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* Karol Marx o Polsce w 1967 rokuRussetBulba
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n the first place the policy of Russia is changeless, according to the admission of its official historian, the Muscovite Karamsin. Its methods, its tactics, its manoeuvres may change, but the polar star of its policy – world domination – is a fixed star.

There is but one alternative for Europe. Either Asiatic barbarism, under Muscovite direction, will burst around its head like an avalanche, or else it must re-establish Poland, thus putting twenty million heroes between itself and Asia and gaining a breathing spell for the accomplishment of its social regeneration.

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 by: Agnotolog metodyczny - Sun, 18 Feb 2024 13:17 UTC

niedziela, 18 lutego 2024 o 04:55:54 UTC+1 RussetBulba napisał(a):
> n the first place the policy of Russia is changeless, according to the admission of its official historian, the Muscovite Karamsin. Its methods, its tactics, its manoeuvres may change, but the polar star of its policy – world domination – is a fixed star.
>
> There is but one alternative for Europe. Either Asiatic barbarism, under Muscovite direction, will burst around its head like an avalanche, or else it must re-establish Poland, thus putting twenty million heroes between itself and Asia and gaining a breathing spell for the accomplishment of its social regeneration.

W sumie jeśli patrzeć na 1WW wróżby mr.Marxa nie bardzo się sprawdziły.
Sprawdziły się jeśli patrzeć na 2WW i na czasy obecne.

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 by: Russet Bulba - Sun, 18 Feb 2024 13:45 UTC

On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 9:17:09 AM UTC-4, Agnotolog metodyczny wrote:
> niedziela, 18 lutego 2024 o 04:55:54 UTC+1 RussetBulba napisał(a):
> > n the first place the policy of Russia is changeless, according to the admission of its official historian, the Muscovite Karamsin. Its methods, its tactics, its manoeuvres may change, but the polar star of its policy – world domination – is a fixed star.
> >
> > There is but one alternative for Europe. Either Asiatic barbarism, under Muscovite direction, will burst around its head like an avalanche, or else it must re-establish Poland, thus putting twenty million heroes between itself and Asia and gaining a breathing spell for the accomplishment of its social regeneration.
> W sumie jeśli patrzeć na 1WW wróżby mr.Marxa nie bardzo się sprawdziły.
> Sprawdziły się jeśli patrzeć na 2WW i na czasy obecne..

Moze nie pil kawy i fusow braklo?

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 by: A. Filip - Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:15 UTC

cyrylmetody2014@gmail.com (RussetBulba) pisze:
> In the first place the policy of Russia is changeless, according to the
> admission of its official historian, the Muscovite Karamsin. Its
> methods, its tactics, its manoeuvres may change, but the polar star of
> its policy – world domination – is a fixed star. There is but one
> alternative for Europe. Either Asiatic barbarism, under Muscovite
> direction, will burst around its head like an avalanche, or else it
> must re-establish Poland, thus putting twenty million heroes between
> itself and Asia and gaining a breathing spell for the accomplishment
> of its social regeneration.

0. Marks żył w 20 wieku?
1. Napisał to przed czy po zjednoczeniu Niemiec przez Prusy?
Podzielone Niemcy mogły potrzebować Polski. Zjednoczone Niemcy
Polski nie potrzebowały jako bufora IMHO. Można cytować Bismarcka o
Polsce, Polakach i wspólnocie interesów Niemiec z Rosją.
Tyle że Bismarck nie żył wiecznie a po nim była 1WŚ.

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 by: Russet Bulba - Sun, 18 Feb 2024 16:05 UTC

On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 10:16:04 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
> cyrylme...@gmail.com (RussetBulba) pisze:
> > In the first place the policy of Russia is changeless, according to the
> > admission of its official historian, the Muscovite Karamsin. Its
> > methods, its tactics, its manoeuvres may change, but the polar star of
> > its policy – world domination – is a fixed star. There is but one
> > alternative for Europe. Either Asiatic barbarism, under Muscovite
> > direction, will burst around its head like an avalanche, or else it
> > must re-establish Poland, thus putting twenty million heroes between
> > itself and Asia and gaining a breathing spell for the accomplishment
> > of its social regeneration.
> 0. Marks żył w 20 wieku?
> 1. Napisał to przed czy po zjednoczeniu Niemiec przez Prusy?
> Podzielone Niemcy mogły potrzebować Polski. Zjednoczone Niemcy
> Polski nie potrzebowały jako bufora IMHO. Można cytować Bismarcka o
> Polsce, Polakach i wspólnocie interesów Niemiec z Rosją.
> Tyle że Bismarck nie żył wiecznie a po nim była 1WŚ.
>
> --
> A. Filip
> | Niebezpieczny jest ten, kto nic nie ma do stracenia.
> | (Przysłowie duńskie)

1867. Mowi o Europie a nie o Niemczech i o niezmiennych celach Rosji, co jest jej gleboka cecha cywilizacyjna utrwalona w masowej kulturze calymi wiekami. Prusy i bez zwyciestwa nad Francja byly juz potezne. Ta podstawowa ceche odziedziczyl CCCP jako ze idea kolektywizmu oraz tej globalnej misji dziejowej absolutnie przystawaly do charakteru Rosji. Stad latwosc przejscia z upanstwowionej religii na ideologie i zreszta odwrotnie, jak dzisiaj. Struktura dyktatury takiej czy innej niuchronnie wiodaca do kultu jednostki tj jedynowladztwa na wzor caratu oraz boyarstwa w postaci uzaleznionych od jedynowladcy oligarchow czy tez czlonkow Politbiura z masami polniewolnikow. Tego wzorca historycznego nie udalo sie przelamac, bo nic innego nie dzialalo rownie dobrze.

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