Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice
CNN - Nov 28, 2022
-- https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
<bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:

>Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice
>CNN - Nov 28, 2022
>-- https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html

So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get
when you let the government be in charge of essential services. Ever
hear of Flint? (A very blue city in a purple state).

https://eeaonline.eea.state.ma.us/DEP/Boil_Order/
https://www.dcwater.com/whats-going-on/news/dc-water-issues-boil-water-advisory-customers-some-neighborhoods-northeast-dc
https://abc7chicago.com/gold-coast-boil-order-water-advisory-chicago-unsafe-drinking/1404084/
https://indexarticles.com/business/business-wire/update-ladwp-lifts-boil-water-advisory-for-west-los-angeles/

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice
> >CNN - Nov 28, 2022
> >-- https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html
> So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get
> when you let the government be in charge of essential services.

And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not.

bruce bowser <bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice
>>> CNN - Nov 28, 2022
>>> --
>>> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html
>> So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get
>> when you let the government be in charge of essential services.
>
> And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not.
>

Was the power company that caused the problem. And because it is a red
state, then is only reason is reported by you?

Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
> bruce bowser <bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser >> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice >>> CNN - Nov 28, 2022 >>> -->>> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html>> So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get >> when you let the government be in charge of essential services. > > And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not.> Was the power company that caused the problem. And because it is a redstate, then is only reason is reported by you?

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On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 12:00:06 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
<bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice
>> >CNN - Nov 28, 2022
>> >-- https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html
>> So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get
>> when you let the government be in charge of essential services.
>
>And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not.

You are the one who was trying to make a power failure at a water
plant political. Aren't politicians in charge of government?

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:58:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:

>bruce bowser <bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice
>>>> CNN - Nov 28, 2022
>>>> --
>>>> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html
>>> So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get
>>> when you let the government be in charge of essential services.
>>
>> And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not.
>>
>
>Was the power company that caused the problem. And because it is a red
>state, then is only reason is reported by you?

You could just as easily argue, didn't the government anticipate a
power failure at some time or the other? What was the plan?

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:16:29 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:58:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill
> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >bruce bowser <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
> >>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice
> >>>> CNN - Nov 28, 2022
> >>>> --
> >>>> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html
> >>> So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get
> >>> when you let the government be in charge of essential services.
> >>
> >> And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not.
> >>
> >
> >Was the power company that caused the problem. And because it is a red
> >state, then is only reason is reported by you?
> You could just as easily argue, didn't the government anticipate a
> power failure at some time or the other? What was the plan?

===

I wonder how many other water systems lack backup power? No one would build a data center without emergency generators. Why should water systems be different?

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Wrote in message:r
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:16:29 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:58:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill > <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >bruce bowser <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice > >>>> CNN - Nov 28, 2022 > >>>> -- > >>>> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html > >>> So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get > >>> when you let the government be in charge of essential services. > >> > >> And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not. > >> > > > >Was the power company that caused the problem. And because it is a red > >state, then is only reason is reported by you?> You could just as easily argue, didn't the government anticipate a > power failure at some time or the other? What was the plan?===I wonder how many other water systems lack backup power? No one would build a data center without emergen
cy generators. Why should water systems be different?

I know of a Kalifonia outfit that serviced the majority of cable
tV companies throughout the US. None of their regional data
centers had backup power except for rental generators during pay
per view events. Major customers had their own systems, but still
relied on pay per view services by the Kalifonia outfit. The
Kalifonia outfit refurbished and sold or leased Tandem computer
systems to their customers. These systems required grid power to
operate. So now you know of a very large network of systems that
generally didn't universally avail itself of backup power :-)

