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Subject: Re: Opening traps are killers
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 by: Eli Kesef - Mon, 24 Oct 2022 09:51 UTC

Bs"d

Got another Budapest gambit, but the enemy refused it. He pushed his d pawn to d5 instead of taking my e pawn. So no quick winning of the queen.
I even sacrificed my own queen, but also that was refused by the enemy. For him that was a good idea, because had he taken my queen, he would have gone mate in one move, on move 5.
But also that didn't happen.
Those mates in 5 are very rare. I'm sure I have some here in the miniatures thread, but today it didn't happen.

Still I could do a lot of damage in the opening, and the enemy ended up with a rotten position, and on move 29 he went through the clock.

All is well that ends well.

https://tinyurl.com/BPG-carry-on

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 by: Eli Kesef - Mon, 24 Oct 2022 15:59 UTC

Bs"d

Some just can't seem to grasp the concept of the Fishing Pole Trap.

I always enjoy casting out the bait for the Fishing Pole. Nine times out of ten one doesn't bite, but here someone bit the bait:
https://lichess.org/eB6Kbx3LLEjX

He took my bishop, but recognized that he had to sacrifice his knight to avoid going mate right away. So far so good, I took his knight, he took a pawn from me, and materially we were even. But I had an open h line for my rook to his king, and my bishop was pinning his f pawn, his position was not good.
Then I brought in another knight to attack his bishop, and that was the beginning of the end. His bishop could not move to h6, because then my rook would just knock it off, because my queen pinned his g pawn.
If he had moved his bishop to safety I would have put my queen on the h line, and mate would have been inevitable, so he had to sacrifice a bishop as well. The Fishing Pole did it again!
I took the bishop with my queen, which immediately triggered a queen exchange, which was very good for me because I was a piece ahead.
And with a piece more, the rest was just an exchange and mopping up operation.

The enemy surrendered unconditionally on move 35.

https://tinyurl.com/fishy-pole

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 by: Eli Kesef - Tue, 25 Oct 2022 14:42 UTC

Bs"d

It is a law of nature that things come in clusters. Which things? All things. E.g. world wars, earthquakes, telephone failures, traffic accidents, everything. Keep this rule in mind, and you will see that I am right.
By the way, I did not make this up myself, it is a rule/discovery of chaos theory. Of course sometimes things can show up on their own, but that is the exception, and not the rule.

Look at those exact same Budapest gambits I got in rapid succession. And now I posted above about a Fishing Pole Trap, and now I just got another one. I cast out the bait, and the victim swallowed it, hook, line, and sinker. I guess he had never heard of the Fishing Pole.
Well, he learned something new today. On move 8 I set the trap, on move 9 he fell for it, and on move 12 he was mated: https://lichess.org/tTJLigZjGK6r

He fought like a lion to avoid his fate, but to no avail. Such is the power of the Fishing Pole.

Opening traps are terrible things. Make sure you are well acquainted with them, otherwise you are inviting for disaster.

https://tinyurl.com/fishy-pole

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 by: William Hyde - Thu, 27 Oct 2022 20:53 UTC

On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 10:43:00 AM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> Bs"d
>
> It is a law of nature that things come in clusters. Which things? All things. E.g. world wars, earthquakes, telephone failures, traffic accidents, everything. Keep this rule in mind, and you will see that I am right.
> By the way, I did not make this up myself, it is a rule/discovery of chaos theory. Of course sometimes things can show up on their own, but that is the exception, and not the rule.
>
> Look at those exact same Budapest gambits I got in rapid succession. And now I posted above about a Fishing Pole Trap, and now I just got another one. I cast out the bait, and the victim swallowed it, hook, line, and sinker.. I guess he had never heard of the Fishing Pole.
> Well, he learned something new today. On move 8 I set the trap, on move 9 he fell for it, and on move 12 he was mated: https://lichess.org/tTJLigZjGK6r
>
> He fought like a lion to avoid his fate, but to no avail. Such is the power of the Fishing Pole.
>
> Opening traps are terrible things. Make sure you are well acquainted with them, otherwise you are inviting for disaster.
>
> https://tinyurl.com/fishy-pole

Here's a fishing pole trap for you, played at a high level.

Totally unsound, but it won.

https://lichess.org/Ptt3jsj5/black#0

William Hyde

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 by: Eli Kesef - Fri, 28 Oct 2022 10:42 UTC

