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https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/29/covid-deaths-unvaccinated-boosters/
"Unvaccinated people accounted for the overwhelming majority of deaths in the United States throughout much of the coronavirus pandemic. But that has changed in recent months, according to a Washington Post analysis of state and federal data.

"The pandemic’s toll is no longer falling almost exclusively on those who chose not to or could not get shots, with vaccine protection waning over time and the elderly and immunocompromised — who are at greatest risk of succumbing to covid-19, even if vaccinated — having a harder time dodging increasingly contagious strains.

The vaccinated made up 42 percent of fatalities in January and February during the highly contagious omicron variant’s surge, compared with 23 percent of the dead in September, the peak of the delta wave, according to nationwide data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention analyzed by The Post."

(980349 -849521)*.42=54947 vaccinated in America had died Covid during January and February of this year.

Virus invasion and immunodefense of a patient is often a matter of which side can ramp up faster. Omicron is a lot less lethal. But highly infectious means a person could be repeatedly invaded from different sources over a short time.

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 by: bmoore - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 15:06 UTC

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 6:08:16 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/29/covid-deaths-unvaccinated-boosters/
> "Unvaccinated people accounted for the overwhelming majority of deaths in the United States throughout much of the coronavirus pandemic. But that has changed in recent months, according to a Washington Post analysis of state and federal data.
>
> "The pandemic’s toll is no longer falling almost exclusively on those who chose not to or could not get shots, with vaccine protection waning over time and the elderly and immunocompromised — who are at greatest risk of succumbing to covid-19, even if vaccinated — having a harder time dodging increasingly contagious strains.
>
> The vaccinated made up 42 percent of fatalities in January and February during the highly contagious omicron variant’s surge, compared with 23 percent of the dead in September, the peak of the delta wave, according to nationwide data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention analyzed by The Post."
>
> (980349 -849521)*.42=54947 vaccinated in America had died Covid during January and February of this year.
>
> Virus invasion and immunodefense of a patient is often a matter of which side can ramp up faster. Omicron is a lot less lethal. But highly infectious means a person could be repeatedly invaded from different sources over a short time.

There is much human cost from this virus. Look at what is happening in Shanghai right now!

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 by: borie - Sun, 1 May 2022 03:45 UTC

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 9:08:16 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/29/covid-deaths-unvaccinated-boosters/
> "Unvaccinated people accounted for the overwhelming majority of deaths in the United States throughout much of the coronavirus pandemic. But that has changed in recent months, according to a Washington Post analysis of state and federal data.
>
> "The pandemic’s toll is no longer falling almost exclusively on those who chose not to or could not get shots, with vaccine protection waning over time and the elderly and immunocompromised — who are at greatest risk of succumbing to covid-19, even if vaccinated — having a harder time dodging increasingly contagious strains.
>
> The vaccinated made up 42 percent of fatalities in January and February during the highly contagious omicron variant’s surge, compared with 23 percent of the dead in September, the peak of the delta wave, according to nationwide data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention analyzed by The Post."
>
> (980349 -849521)*.42=54947 vaccinated in America had died Covid during January and February of this year.
>
> Virus invasion and immunodefense of a patient is often a matter of which side can ramp up faster. Omicron is a lot less lethal. But highly infectious means a person could be repeatedly invaded from different sources over a short time.

Contagious strains not originated by animals will be a serious concern on costs of human lives and human cost of living with the virus.

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 by: ltlee1 - Sun, 1 May 2022 13:27 UTC

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 9:08:16 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/29/covid-deaths-unvaccinated-boosters/
> "Unvaccinated people accounted for the overwhelming majority of deaths in the United States throughout much of the coronavirus pandemic. But that has changed in recent months, according to a Washington Post analysis of state and federal data.
>
> "The pandemic’s toll is no longer falling almost exclusively on those who chose not to or could not get shots, with vaccine protection waning over time and the elderly and immunocompromised — who are at greatest risk of succumbing to covid-19, even if vaccinated — having a harder time dodging increasingly contagious strains.
>
> The vaccinated made up 42 percent of fatalities in January and February during the highly contagious omicron variant’s surge, compared with 23 percent of the dead in September, the peak of the delta wave, according to nationwide data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention analyzed by The Post."
>
> (980349 -849521)*.42=54947 vaccinated in America had died Covid during January and February of this year.
>
> Virus invasion and immunodefense of a patient is often a matter of which side can ramp up faster. Omicron is a lot less lethal. But highly infectious means a person could be repeatedly invaded from different sources over a short time.

In addition, "Omicron Sublineages Evade Antibodies From Earlier Infections"

"New omicron sublineages show an ability to evade antibodies from earlier
infection and vaccination, a South African laboratory study has found.
The findings could signal a fresh wave of infections by the BA.4 and BA.5
sublineages of the omicron variant that were discovered this month in South Africa. "

https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/omicron-sublineages-can-evade-antibodies-from-earlier-infections

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 by: borie - Sun, 1 May 2022 18:10 UTC

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 9:27:08 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 9:08:16 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/29/covid-deaths-unvaccinated-boosters/
> > "Unvaccinated people accounted for the overwhelming majority of deaths in the United States throughout much of the coronavirus pandemic. But that has changed in recent months, according to a Washington Post analysis of state and federal data.
> >
> > "The pandemic’s toll is no longer falling almost exclusively on those who chose not to or could not get shots, with vaccine protection waning over time and the elderly and immunocompromised — who are at greatest risk of succumbing to covid-19, even if vaccinated — having a harder time dodging increasingly contagious strains.
> >
> > The vaccinated made up 42 percent of fatalities in January and February during the highly contagious omicron variant’s surge, compared with 23 percent of the dead in September, the peak of the delta wave, according to nationwide data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention analyzed by The Post."
> >
> > (980349 -849521)*.42=54947 vaccinated in America had died Covid during January and February of this year.
> >
> > Virus invasion and immunodefense of a patient is often a matter of which side can ramp up faster. Omicron is a lot less lethal. But highly infectious means a person could be repeatedly invaded from different sources over a short time.
> In addition, "Omicron Sublineages Evade Antibodies From Earlier Infections"
>
> "New omicron sublineages show an ability to evade antibodies from earlier
> infection and vaccination, a South African laboratory study has found.
> The findings could signal a fresh wave of infections by the BA.4 and BA.5
> sublineages of the omicron variant that were discovered this month in South Africa. "
>
> https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/omicron-sublineages-can-evade-antibodies-from-earlier-infections