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On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:
> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>
> Wrote in message:r
> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:16:29 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:58:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill > <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >bruce bowser <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice > >>>> CNN - Nov 28, 2022 > >>>> -- > >>>> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html > >>> So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get > >>> when you let the government be in charge of essential services. > >> > >> And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not. > >> > > > >Was the power company that caused the problem. And because it is a red > >state, then is only reason is reported by you?> You could just as easily argue, didn't the government anticipate a > power failure at some time or the other? What was the plan?===I wonder how many other water systems lack backup power? No one would build a data center without emergency generators. Why should water systems be different?
>
> I know of a Kalifonia outfit that serviced the majority of cable
> tV companies throughout the US. None of their regional data
> centers had backup power except for rental generators during pay
> per view events. Major customers had their own systems, but still
> relied on pay per view services by the Kalifonia outfit. The
> Kalifonia outfit refurbished and sold or leased Tandem computer
> systems to their customers. These systems required grid power to
> operate. So now you know of a very large network of systems that
> generally didn't universally avail itself of backup power :-)
> --

==
That would be totally unacceptable in the financial services world that I come from. Power hits are also tough on the equipment which is why most data center generators are front-ended by UPS systems. Having generators is not a guarantee however. They require constant maintenance and testing under load. Many IT managers on Wall Street found that out the hard way when a major substation went out back in August of 1990.

https://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/14/nyregion/con-ed-fire-knocks-out-power-disrupting-wall-st-and-subways.html

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> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> > Wrote in message:r > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:16:29 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:58:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill > <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >bruce bowser <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice > >>>> CNN - Nov 28, 2022 > >>>> -- > >>>> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html > >>> So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get > >>> when you let the government be in charge of essential services. > >> > >> And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not. > >> > > > >Was the power company that caused the problem. And because it is a red > >state, then is only reason is reported by you?> You could just as easily argue, didn't the government anticipate a > power failure at some time
or the other? What was the plan?===I wonder how many other water systems lack backup power? No one would build a data center without emergency generators. Why should water systems be different? > > I know of a Kalifonia outfit that serviced the majority of cable > tV companies throughout the US. None of their regional data > centers had backup power except for rental generators during pay > per view events. Major customers had their own systems, but still > relied on pay per view services by the Kalifonia outfit. The > Kalifonia outfit refurbished and sold or leased Tandem computer > systems to their customers. These systems required grid power to > operate. So now you know of a very large network of systems that > generally didn't universally avail itself of backup power :-)> -- ===That would be totally unacceptable in the financial services world that I come from. Power hits are also tough on the equipment which is why most data center generators are front-ended by UPS systems. Having generators is not a guarantee however. They require constant maintenance and testing under load. Many IT managers on Wall Street found that out the hard way when a major substation went out
back in August of 1990. https://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/14/nyregion/con-ed-fire-knocks-out-power-disrupting-wall-st-and-subways.html

UPS for main frame computers? I have a hard time imagining such things.
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justan <me@here.com> wrote:
> "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com>
> Wrote in message:r
>> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:>
>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> > Wrote in message:r >
>> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:16:29 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com
>>> wrote:> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:58:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill >
>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >bruce bowser
>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at
>>> 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022
>>> 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: >
>>> >>> > >>>> Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water
>>>>>>>>>>> Notice > >>>> CNN - Nov 28, 2022 > >>>> -- > >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html
>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> when you let the government be in charge of essential services. > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not. > >> > > > >Was the power company that caused the problem. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it is a red > >state, then is only reason is reported by you?> You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could just as easily argue, didn't the government anticipate a > power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure at some time or the other? What was the plan?===I wonder how many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other water systems lack backup power? No one would build a data center
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without emergency generators. Why should water systems be different? > > I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know of a Kalifonia outfit that serviced the majority of cable > tV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> companies throughout the US. None of their regional data > centers had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup power except for rental generators during pay > per view events.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Major customers had their own systems, but still > relied on pay per view
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> services by the Kalifonia outfit. The > Kalifonia outfit refurbished and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sold or leased Tandem computer > systems to their customers. These systems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required grid power to > operate. So now you know of a very large network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of systems that > generally didn't universally avail itself of backup
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power :-)> -- ===That would be totally unacceptable in the financial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> services world that I come from. Power hits are also tough on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equipment which is why most data center generators are front-ended by UPS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> systems. Having generators is not a guarantee however. They require
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constant maintenance and testing under load. Many IT managers on Wall
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Street found that out the hard way when a major substation went out back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in August of 1990.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/14/nyregion/con-ed-fire-knocks-out-power-disrupting-wall-st-and-subways.html
>
> UPS for main frame computers? I have a hard time imagining such things.