On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 11:53:48 PM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 10:43:00 AM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > Bs"d
> >
> > It is a law of nature that things come in clusters. Which things? All things. E.g. world wars, earthquakes, telephone failures, traffic accidents, everything. Keep this rule in mind, and you will see that I am right.
> > By the way, I did not make this up myself, it is a rule/discovery of chaos theory. Of course sometimes things can show up on their own, but that is the exception, and not the rule.
> >
> > Look at those exact same Budapest gambits I got in rapid succession. And now I posted above about a Fishing Pole Trap, and now I just got another one. I cast out the bait, and the victim swallowed it, hook, line, and sinker. I guess he had never heard of the Fishing Pole.
> > Well, he learned something new today. On move 8 I set the trap, on move 9 he fell for it, and on move 12 he was mated: https://lichess.org/tTJLigZjGK6r
> >
> > He fought like a lion to avoid his fate, but to no avail. Such is the power of the Fishing Pole.
> >
> > Opening traps are terrible things. Make sure you are well acquainted with them, otherwise you are inviting for disaster.
> >
> > https://tinyurl.com/fishy-pole
> Here's a fishing pole trap for you, played at a high level.
>
> Totally unsound, but it won.
>
> https://lichess.org/Ptt3jsj5/black#0

Bs"d

Funny game, with high rated players.

But it is not a totally pure Fishing Pole. The mate came later on. He definitely tried for the Fishing Pole, but was thwarted.

I like setting the Fishing Pole trap, because it looks so absurd, when a piece is attacked by a pawn, then protecting that piece with a pawn. Looks totally ridiculous. And that's what I like about it. :D

https://tinyurl.com/fishing-pole2

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 by: Eli Kesef - Fri, 28 Oct 2022 10:54 UTC

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 12:51:03 PM UTC+3, Eli Kesef wrote:
> Bs"d
>
> Got another Budapest gambit, but the enemy refused it. He pushed his d pawn to d5 instead of taking my e pawn. So no quick winning of the queen.
> I even sacrificed my own queen, but also that was refused by the enemy. For him that was a good idea, because had he taken my queen, he would have gone mate in one move, on move 5.
> But also that didn't happen.
> Those mates in 5 are very rare. I'm sure I have some here in the miniatures thread, but today it didn't happen.
>
> Still I could do a lot of damage in the opening, and the enemy ended up with a rotten position, and on move 29 he went through the clock.
>
> All is well that ends well.
>
> https://tinyurl.com/BPG-carry-on

Bs"d

In this post I forgot to give the game, here it is: https://lichess.org/9FemphVBwdUn

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Bs"d

In this game: https://lichess.org/mJOv6Vz24WKd I played the Fishing Pole trap, and the enemy king ended up on the middle of the board, and the enemy surrendered on move 17. :D

https://tinyurl.com/KC-play-trap-gamb

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Subject: Re: Opening traps are killers
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 by: Eli Kesef - Mon, 7 Nov 2022 06:15 UTC

Bs"d

What is a kind of irritating is that even when you end up having black, and even when the enemy starts with 1. d4, you don't always get to play the Budapest.

Unfortunately nowadays a lot of people will go for the London system, and that is very irritating.

So I looked into this youtube "The 17 BEST Traps In The London System" and I found there amongst the 17 traps 3 traps for black.

This of course smacks of racism, only 3 traps for blacks and 14 for whites, but it is what it is, and I had to make do with it.

One of the black traps is where you shove a pawn down the throat of the white bishop, and if the bishop takes it, white loses he bishop.

A very coarse and simple to spot trap, so I was loath to try it, and yes, the first time I played it, the enemy refused the pawn.

HOWEVER, the second and third time the enemy took the pawn and lost a bishop. :D

This is the first game: https://lichess.org/qS2P2SWhfUZ9 The enemy limped on until move 55, and then surrendered.

In the second game https://lichess.org/fWeRG8WAU4ks the enemy limped on until move 51 and then croaked.

That will cure them from that London nonsense.

https://tinyurl.com/more-to-life

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Subject: Re: Opening traps are killers
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 by: William Hyde - Wed, 9 Nov 2022 19:21 UTC

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 1:15:14 AM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
> Bs"d
>
> What is a kind of irritating is that even when you end up having black, and even when the enemy starts with 1. d4, you don't always get to play the Budapest.
>
> Unfortunately nowadays a lot of people will go for the London system, and that is very irritating.
>
> So I looked into this youtube "The 17 BEST Traps In The London System" and I found there amongst the 17 traps 3 traps for black.
>
> This of course smacks of racism, only 3 traps for blacks and 14 for whites, but it is what it is, and I had to make do with it.
>
> One of the black traps is where you shove a pawn down the throat of the white bishop, and if the bishop takes it, white loses he bishop.
>
> A very coarse and simple to spot trap, so I was loath to try it, and yes, the first time I played it, the enemy refused the pawn.
>
> HOWEVER, the second and third time the enemy took the pawn and lost a bishop. :D
>
> This is the first game: https://lichess.org/qS2P2SWhfUZ9 The enemy limped on until move 55, and then surrendered.
>
> In the second game https://lichess.org/fWeRG8WAU4ks the enemy limped on until move 51 and then croaked.
>
> That will cure them from that London nonsense.

Just don't cure them of dropping pieces. If they stopped that what would we do?

