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 by: Eli Kesef - Tue, 3 Jan 2023 16:24 UTC

Bs"d

So in this game: https://lichess.org/Sx0k19qFvoML I opened as white with the Zuckertort, but I didn't get a Tennison gambit.

So I went for plan B, and that turned out to be the Koltanowski gambit, which has more than 20 traps in it.

It just doesn't happen so often, so therefore I prefer other traps.

But here I got a Koltonowski, and the result was satisfactory. It went totally according to the book, and on move 12 the enemy had to part with a bishop with only 2 pawns in return for it.

The enemy limped on to move 57, one move away from the mate, and only then he surrendered.

Chalk up another one for the good guy!

https://tinyurl.com/kolt-gamb

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Subject: Re: Opening traps are killers
From: wthyde1...@gmail.com (William Hyde)
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 by: William Hyde - Tue, 3 Jan 2023 19:48 UTC

On Tuesday, January 3, 2023 at 11:24:48 AM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
> Bs"d
>
> So in this game: https://lichess.org/Sx0k19qFvoML I opened as white with the Zuckertort, but I didn't get a Tennison gambit.
>
> So I went for plan B, and that turned out to be the Koltanowski gambit, which has more than 20 traps in it.
>
> It just doesn't happen so often, so therefore I prefer other traps.
>
> But here I got a Koltonowski, and the result was satisfactory. It went totally according to the book, and on move 12 the enemy had to part with a bishop with only 2 pawns in return for it.
>
> The enemy limped on to move 57, one move away from the mate, and only then he surrendered.

The Max Lange was always one of my favourites in speed chess, for white or black. If white is not careful, black's strong centre and open g file
can whip up an attack very abruptly. If black is not careful, see above. If both sides avoid elementary errors complex endings can result.

William Hyde

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Subject: Re: Opening traps are killers
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 by: Eli Kesef - Sun, 8 Jan 2023 17:33 UTC

On Tuesday, January 3, 2023 at 9:48:46 PM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 3, 2023 at 11:24:48 AM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > Bs"d
> >
> > So in this game: https://lichess.org/Sx0k19qFvoML I opened as white with the Zuckertort, but I didn't get a Tennison gambit.
> >
> > So I went for plan B, and that turned out to be the Koltanowski gambit, which has more than 20 traps in it.
> >
> > It just doesn't happen so often, so therefore I prefer other traps.
> >
> > But here I got a Koltonowski, and the result was satisfactory. It went totally according to the book, and on move 12 the enemy had to part with a bishop with only 2 pawns in return for it.
> >
> > The enemy limped on to move 57, one move away from the mate, and only then he surrendered.
> The Max Lange was always one of my favourites in speed chess, for white or black. If white is not careful, black's strong centre and open g file
> can whip up an attack very abruptly. If black is not careful, see above. If both sides avoid elementary errors complex endings can result.

Bs"d

I don't like Long Max. Looked at it once, too complicated for me, and there is no chance that suddenly you trap the enemy and mate him or come away with a lot more material, and that is really what I prefer.

I go for traps. I want to go right away for the jugular.

https://tinyurl.com/Q-trap-thank-U

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 by: Eli Kesef - Sun, 8 Jan 2023 17:45 UTC

Bs"d

And here is the next victim of that infantile London trap: https://lichess.org/5mR0PZu3ANnv
I tried very normal to get a Budapest on the board and what happens? The enemy starts playing the London! Oh horror!
So I play c3, he plays e3, and I attack his bishop on f4 with my g pawn. After very long deliberation his bishop takes my pawn. ????
I throw out my queen to a5 with check, and on the next move I take his bishop, and I have a winning game.
He plays on until move 24, but then he throws the towel in the ring.

That very obvious trap keeps on claiming victims. Weird...

But I happily knock 'm off! :D

https://tinyurl.com/pawn-bait

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Subject: Re: Opening traps are killers
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 by: William Hyde - Sun, 8 Jan 2023 22:26 UTC

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 12:33:38 PM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 3, 2023 at 9:48:46 PM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 3, 2023 at 11:24:48 AM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > > Bs"d
> > >
> > > So in this game: https://lichess.org/Sx0k19qFvoML I opened as white with the Zuckertort, but I didn't get a Tennison gambit.
> > >
> > > So I went for plan B, and that turned out to be the Koltanowski gambit, which has more than 20 traps in it.
> > >
> > > It just doesn't happen so often, so therefore I prefer other traps.
> > >
> > > But here I got a Koltonowski, and the result was satisfactory. It went totally according to the book, and on move 12 the enemy had to part with a bishop with only 2 pawns in return for it.
> > >
> > > The enemy limped on to move 57, one move away from the mate, and only then he surrendered.
> > The Max Lange was always one of my favourites in speed chess, for white or black. If white is not careful, black's strong centre and open g file
> > can whip up an attack very abruptly. If black is not careful, see above. If both sides avoid elementary errors complex endings can result.
> Bs"d
>
> I don't like Long Max. Looked at it once, too complicated for me, and there is no chance that suddenly you trap the enemy and mate him or come away with a lot more material, and that is really what I prefer.

Well, you just played it, and won by one of the standard traps in it.

But yes, in this line white has to work very hard to be mated in less than ten.

>
> I go for traps. I want to go right away for the jugular.

As long as people continue to lead with their jugular, you will be happy.

William Hyde

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 by: Eli Kesef - Tue, 10 Jan 2023 21:57 UTC

On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 12:26:38 AM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
> On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 12:33:38 PM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 3, 2023 at 9:48:46 PM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, January 3, 2023 at 11:24:48 AM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > > > Bs"d
> > > >
> > > > So in this game: https://lichess.org/Sx0k19qFvoML I opened as white with the Zuckertort, but I didn't get a Tennison gambit.
> > > >
> > > > So I went for plan B, and that turned out to be the Koltanowski gambit, which has more than 20 traps in it.
> > > >
> > > > It just doesn't happen so often, so therefore I prefer other traps.
> > > >
> > > > But here I got a Koltonowski, and the result was satisfactory. It went totally according to the book, and on move 12 the enemy had to part with a bishop with only 2 pawns in return for it.
> > > >
> > > > The enemy limped on to move 57, one move away from the mate, and only then he surrendered.
> > > The Max Lange was always one of my favourites in speed chess, for white or black. If white is not careful, black's strong centre and open g file
> > > can whip up an attack very abruptly. If black is not careful, see above. If both sides avoid elementary errors complex endings can result.
> > Bs"d
> >
> > I don't like Long Max. Looked at it once, too complicated for me, and there is no chance that suddenly you trap the enemy and mate him or come away with a lot more material, and that is really what I prefer.
> Well, you just played it, and won by one of the standard traps in it.
>
> But yes, in this line white has to work very hard to be mated in less than ten.
> >
> > I go for traps. I want to go right away for the jugular.
> As long as people continue to lead with their jugular, you will be happy.

Bs"d

You forced me to look deeper into the matter, and lo and behold; the Koltanowski gambit is a part of the Max Lange complex. Who could have suspected that?
https://en.wikipedia.org//wiki/Two_Knights_Defense,_Max_Lange_Attack

When you look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chess_openings under C50, then you see they have pages for everything, except for the Koltanowski gambit.

The audacity!

I think I stick to the Koltanowski gambit. I'm used to it, and it sounds more exotic than Max Lange.

https://tinyurl.com/calm-win

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