Back in the 1980’s, the UPS was a huge bank of batteries to run the system
for maybe 30 minutes. While generator got going.

Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
> justan <me@here.com> wrote:> "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com>> Wrote in message:r>> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> > Wrote in message:r >>> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:16:29 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com>>> wrote:> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:58:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >bruce bowser>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at>>> 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022>>> 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>> > >>>> Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water>>>>>>>>>>> Notice > >>>> CNN - Nov 28, 2022 > >>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> when you let the government be in charge of essential services. > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not. > >> > >
> >Was the power company that caused the problem. And>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it is a red > >state, then is only reason is reported by you?> You>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could just as easily argue, didn't the government anticipate a > power>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure at some time or the other? What was the plan?===I wonder how many>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other water systems lack backup power? No one would build a data center>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without emergency generators. Why should water systems be different? > > I>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know of a Kalifonia outfit that serviced the majority of cable > tV>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> companies throughout the US. None of their regional data > centers had>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup power except for rental generators during pay > per view events.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Major customers had their own systems, but still > relied on pay per view>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> services by the Kalifonia outfit. The > Kalifonia outfit refurbished and>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sold or leased Tandem computer > systems to their customers. These systems>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required grid power to > operate. So now you know of a very large network>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of systems that > generally didn't un
iversally avail itself of backup>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power :-)> -- ===That would be totally unacceptable in the financial>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> services world that I come from. Power hits are also tough on the>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equipment which is why most data center generators are front-ended by UPS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> systems. Having generators is not a guarantee however. They require>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constant maintenance and testing under load. Many IT managers on Wall>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Street found that out the hard way when a major substation went out back>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in August of 1990. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/14/nyregion/con-ed-fire-knocks-out-power-disrupting-wall-st-and-subways.html> > UPS for main frame computers? I have a hard time imagining such things.Back in the 1980’s, the UPS was a huge bank of batteries to run the systemfor maybe 30 minutes. While generator got going.

The 80s. I can see pcs and small minis running on battery for a
-- short time.

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On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:26:16 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
> justan <m...@here.com> wrote:
> > "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>
> > Wrote in message:r
> >> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:>
> >> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> > Wrote in message:r >
> >> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:16:29 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com
> >>> wrote:> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:58:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill >
> >>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >bruce bowser
> >>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at
> >>> 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022
> >>> 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: >
> >>> >>> > >>>> Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water
> >>>>>>>>>>> Notice > >>>> CNN - Nov 28, 2022 > >>>> -- > >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html
> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> when you let the government be in charge of essential services. > >> > >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not. > >> > > > >Was the power company that caused the problem. And
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it is a red > >state, then is only reason is reported by you?> You
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could just as easily argue, didn't the government anticipate a > power
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure at some time or the other? What was the plan?===I wonder how many
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other water systems lack backup power? No one would build a data center
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without emergency generators. Why should water systems be different? > > I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know of a Kalifonia outfit that serviced the majority of cable > tV
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> companies throughout the US. None of their regional data > centers had
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup power except for rental generators during pay > per view events.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Major customers had their own systems, but still > relied on pay per view
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> services by the Kalifonia outfit. The > Kalifonia outfit refurbished and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sold or leased Tandem computer > systems to their customers. These systems
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required grid power to > operate. So now you know of a very large network
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of systems that > generally didn't universally avail itself of backup
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power :-)> -- ===That would be totally unacceptable in the financial
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> services world that I come from. Power hits are also tough on the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equipment which is why most data center generators are front-ended by UPS
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> systems. Having generators is not a guarantee however. They require
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constant maintenance and testing under load. Many IT managers on Wall
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Street found that out the hard way when a major substation went out back
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in August of 1990.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/14/nyregion/con-ed-fire-knocks-out-power-disrupting-wall-st-and-subways.html
> >
> > UPS for main frame computers? I have a hard time imagining such things.
> Back in the 1980’s, the UPS was a huge bank of batteries to run the system
> for maybe 30 minutes. While generator got going.

