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(ECNS)--As one of the earliest "globalization" theorists, Martin Albrow has been engaged in sociological studies for more than half a century. He received his Ph.D. from Cambridge University and is now a fellow of the Academy of Social Sciences, Honorary Vice-President of the British Sociological Association and Honorary President of Global China "Academy. Prof. Albrow has shifted his research orientation to China studies in recent years and has published two books on a community of shared future for mankind.

In the latest W.E. Talk, Peng Dawei, chief journalist of China News Service's German branch, talked with Prof. Martin Albrow, who said that we could never go back to the world as it was but the worldwide effort of scientists working on the viruses and developing vaccines is itself a global process and illustrates the advance of globalization.

When the West tries to understand China, it should never bypass the historic foundation of a Chinese social order and the traditions that the Chinese Communist Party has built on, he mentioned. The central control of Chinese society is obviously immensely more effective than its Western counterparts and that makes a huge difference when they combat the pandemic.

Speaking of the "Thucydides Trap" and China's peaceful rise, Prof. Albrow believes that the world should shake off the geopolitical psychology and pay more attention to development of new technologies. He also urges the international society to sit together for dialogues and communication to govern together so that technologies can bring more benefits while risks can be properly controlled.

Here's an excerpt of the dialogue:

Peng Dawei: I want to know what impact the COVID-19 pandemic had on the development of globalization? The question is, will we eventually come back to the world we are familiar with before the pandemic?

Prof. Martin Albrow: Well, the short answer to that is no. We will not, because we never go back to the world as it was. Now, the pandemic itself throws light on that in the sense that worldwide, we have scientists working on the viruses and developing vaccines, exchanging information. This, if you like, is a global process and illustrates the advance of globalization, at least in the sphere of science, technology, and the rest. So the driving force behind what happens in the world today comes not from this underlying pressure, towards increased technical control, not just of disease, but also of climate and increase of weaponry.

Peng Dawei: When I talked with Dr. Martin Jacques last time, he told me that if the West really wants to understand why China has been so successful in fighting the epidemic or pandemic, it should first learn about Confucianism and learn about the relationship between the nation and the society in China. So should the West actually learn something from China, or could have learned something from China?

Prof. Martin Albrow: In a way. Of course I see the Confucian ethic, certainly as a very important aspect of China's old cultural tradition; certainly the two are intimately connected. And I also would say that the practices associated with Confucianism, in particular, and emphasis on learning the ancient books, rising in society through education... those things are still very deep factors, I think, in Chinese society. The West should not forget the fact that the Chinese Communist Party builds on traditions in China, which go back thousands of years, and in particular, that tradition of rising in society through knowledge and education. The Communist Party is also an educational movement, and it foregrounds cultural values, ethical factors, ahead of purely economic factors.

And that's crucial I think for the West to understand. And it does mean that when you respond to something like the pandemic, you actually appeal to a general sense of consensus around social values. So the Party is drawing on China’s tradition. And in that extent, I would agree with Martin Jacques that we should never forget the historic foundation of a Chinese social order.

I would add that what the Communist Party does, in addition to that, provides a very strong driving force from the center. So the central control of Chinese society is obviously immensely more effective (than that of the West), particular with modern technologies and so immensely more effective than it ever could have been in imperial times. And that makes a huge difference."

