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* Just because I got this position wrong doesn't mean it's difficultpeps...@gmail.com
+- Re: Just because I got this position wrong doesn't mean it's difficultStick Rice
`- Re: Just because I got this position wrong doesn't mean it'sTimothy Chow

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Subject: Just because I got this position wrong doesn't mean it's difficult
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 by: peps...@gmail.com - Sun, 24 Apr 2022 13:48 UTC

Often, when I make postings claiming that it's difficult to get the action right,
a large part of the reason is that it is ultra-marginal.
Hey, I bet you can't tell the difference between a 0.9999999 take
and a 1.000000001 pass. Well, no shit, Sherlock! Most people can't.

So rest assured that the position below is not at all marginal.
I was confident in my answer OTB, but still wrong.
I'd love to know the correct way to approach such positions.

XGID=----bCC-B---dE-----dbba-AA:0:0:-1:00:0:0:3:0:10
X:eXtremeGammon O:Daniel

Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O | | O O X |
| X O | | O O X |
| X | | O O |
| X | | |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| O | O | |
| O | | X |
| O | | X |
| O | | X X X |
| O | | X X X X O |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 139 O: 163 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 1
X on roll, cube action

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Subject: Re: Just because I got this position wrong doesn't mean it's difficult
From: bananabo...@gmail.com (Stick Rice)
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 by: Stick Rice - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 21:00 UTC

On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 9:48:08 AM UTC-4, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
> Often, when I make postings claiming that it's difficult to get the action right,
> a large part of the reason is that it is ultra-marginal.
> Hey, I bet you can't tell the difference between a 0.9999999 take
> and a 1.000000001 pass. Well, no shit, Sherlock! Most people can't.
>
> So rest assured that the position below is not at all marginal.
> I was confident in my answer OTB, but still wrong.
> I'd love to know the correct way to approach such positions.
>
> XGID=----bCC-B---dE-----dbba-AA:0:0:-1:00:0:0:3:0:10
> X:eXtremeGammon O:Daniel
>
> Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
> +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
> | X O | | O O X |
> | X O | | O O X |
> | X | | O O |
> | X | | |
> | | | |
> | |BAR| |
> | O | O | |
> | O | | X |
> | O | | X |
> | O | | X X X |
> | O | | X X X X O |
> +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
> Pip count X: 139 O: 163 X-O: 0-0
> Cube: 1
> X on roll, cube action

Experience.

Stick

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From: tchow12...@yahoo.com (Timothy Chow)
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Subject: Re: Just because I got this position wrong doesn't mean it's
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 by: Timothy Chow - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 14:17 UTC

On 4/24/2022 9:48 AM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
> XGID=----bCC-B---dE-----dbba-AA:0:0:-1:00:0:0:3:0:10
> X:eXtremeGammon O:Daniel
>
> Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
> +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
> | X O | | O O X |
> | X O | | O O X |
> | X | | O O |
> | X | | |
> | | | |
> | |BAR| |
> | O | O | |
> | O | | X |
> | O | | X |
> | O | | X X X |
> | O | | X X X X O |
> +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
> Pip count X: 139 O: 163 X-O: 0-0
> Cube: 1
> X on roll, cube action

I'd say this is a pass. X's 6-5-4 structure is very strong because
it has both blitzing and priming potential. Other features of note
are that X is 20+ pips up in the race and has a high anchor, making
counterplay difficult.

As compensation, O has made her 5pt (always a significant thing in
a blitz) and her blot is on X's 1pt where it's not as easy to attack.
Also X has only 9 checkers in the zone. But I don't think this is
enough to counteract X's three very significant pluses mentioned above.

---
Tim Chow

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