William Hyde

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 by: Eli Kesef - Mon, 14 Nov 2022 21:02 UTC

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:21:15 PM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 1:15:14 AM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > Bs"d
> >
> > What is a kind of irritating is that even when you end up having black, and even when the enemy starts with 1. d4, you don't always get to play the Budapest.
> >
> > Unfortunately nowadays a lot of people will go for the London system, and that is very irritating.
> >
> > So I looked into this youtube "The 17 BEST Traps In The London System" and I found there amongst the 17 traps 3 traps for black.
> >
> > This of course smacks of racism, only 3 traps for blacks and 14 for whites, but it is what it is, and I had to make do with it.
> >
> > One of the black traps is where you shove a pawn down the throat of the white bishop, and if the bishop takes it, white loses he bishop.
> >
> > A very coarse and simple to spot trap, so I was loath to try it, and yes, the first time I played it, the enemy refused the pawn.
> >
> > HOWEVER, the second and third time the enemy took the pawn and lost a bishop. :D
> >
> > This is the first game: https://lichess.org/qS2P2SWhfUZ9 The enemy limped on until move 55, and then surrendered.
> >
> > In the second game https://lichess.org/fWeRG8WAU4ks the enemy limped on until move 51 and then croaked.
> >
> > That will cure them from that London nonsense.
> Just don't cure them of dropping pieces. If they stopped that what would we do?

Bs"d

Then we would be in big trouble. Especially because I can't seem to cure myself from dropping pieces left and right... :(

https://tinyurl.com/more-to-life

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 by: Eli Kesef - Mon, 14 Nov 2022 21:15 UTC

Bs"d

Just started another game with the Zuckertort opening; Nf3. The enemy was helpful enough to answer to that d5, on which I replied e4, and we had a trusty old Tennison gambit on the board.

It went reasonably well, on move 9 the enemy was a full castle behind, and on move 12, because of a nasty horsefork, his other castle went of the board.

However, the enemy was one of those die hard guys, and he played on until the mate, which happened on move 47.

All is well that ends well. :)

The only dissonant was that at one point he asked for a take back, but I just send him this link: https://tinyurl.com/pick-pocket and played on.

Thank God for opening traps. HALLELUJAH!!

https://tinyurl.com/Short-kill

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 by: Eli Kesef - Mon, 14 Nov 2022 21:19 UTC

Bs"d

Just started another game with the Zuckertort opening; Nf3. The enemy was helpful enough to answer to that d5, on which I replied e4, and we had a trusty old Tennison gambit on the board: https://lichess.org/1hRAxpYhhhIW

It went reasonably well, on move 9 the enemy was a full castle behind, and on move 12, because of a nasty horsefork, his other castle went of the board.

However, the enemy was one of those die hard guys, and he played on until the mate, which happened on move 47.

All is well that ends well. :)

The only dissonant was that at one point he asked for a take back, but I just send him this link: https://tinyurl.com/pick-pocket and played on.

Thank God for opening traps. HALLELUJAH!!

https://tinyurl.com/Short-kill

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 by: Eli Kesef - Thu, 14 Oct 2021 20:19 UTC

Bs"d

This could have been a sudden death on move 8, if only the enemy would have taken my queen: https://lichess.org/9pfIupxohrku

He didn't take my queen, so I took his queen, on move 8, after which he resigned. Any chance that this would qualify as a "sudden death on move 8"?

He died on move 8. Quite suddenly.

But it wasn't mate.

Difficult, difficult.

Just to be on the safe side I didn't post it under "Sudden Death on move 8". I want to keep that thread pure and undiluted.

https://tinyurl.com/dev-Stafford

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 by: Ken Blake - Thu, 14 Oct 2021 22:35 UTC

On 10/14/2021 1:19 PM, Eli Kesef wrote:
> Bs"d
>
> This could have been a sudden death on move 8, if only the enemy would have taken my queen: https://lichess.org/9pfIupxohrku
>
> He didn't take my queen, so I took his queen, on move 8, after which he resigned. Any chance that this would qualify as a "sudden death on move 8"?
>
> He died on move 8. Quite suddenly.
>
> But it wasn't mate.

What a wonderful game! I'm impressed that with so little experience with
the Stafford Gambit, you played so brilliantly.

--
Ken

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 by: Eli Kesef - Thu, 14 Oct 2021 22:59 UTC

On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 1:35:30 AM UTC+3, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 10/14/2021 1:19 PM, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > Bs"d
> >
> > This could have been a sudden death on move 8, if only the enemy would have taken my queen: https://lichess.org/9pfIupxohrku
> >
> > He didn't take my queen, so I took his queen, on move 8, after which he resigned. Any chance that this would qualify as a "sudden death on move 8"?
> >
> > He died on move 8. Quite suddenly.
> >
> > But it wasn't mate.
> What a wonderful game! I'm impressed that with so little experience with
> the Stafford Gambit, you played so brilliantly.

Bs"d

Thank you Ken. You make me blush.

But it is not me who is so brilliant, all honor belongs to the Stafford gambit.

https://tinyurl.com/Deadly-Staff

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