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On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 6:52:17 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> (ECNS)--As one of the earliest "globalization" theorists, Martin Albrow has been engaged in sociological studies for more than half a century. He received his Ph.D. from Cambridge University and is now a fellow of the Academy of Social Sciences, Honorary Vice-President of the British Sociological Association and Honorary President of Global China "Academy. Prof. Albrow has shifted his research orientation to China studies in recent years and has published two books on a community of shared future for mankind.
>
> In the latest W.E. Talk, Peng Dawei, chief journalist of China News Service's German branch, talked with Prof. Martin Albrow, who said that we could never go back to the world as it was but the worldwide effort of scientists working on the viruses and developing vaccines is itself a global process and illustrates the advance of globalization.
>
> When the West tries to understand China, it should never bypass the historic foundation of a Chinese social order and the traditions that the Chinese Communist Party has built on, he mentioned. The central control of Chinese society is obviously immensely more effective than its Western counterparts and that makes a huge difference when they combat the pandemic.
>
> Speaking of the "Thucydides Trap" and China's peaceful rise, Prof. Albrow believes that the world should shake off the geopolitical psychology and pay more attention to development of new technologies. He also urges the international society to sit together for dialogues and communication to govern together so that technologies can bring more benefits while risks can be properly controlled.
>
> Here's an excerpt of the dialogue:
>
> Peng Dawei: I want to know what impact the COVID-19 pandemic had on the development of globalization? The question is, will we eventually come back to the world we are familiar with before the pandemic?
>
> Prof. Martin Albrow: Well, the short answer to that is no. We will not, because we never go back to the world as it was. Now, the pandemic itself throws light on that in the sense that worldwide, we have scientists working on the viruses and developing vaccines, exchanging information. This, if you like, is a global process and illustrates the advance of globalization, at least in the sphere of science, technology, and the rest. So the driving force behind what happens in the world today comes not from this underlying pressure, towards increased technical control, not just of disease, but also of climate and increase of weaponry.
>
> Peng Dawei: When I talked with Dr. Martin Jacques last time, he told me that if the West really wants to understand why China has been so successful in fighting the epidemic or pandemic, it should first learn about Confucianism and learn about the relationship between the nation and the society in China. So should the West actually learn something from China, or could have learned something from China?
>
> Prof. Martin Albrow: In a way. Of course I see the Confucian ethic, certainly as a very important aspect of China's old cultural tradition; certainly the two are intimately connected. And I also would say that the practices associated with Confucianism, in particular, and emphasis on learning the ancient books, rising in society through education... those things are still very deep factors, I think, in Chinese society. The West should not forget the fact that the Chinese Communist Party builds on traditions in China, which go back thousands of years, and in particular, that tradition of rising in society through knowledge and education. The Communist Party is also an educational movement, and it foregrounds cultural values, ethical factors, ahead of purely economic factors.
>
> And that's crucial I think for the West to understand. And it does mean that when you respond to something like the pandemic, you actually appeal to a general sense of consensus around social values. So the Party is drawing on China’s tradition. And in that extent, I would agree with Martin Jacques that we should never forget the historic foundation of a Chinese social order.
>
> I would add that what the Communist Party does, in addition to that, provides a very strong driving force from the center. So the central control of Chinese society is obviously immensely more effective (than that of the West), particular with modern technologies and so immensely more effective than it ever could have been in imperial times. And that makes a huge difference."
>
> https://www.ecns.cn/news/cns-wire/2022-04-21/detail-ihaxrxye1096255.shtml

"Peng Dawei: If there will be an Asian century, is the West ready for such a century or is the West happy about that?

Prof. Martin Albrow: The West itself, in so far as the West at the moment, seems to cover most of the world. It would absolutely fragment. It won't be regarded as an entity in the way that the Americans would like it to be. Indeed, the current efforts of the American president Biden to create some kind of league of democracies have already verged on the laughable in the sense that basically he seems to want anyone to join it who happens not to like China. It doesn't seem to matter what kind of politics they have, doesn't matter what kind of regime.

I think the idea of an integrated West really is out of date. And from that point of view, Chinese leadership now, I think, is best applied in the global institutions, getting them to focus on global goals, getting them to look at practical projects and setting an example to the world, for instance, in handling global warming and developing solar power and so on."