That's how a true online UPS works. The ones you buy for ~$100 to protect your home stuff are standby UPS's. The commercial power is routed
to the equipment being protected until it detects that power going away, then it switches (really fast) over to batteries until it can either switch back to good power
or the batteries die. An online UPS uses commercial power to keep a battery bank charged, and uses an inverter to take that DC power from the batteries
and convert it to AC power for the protected equipment. That equipment never really sees commercial power directly. There is no switchover time for the
AC power to the equipment, the only switchover is from the failed commercial power feed to a generator during the outage to keep the batteries charged..
The protected equipment never even sees a blip. Online does cost a lot more than standby, of course.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 2:45:14 PM UTC-5, waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:
> > "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>
> > Wrote in message:r
> > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:16:29 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:58:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill > <califbill9...@gmail..com> wrote: > > >bruce bowser <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice > >>>> CNN - Nov 28, 2022 > >>>> -- > >>>> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html > >>> So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get > >>> when you let the government be in charge of essential services. > >> > >> And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not. > >> > > > >Was the power company that caused the problem. And because it is a red > >state, then is only reason is reported by you?> You could just as easily argue, didn't the government anticipate a > power failure at some time or the other? What was the plan?===I wonder how many other water systems lack backup power? No one would build a data center without emergency generators. Why should water systems be different?
> >
> > I know of a Kalifonia outfit that serviced the majority of cable
> > tV companies throughout the US. None of their regional data
> > centers had backup power except for rental generators during pay
> > per view events. Major customers had their own systems, but still
> > relied on pay per view services by the Kalifonia outfit. The
> > Kalifonia outfit refurbished and sold or leased Tandem computer
> > systems to their customers. These systems required grid power to
> > operate. So now you know of a very large network of systems that
> > generally didn't universally avail itself of backup power :-)
> > --
> ===
>
> That would be totally unacceptable in the financial services world that I come from. Power hits are also tough on the equipment which is why most data center generators are front-ended by UPS systems. Having generators is not a guarantee however. They require constant maintenance and testing under load. Many IT managers on Wall Street found that out the hard way when a major substation went out back in August of 1990.
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/14/nyregion/con-ed-fire-knocks-out-power-disrupting-wall-st-and-subways.html

The UPS's I've encountered over the years are tested every week on a schedule. The test consists of the generator starting up, the UPS switching to generator power instead of
commercial power for a few minutes, and then shutting back down and back to commercial power. This was in Public Safety installs and in industries like rail and air. Places
where downtime can cost 100's of thousands minimum, or lives can be lost. Mission critical applications. Delaying a plane at the gate, stopping a train, or getting a first responder
killed is not an option.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:59:18 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:
> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>
> Wrote in message:r
> > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> > Wrote in message:r > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:16:29 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:58:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill > <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >bruce bowser <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice > >>>> CNN - Nov 28, 2022 > >>>> -- > >>>> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html > >>> So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get > >>> when you let the government be in charge of essential services. > >> > >> And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not. > >> > > > >Was the power company that caused the problem. And because it is a red > >state, then is only reason is reported by you?> You could just as easily argue, didn't the government anticipate a > power failure at some time or the other? What was the plan?===I wonder how many other water systems lack backup power? No one would build a data center without emergency generators. Why should water systems be different? > > I know of a Kalifonia outfit that serviced the majority of cable > tV companies throughout the US. None of their regional data > centers had backup power except for rental generators during pay > per view events. Major customers had their own systems, but still > relied on pay per view services by the Kalifonia outfit.. The > Kalifonia outfit refurbished and sold or leased Tandem computer > systems to their customers. These systems required grid power to > operate. So now you know of a very large network of systems that > generally didn't universally avail itself of backup power :-)> -- ===That would be totally unacceptable in the financial services world that I come from. Power hits are also tough on the equipment which is why most data center generators are front-ended by UPS systems. Having generators is not a guarantee however. They require constant maintenance and testing under load. Many IT managers on Wall Street found that out the hard way when a major substation went out back in August of 1990. https://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/14/nyregion/con-ed-fire-knocks-out-power-disrupting-wall-st-and-subways.html
>
> UPS for main frame computers? I have a hard time imagining such things.
> --

