put chess upon the map.
Or should I say: On the board.

But I do have the idea there are a lot of cheaters around. Low rated players defeat me, they have amazing tactical abilities, and my traps don't work, in situations where they really should have worked, where they always used to work.

Maybe Hans also put cheating on the board.

https://tinyurl.com/W-Hartston

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 by: Blueshirt - Fri, 7 Oct 2022 10:32 UTC

Eli Kesef wrote:
>
> Maybe Hans also put cheating on the board.

Hans has certainly made a name for himself... if not for the right
reasons. He is being talked about be everyone in the game.

This <cough> drama even made the national news here.

And it ain't over yet I'd say!

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 by: The Horny Goat - Sun, 9 Oct 2022 02:25 UTC

On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 10:32:35 -0000 (UTC), "Blueshirt"
<blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

>Eli Kesef wrote:
>>
>> Maybe Hans also put cheating on the board.
>
>Hans has certainly made a name for himself... if not for the right
>reasons. He is being talked about be everyone in the game.
>
>This <cough> drama even made the national news here.
>
>And it ain't over yet I'd say!

I've had my daughter (who lives in England while I'm in Canada) asking
me about it.

She knows I'm "active in chess" so wanted my opinion and also a
summary of what the chess media is saying about it. and that I have
had master level friends analysing the game and reaching the view that
the loss was due more to poor play on Carlsen's part than
super-brilliant play on his opponent's part.

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From: democrat...@latimes.com (Lefty Cheaters)
 by: Lefty Cheaters - Wed, 5 Oct 2022 10:30 UTC

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CNN

Teenage chess grandmaster Hans Niemann �likely cheated� in more
than 100 online matches, including ones with prize money
involved, according to an investigation by one of the sport�s
most popular websites.

The 72-page report by Chess.com was released on Tuesday, a month
after controversy erupted at a top tournament when the world
chess champion accused the 19-year-old American of cheating.

According to the report, first referenced by the Wall Street
Journal, Niemann privately confessed to cheating to the
website�s chief chess officer in 2020, which led to him being
temporarily banned from the platform.

The report said Chess.com closed Niemann�s account in September
given his previous acknowledgments of cheating, suspicions about
his recent play and concerns about the steep, inconsistent rise
in his rank.

�While we don�t doubt that Hans is a talented player, we note
that his results are statistically extraordinary,� the report
said.

Niemann has previously admitted publicly to cheating in online
matches at the ages of 12 and 16 but the investigation alleged
he had cheated more recently.

Niemann has not responded to CNN�s request for comment.

Chess.com has millions of users and hosts more than 10 million
chess games a day, according to its owners. To detect suspected
cheating, the website uses software that flags suspicious moves
by comparing a player�s moves to those suggested by a chess
engine. Fewer than 0.14% of players ever cheat on the site,
according to the report.

Carlsen allegations
The controversy began last month, when world chess champion
Magnus Carlsen accused Niemann of cheating at the $350,000
Sinquefield Cup in St. Louis, Missouri.

�I believe that Niemann has cheated more � and more recently �
than he has publicly admitted,� the 31-year-old Norwegian said
in a statement posted to Twitter.

�His over the board progress has been unusual, and throughout
our game in the Sinquefield Cup I had the impression that he
wasn�t tense or even fully concentrating on the game in critical
positions, while outplaying me as black in a way I think only a
handful of players can do. This game contributed to changing my
perspective.�

Carlsen pulled out of the tournament after losing to Niemann.
Chess� global governing body, FIDE, announced last week that it
is investigating Carlsen�s allegations.

Over the board chess is played face to face, rather than online.
Carlsen did not provide details about how Niemann may have
cheated.

In an interview with the St. Louis Chess Club last month,
Niemann said he had never cheated in over the board games.

�I cheated on random games on Chess.com. I was confronted. I
confessed. And this is the single biggest mistake of my life,�
he said. � And I am completely ashamed. I am telling the world
because I don�t want misrepresentations and I don�t want
rumours. I have never cheated in an over the board game. And
other than when I was 12 years old I have never cheated in a
tournament with prize money.�

According to the Chess.com report, cheating in an over the board
setting could involve �various methods such as: hand signals
from a nearby coach or accessing a phone in the bathroom, a
hidden device in a shoe, or a wire or buzzer taped to the body.�

The report said Chess.com had not typically investigated
cheating in over the board games, but it believed Niemann�s
performances in some live games �merit further investigation
based on the data.�

�In our view, there is no direct evidence that proves Hans
cheated at the September 4, 2022 game with Magnus, or proves
that he has cheated in other OTB games in the past,� the report
said.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/05/sport/hans-niemann-chess-cheating-
allegations-intl-hnk-spt?cid=external-feeds_iluminar_msn

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