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On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 2:18:25 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 6:52:17 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > (ECNS)--As one of the earliest "globalization" theorists, Martin Albrow has been engaged in sociological studies for more than half a century. He received his Ph.D. from Cambridge University and is now a fellow of the Academy of Social Sciences, Honorary Vice-President of the British Sociological Association and Honorary President of Global China "Academy. Prof. Albrow has shifted his research orientation to China studies in recent years and has published two books on a community of shared future for mankind.
> >
> > In the latest W.E. Talk, Peng Dawei, chief journalist of China News Service's German branch, talked with Prof. Martin Albrow, who said that we could never go back to the world as it was but the worldwide effort of scientists working on the viruses and developing vaccines is itself a global process and illustrates the advance of globalization.
> >
> > When the West tries to understand China, it should never bypass the historic foundation of a Chinese social order and the traditions that the Chinese Communist Party has built on, he mentioned. The central control of Chinese society is obviously immensely more effective than its Western counterparts and that makes a huge difference when they combat the pandemic.
> >
> > Speaking of the "Thucydides Trap" and China's peaceful rise, Prof. Albrow believes that the world should shake off the geopolitical psychology and pay more attention to development of new technologies. He also urges the international society to sit together for dialogues and communication to govern together so that technologies can bring more benefits while risks can be properly controlled.
> >
> > Here's an excerpt of the dialogue:
> >
> > Peng Dawei: I want to know what impact the COVID-19 pandemic had on the development of globalization? The question is, will we eventually come back to the world we are familiar with before the pandemic?
> >
> > Prof. Martin Albrow: Well, the short answer to that is no. We will not, because we never go back to the world as it was. Now, the pandemic itself throws light on that in the sense that worldwide, we have scientists working on the viruses and developing vaccines, exchanging information. This, if you like, is a global process and illustrates the advance of globalization, at least in the sphere of science, technology, and the rest. So the driving force behind what happens in the world today comes not from this underlying pressure, towards increased technical control, not just of disease, but also of climate and increase of weaponry.
> >
> > Peng Dawei: When I talked with Dr. Martin Jacques last time, he told me that if the West really wants to understand why China has been so successful in fighting the epidemic or pandemic, it should first learn about Confucianism and learn about the relationship between the nation and the society in China. So should the West actually learn something from China, or could have learned something from China?
> >
> > Prof. Martin Albrow: In a way. Of course I see the Confucian ethic, certainly as a very important aspect of China's old cultural tradition; certainly the two are intimately connected. And I also would say that the practices associated with Confucianism, in particular, and emphasis on learning the ancient books, rising in society through education... those things are still very deep factors, I think, in Chinese society. The West should not forget the fact that the Chinese Communist Party builds on traditions in China, which go back thousands of years, and in particular, that tradition of rising in society through knowledge and education. The Communist Party is also an educational movement, and it foregrounds cultural values, ethical factors, ahead of purely economic factors.
> >
> > And that's crucial I think for the West to understand. And it does mean that when you respond to something like the pandemic, you actually appeal to a general sense of consensus around social values. So the Party is drawing on China’s tradition. And in that extent, I would agree with Martin Jacques that we should never forget the historic foundation of a Chinese social order.
> >
> > I would add that what the Communist Party does, in addition to that, provides a very strong driving force from the center. So the central control of Chinese society is obviously immensely more effective (than that of the West), particular with modern technologies and so immensely more effective than it ever could have been in imperial times. And that makes a huge difference."
> >
> > https://www.ecns.cn/news/cns-wire/2022-04-21/detail-ihaxrxye1096255.shtml
> "Peng Dawei: If there will be an Asian century, is the West ready for such a century or is the West happy about that?
>
> Prof. Martin Albrow: The West itself, in so far as the West at the moment, seems to cover most of the world. It would absolutely fragment. It won't be regarded as an entity in the way that the Americans would like it to be. Indeed, the current efforts of the American president Biden to create some kind of league of democracies have already verged on the laughable in the sense that basically he seems to want anyone to join it who happens not to like China. It doesn't seem to matter what kind of politics they have, doesn't matter what kind of regime.
>
> I think the idea of an integrated West really is out of date. And from that point of view, Chinese leadership now, I think, is best applied in the global institutions, getting them to focus on global goals, getting them to look at practical projects and setting an example to the world, for instance, in handling global warming and developing solar power and so on."

Biden is using US leadership in NATO to get more members in other parts of the world to join the NATO group in order to encircle the world against those countries who did not want to be members or enemies to them. By this way, US leadership is NATO is expanded by many times in order to enrich not only military power but also their financial military power also from the military management fees collected from its members.

Seriously, it is like a triad society organisation of a gangster chief automatically elevating itself to higher to highest command post, thereby also increase their protection fees from the increased members. The protection fees by collecting of monthly deployment fees from their deployed forces and renting fees from their lending of deployed weapons and tools and planes will be more than enough to finance their own military purchases at zero cost to themselves.

They will also use their NATO leadership direct members to listen to them and to obey them of their orders in order to let them rough shot and walk over them, like what have done in walking over the demarcation line of north and south Korea with south Korean president looking on from afar. They also want their NATO leadership to walk over all other new members to manage their command and control center like that of their vassal states of South Korea's of South Korean Forces and Japan's of Japan Defense Forces.

Seriously, this is what is going to happen to many countries who are allies to the US and are now prone to the beck- and-call made to them by US. Some countries have to make holy pilgrimage visit and some have make clap hands pleasantry visit, and some countries have to make financial offerings of making big purchases to please whoever in power in new US presidency.

Therefore, NATO is not just an integrated West which Biden of US is trying to achieve, but to also expand to the rest of the countries to further expand its encirclement power to the world.

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