==
Mainframe UPS systems have been around for a long time. They require a big battery bank obviously but they only need to supply power for a few minutes while the generators start and get up to speed. Switchover is automatic, and fast enough that the computers don't glitch.

justan <me@here.com> wrote:
> Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
>> justan <me@here.com> wrote:> "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com"
>> <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com>> Wrote in message:r>> On Tuesday, November
>> 29, 2022 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com"
>> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> > Wrote in message:r >>> > On Tuesday, November
>> 29, 2022 at 2:16:29 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com>>> wrote:> On Mon, 28 Nov
>> 2022 23:58:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >
>> > >bruce bowser>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, November
>>>> 28, 2022 at>>> 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> On Mon,
>>>> 28 Nov 2022>>> 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >>>
>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>> > >>>> Houston Closes Schools
>>>> Monday As City Is Under Boil Water>>>>>>>>>>> Notice > >>>> CNN - Nov
>>>> 28, 2022 > >>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > >>> So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> when you let the government be in charge of essential services.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And why? Just because you say so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right? The hell with whether its true
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not. > >> > > > >Was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the power company that caused the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem. And>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a red > >state, then is only reason is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reported by you?> You>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could just as easily argue, didn't the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government anticipate a >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure at some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time or the other? What was the plan?===I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonder how many>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> water systems lack backup power? No one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would build a data
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> center>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emergency generators. Why should water
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> systems be different? > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know of a Kalifonia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outfit that serviced the majority of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cable > tV>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> companies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> throughout the US. None of their regional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data > centers had>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup power except for rental generators
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during pay > per view
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> events.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Major customers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had their own systems, but still > relied
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on pay per view>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> services by the Kalifonia outfit. The >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kalifonia outfit refurbished
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sold or leased
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tandem computer > systems to their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> customers. These
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> systems>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required grid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power to > operate. So now you know of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very large network>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> systems that > generally didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> universally avail itself of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power :-)> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===That would be totally unacceptable in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the financial>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> services
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world that I come from. Power hits are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also tough on the>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equipment which is why most data center
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generators are front-ended by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UPS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> systems. Having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generators is not a guarantee however.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They require>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance and testing under load. Many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IT managers on Wall>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Street found that out the hard way when a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> major substation went out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in August of 1990.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/14/nyregion/con-ed-fire-knocks-out-power-disrupting-wall-st-and-subways.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > UPS for main frame computers? I have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard time imagining such things.Back in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 1980’s, the UPS was a huge bank of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> batteries to run the systemfor maybe 30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minutes. While generator got going.
>
> The 80s. I can see pcs and small minis running on battery for a
> -- short time.
>
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> know it.
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On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 15:59:16 -0500 (EST), justan <me@here.com> wrote:

>"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com>
> Wrote in message:r
>> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> > Wrote in message:r > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:16:29 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:58:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill > <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >bruce bowser <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice > >>>> CNN - Nov 28, 2022 > >>>> -- > >>>> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html > >>> So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get > >>> when you let the government be in charge of essential services. > >> > >> And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not. > >> > > > >Was the power
>company that caused the problem. And because it is a red > >state, then is only reason is reported by you?> You could just as easily argue, didn't the government anticipate a > power failure at some time or the other? What was the plan?===I wonder how many other water systems lack backup power? No one would build a data center without emergency generators. Why should water systems be different? > > I know of a Kalifonia outfit that serviced the majority of cable > tV companies throughout the US. None of their regional data > centers had backup power except for rental generators during pay > per view events. Major customers had their own systems, but still > relied on pay per view services by the Kalifonia outfit. The > Kalifonia outfit refurbished and sold or leased Tandem computer > systems to their customers. These systems required grid power to > operate. So now you know of a very large network of systems that > generally didn't universally avail itself of backup power :-)> --
>===That would be totally unacceptable in the financial services world that I come from. Power hits are also tough on the equipment which is why most data center generators are front-ended by UPS systems. Having generators is not a guarantee however. They require constant maintenance and testing under load. Many IT managers on Wall Street found that out the hard way when a major substation went out back in August of 1990. https://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/14/nyregion/con-ed-fire-knocks-out-power-disrupting-wall-st-and-subways.html
>
>UPS for main frame computers? I have a hard time imagining such things.

