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When the program says Stockfish rating is 3600, what does that mean? From where?

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On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:56:09 PM UTC+2, Rich D wrote:
> When the program says Stockfish rating is 3600, what does that mean? From where?

Bs"d

From the rating system of Chess Master prof dr Arpad Elo.

It means Stockfish is REALLY good, and you don't stand a chance against it.

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 by: Blueshirt - Thu, 2 Feb 2023 22:26 UTC

Eli Kesef wrote:

> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:56:09 PM UTC+2, Rich D wrote:
> > When the program says Stockfish rating is 3600, what does that
> > mean? From where?
>
> From the rating system of Chess Master prof dr Arpad Elo.
>
> It means Stockfish is REALLY good, and you don't stand a chance
> against it.

What about Mittens? Did we have a chance against her/him?!!!

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On February 1, Eli Kesef wrote:
>> When the program says Stockfish rating is 3600, what does that mean? From where?
>
> From the rating system of Chess Master prof dr Arpad Elo.

I mean, what tournaments, what competition?
How does one attain such a rating, when the top class of
players is 2700? It's mathematically impossible.

> It means Stockfish is REALLY good, and you don't stand a chance against it.

It completely misread the Tal endgame brilliancy.
I didn't.

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On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 23:26:15 +0100, "Blueshirt"
<blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

>Eli Kesef wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:56:09 PM UTC+2, Rich D wrote:
>> > When the program says Stockfish rating is 3600, what does that
>> > mean? From where?
>>
>> From the rating system of Chess Master prof dr Arpad Elo.
>>
>> It means Stockfish is REALLY good, and you don't stand a chance
>> against it.
>
>What about Mittens? Did we have a chance against her/him?!!!

Given that Fischer's top rating was 2780 and a 300 pt difference is
supposed to be a 95% chance of victory it means not only that 'fish'
such as you and me don't stand a chance but top GMs don't either.

I'm suspicious about a claimed rating of 3600 but 3000-3200 wouldn't
shock me. A 600 point difference is thought to mean a 10 game match
score would be 8-2 or better.

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On February 4, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>> > When the program says Stockfish rating is 3600, what does that
>>> > mean? From where?
>
>>> From the rating system of Chess Master prof dr Arpad Elo.
>
>>> It means Stockfish is REALLY good, and you don't stand a chance
>>> against it.
>
> Given that Fischer's top rating was 2780 and a 300 pt difference is
> supposed to be a 95% chance of victory it means not only that 'fish'
> such as you and me don't stand a chance but top GMs don't either.
>
> I'm suspicious about a claimed rating of 3600 but 3000-3200 wouldn't
> shock me. A 600 point difference is thought to mean a 10 game match
> score would be 8-2 or better.

Computers are deterministic, are they not? Which means repeatable.
So if you beat Stockfish once, you could do it every time.

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On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 3:37:09 AM UTC+2, Rich D wrote:
> On February 4, The Horny Goat wrote:
> >>> > When the program says Stockfish rating is 3600, what does that
> >>> > mean? From where?
> >
> >>> From the rating system of Chess Master prof dr Arpad Elo.
> >
> >>> It means Stockfish is REALLY good, and you don't stand a chance
> >>> against it.
> >
> > Given that Fischer's top rating was 2780 and a 300 pt difference is
> > supposed to be a 95% chance of victory it means not only that 'fish'
> > such as you and me don't stand a chance but top GMs don't either.
> >
> > I'm suspicious about a claimed rating of 3600 but 3000-3200 wouldn't
> > shock me. A 600 point difference is thought to mean a 10 game match
> > score would be 8-2 or better.
> Computers are deterministic, are they not? Which means repeatable.
> So if you beat Stockfish once, you could do it every time.

Bs"d

Only if you would play the exact same game every time.

But don't forget there is a big luck factor in chess.

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 by: Blueshirt - Sun, 5 Feb 2023 11:38 UTC

The Horny Goat wrote:

> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 23:26:15 +0100, "Blueshirt"
> <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>
> > Eli Kesef wrote:
> >
> >> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:56:09 PM UTC+2, Rich D wrote:
> >> > When the program says Stockfish rating is 3600, what does that
> >> > mean? From where?
> > >
> >> From the rating system of Chess Master prof dr Arpad Elo.
> >>
> >> It means Stockfish is REALLY good, and you don't stand a chance
> >> against it.
> >
> > What about Mittens? Did we have a chance against her/him?!!!
>
> Given that Fischer's top rating was 2780 and a 300 pt difference is
> supposed to be a 95% chance of victory it means not only that 'fish'
> such as you and me don't stand a chance but top GMs don't either.
>
> I'm suspicious about a claimed rating of 3600 but 3000-3200 wouldn't
> shock me. A 600 point difference is thought to mean a 10 game match
> score would be 8-2 or better.

I had no chance against Mittens... despite its very low [official] ELO.
I only played Mittens as everyone was talking about him/her! Top GM's
did struggle too though so I don't feel too bad.

I did beat the ChessGPT bot though! ;-)

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 by: The Horny Goat - Wed, 8 Feb 2023 01:52 UTC

On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 12:38:01 +0100, "Blueshirt"
<blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

>I had no chance against Mittens... despite its very low [official] ELO.
>I only played Mittens as everyone was talking about him/her! Top GM's
>did struggle too though so I don't feel too bad.
>
>I did beat the ChessGPT bot though! ;-)

Not surprised on the first point, was not aware the second even
existed.

Got a link?

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 by: Blueshirt - Wed, 8 Feb 2023 21:58 UTC

The Horny Goat wrote:

> On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 12:38:01 +0100, "Blueshirt"
> <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>
> > I had no chance against Mittens... despite its very low [official]
> > ELO. I only played Mittens as everyone was talking about him/her!
> > Top GM's did struggle too though so I don't feel too bad.
> >
> > I did beat the ChessGPT bot though! ;-)
>
> Not surprised on the first point, was not aware the second even
> existed.
>
> Got a link?

https://www.chess.com/play/computer

All the bots are listed there on the right-hand panel... including two
new NFL theme ones: a Philadelphia bot and a Kansas City bot. (Both
'rated' 1000)

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