We had UPS on all of our water cooled systems here. They were
generally good for about a half hour. That was long enough to find out
if the generator would start and do an orderly shutdown if it
wouldn't. They always started. Some also had huge buried tanks for
chilled water so the UPS didn't need to run the chillers. (at least
not all of them).
There would be a battery room with a hundred or so deep cycle group 27
batteries. When one of our medical service bureau operations got
bought out and got rid of their MP 3084 one of the CEs managed to talk
them out of the UPS and a bunch of batteries. When the county got rid
of their system they couldn't give or sell him their newer batteries
but they let him swap them out one for one. He could run his whole
house, AC and all for several hours and if he was careful with the
loads a day or two.

gfretwell@aol.com Wrote in message:r
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 15:59:16 -0500 (EST), justan <me@here.com> wrote:>"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com>> Wrote in message:r>> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> > Wrote in message:r > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:16:29 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:58:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill > <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >bruce bowser <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice > >>>> CNN - Nov 28, 2022 > >>>> -- > >>>> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html > >>> So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get > >>> when you let the government be in charge of essential services. > >> > >> And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not. > >> > > > >Was the power>company that caused the problem. And because it i
s a red > >state, then is only reason is reported by you?> You could just as easily argue, didn't the government anticipate a > power failure at some time or the other? What was the plan?===I wonder how many other water systems lack backup power? No one would build a data center without emergency generators. Why should water systems be different? > > I know of a Kalifonia outfit that serviced the majority of cable > tV companies throughout the US. None of their regional data > centers had backup power except for rental generators during pay > per view events. Major customers had their own systems, but still > relied on pay per view services by the Kalifonia outfit. The > Kalifonia outfit refurbished and sold or leased Tandem computer > systems to their customers. These systems required grid power to > operate. So now you know of a very large network of systems that > generally didn't universally avail itself of backup power :-)> -->===That would be totally unacceptable in the financial services world that I come from. Power hits are also tough on the equipment which is why most data center generators are front-ended by UPS systems. Having generators is not a guarantee however.
They require constant maintenance and testing under load. Many IT managers on Wall Street found that out the hard way when a major substation went out back in August of 1990. https://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/14/nyregion/con-ed-fire-knocks-out-power-disrupting-wall-st-and-subways.html>>UPS for main frame computers? I have a hard time imagining such things.We had UPS on all of our water cooled systems here. They weregenerally good for about a half hour. That was long enough to find outif the generator would start and do an orderly shutdown if itwouldn't. They always started. Some also had huge buried tanks forchilled water so the UPS didn't need to run the chillers. (at leastnot all of them). There would be a battery room with a hundred or so deep cycle group 27batteries. When one of our medical service bureau operations gotbought out and got rid of their MP 3084 one of the CEs managed to talkthem out of the UPS and a bunch of batteries. When the county got ridof their system they couldn't give or sell him their newer batteriesbut they let him swap them out one for one. He could run his wholehouse, AC and all for several hours and if he was careful with theloads a day or two.

I hope your restoration is going well. What did you have to do to
repair your electrical service? I imagine all the wiring below
the high water mark had to be scrapped along with submerged
appliances and devices.

Energy is certainly essential to our daily lives. What surprises
me is that we have elected greedy senile fools to oversee and
manage it. Shame on us for letting our country fall into such a
fragile state.
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On Fri, 2 Dec 2022 07:34:54 -0500 (EST), justan <me@here.com> wrote:

>gfretwell@aol.com Wrote in message:r
>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 15:59:16 -0500 (EST), justan <me@here.com> wrote:>"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com>> Wrote in message:r>> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> > Wrote in message:r > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:16:29 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:58:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill > <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >bruce bowser <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice > >>>> CNN - Nov 28, 2022 > >>>> -- > >>>> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html > >>> So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get > >>> when you let the government
>be in charge of essential services. > >> > >> And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not. > >> > > > >Was the power>company that caused the problem. And because it is a red > >state, then is only reason is reported by you?> You could just as easily argue, didn't the government anticipate a > power failure at some time or the other? What was the plan?===I wonder how many other water systems lack backup power? No one would build a data center without emergency generators. Why should water systems be different? > > I know of a Kalifonia outfit that serviced the majority of cable > tV companies throughout the US. None of their regional data > centers had backup power except for rental generators during pay > per view events. Major customers had their own systems, but still > relied on pay per view services by the Kalifonia outfit. The > Kalifonia outfit refurbished and sold or leased Tandem computer > systems to their customers. These systems required
>grid power to > operate. So now you know of a very large network of systems that > generally didn't universally avail itself of backup power :-)> -->===That would be totally unacceptable in the financial services world that I come from. Power hits are also tough on the equipment which is why most data center generators are front-ended by UPS systems. Having generators is not a guarantee however. They require constant maintenance and testing under load. Many IT managers on Wall Street found that out the hard way when a major substation went out back in August of 1990. https://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/14/nyregion/con-ed-fire-knocks-out-power-disrupting-wall-st-and-subways.html>>UPS for main frame computers? I have a hard time imagining such things.We had UPS on all of our water cooled systems here. They weregenerally good for about a half hour. That was long enough to find outif the generator would start and do an orderly shutdown if itwouldn't. They always started. Some also
>had huge buried tanks forchilled water so the UPS didn't need to run the chillers. (at leastnot all of them). There would be a battery room with a hundred or so deep cycle group 27batteries. When one of our medical service bureau operations gotbought out and got rid of their MP 3084 one of the CEs managed to talkthem out of the UPS and a bunch of batteries. When the county got ridof their system they couldn't give or sell him their newer batteriesbut they let him swap them out one for one. He could run his wholehouse, AC and all for several hours and if he was careful with theloads a day or two.
>
>I hope your restoration is going well. What did you have to do to
> repair your electrical service? I imagine all the wiring below
> the high water mark had to be scrapped along with submerged
> appliances and devices.
>
>Energy is certainly essential to our daily lives. What surprises
> me is that we have elected greedy senile fools to oversee and
> manage it. Shame on us for letting our country fall into such a
> fragile state.

The carpet guy is here now and that is the biggest obstacle waiting to
get us back to normal.
Yes I did have to replace a shit load of wiring devices but the
switches were above the flood at 48" so they were OK. I bought a
couple of contractor packs of receptacles and I am about done
replacing them. I didn't panic and rip out all the drywall like most
of my neighbors and I am glad I didn't. I had reason to take some out
yesterday for another project that was in the works before the flood
and I don't see a damned thing wrong with it. This is over 2 months
later. No mold, no mildew. The wall was dry. I did get right on it
tho. Less than 24 hours after the flood I had 2 24" exhaust fans going
and we got all the wet stuff out. (Carpet, furniture etc)

https://gfretwell.com/ftp/Drywall%20face%20post%20ian.JPG
https://gfretwell.com/ftp/Dryewall%20post%20ian.JPG

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 08:04:26 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

>On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
><bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice
>>CNN - Nov 28, 2022
>>-- https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html
>
>So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get
>when you let the government be in charge of essential services. Ever
>hear of Flint? (A very blue city in a purple state).
>
>https://eeaonline.eea.state.ma.us/DEP/Boil_Order/
>https://www.dcwater.com/whats-going-on/news/dc-water-issues-boil-water-advisory-customers-some-neighborhoods-northeast-dc
>https://abc7chicago.com/gold-coast-boil-order-water-advisory-chicago-unsafe-drinking/1404084/
>https://indexarticles.com/business/business-wire/update-ladwp-lifts-boil-water-advisory-for-west-los-angeles/

Maybe you should file a complaint asshole.

On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 02:14:07 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

>On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 12:00:06 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
><bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:56:20 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Houston Closes Schools Monday As City Is Under Boil Water Notice
>>> >CNN - Nov 28, 2022
>>> >-- https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/houston-boil-water-notice-schools-closed/index.html
>>> So This is far from just being a red state problem. It is what you get
>>> when you let the government be in charge of essential services.
>>
>>And why? Just because you say so. Right? The hell with whether its true or not.
>
>You are the one who was trying to make a power failure at a water
>plant political. Aren't politicians in charge of government?

Aren't you in charge of stupid?