The world is still in the middle of pandemic. With another new wave coming soon, people will have to follow strict measures again. In South Africa, more than 6,000 cases were new variants BA.4 or BA.5. The case figure will rise as more infections have taken place. Strict control measures will be needed again.

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 by: ltlee1 - Sun, 1 May 2022 22:33 UTC

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:10:30 PM UTC-4, borie wrote:
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 9:27:08 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 9:08:16 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/29/covid-deaths-unvaccinated-boosters/
> > > "Unvaccinated people accounted for the overwhelming majority of deaths in the United States throughout much of the coronavirus pandemic. But that has changed in recent months, according to a Washington Post analysis of state and federal data.
> > >
> > > "The pandemic’s toll is no longer falling almost exclusively on those who chose not to or could not get shots, with vaccine protection waning over time and the elderly and immunocompromised — who are at greatest risk of succumbing to covid-19, even if vaccinated — having a harder time dodging increasingly contagious strains.
> > >
> > > The vaccinated made up 42 percent of fatalities in January and February during the highly contagious omicron variant’s surge, compared with 23 percent of the dead in September, the peak of the delta wave, according to nationwide data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention analyzed by The Post."
> > >
> > > (980349 -849521)*.42=54947 vaccinated in America had died Covid during January and February of this year.
> > >
> > > Virus invasion and immunodefense of a patient is often a matter of which side can ramp up faster. Omicron is a lot less lethal. But highly infectious means a person could be repeatedly invaded from different sources over a short time.
> > In addition, "Omicron Sublineages Evade Antibodies From Earlier Infections"
> >
> > "New omicron sublineages show an ability to evade antibodies from earlier
> > infection and vaccination, a South African laboratory study has found.
> > The findings could signal a fresh wave of infections by the BA.4 and BA..5
> > sublineages of the omicron variant that were discovered this month in South Africa. "
> >
> > https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/omicron-sublineages-can-evade-antibodies-from-earlier-infections
> The world is still in the middle of pandemic. With another new wave coming soon, people will have to follow strict measures again. In South Africa, more than 6,000 cases were new variants BA.4 or BA.5. The case figure will rise as more infections have taken place. Strict control measures will be needed again.

Smallpox, a variola virus, has been with us for two plus millennia since 3rd Century. And it was not considered
eradicated until May 8th, 1980 after several failed attempts. At present, we would have to live with the COVID
virus in the foreseeable future.

Concerning HOW to live the virus, no matter how one sees the situation, it is a matter policy choice for individual
government. Nations should try to learn from each other and improve each other by diversity. For whatever reason,
western media keeps criticizing Chinese approach while Western governments have yet to to provide a better
approach.

Democracy is certainly a matter of democratic politics. Unfortunately, how to deal with a contagious deadly virus
is and saving lives is NEVER a matter of democracy and/or democratic politics.

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 by: stoney - Mon, 2 May 2022 08:54 UTC

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 6:33:03 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:10:30 PM UTC-4, borie wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 9:27:08 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 9:08:16 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/29/covid-deaths-unvaccinated-boosters/
> > > > "Unvaccinated people accounted for the overwhelming majority of deaths in the United States throughout much of the coronavirus pandemic. But that has changed in recent months, according to a Washington Post analysis of state and federal data.
> > > >
> > > > "The pandemic’s toll is no longer falling almost exclusively on those who chose not to or could not get shots, with vaccine protection waning over time and the elderly and immunocompromised — who are at greatest risk of succumbing to covid-19, even if vaccinated — having a harder time dodging increasingly contagious strains.
> > > >
> > > > The vaccinated made up 42 percent of fatalities in January and February during the highly contagious omicron variant’s surge, compared with 23 percent of the dead in September, the peak of the delta wave, according to nationwide data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention analyzed by The Post."
> > > >
> > > > (980349 -849521)*.42=54947 vaccinated in America had died Covid during January and February of this year.
> > > >
> > > > Virus invasion and immunodefense of a patient is often a matter of which side can ramp up faster. Omicron is a lot less lethal. But highly infectious means a person could be repeatedly invaded from different sources over a short time.
> > > In addition, "Omicron Sublineages Evade Antibodies From Earlier Infections"
> > >
> > > "New omicron sublineages show an ability to evade antibodies from earlier
> > > infection and vaccination, a South African laboratory study has found..
> > > The findings could signal a fresh wave of infections by the BA.4 and BA.5
> > > sublineages of the omicron variant that were discovered this month in South Africa. "
> > >
> > > https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/omicron-sublineages-can-evade-antibodies-from-earlier-infections
> > The world is still in the middle of pandemic. With another new wave coming soon, people will have to follow strict measures again. In South Africa, more than 6,000 cases were new variants BA.4 or BA.5. The case figure will rise as more infections have taken place. Strict control measures will be needed again.
> Smallpox, a variola virus, has been with us for two plus millennia since 3rd Century. And it was not considered
> eradicated until May 8th, 1980 after several failed attempts. At present, we would have to live with the COVID
> virus in the foreseeable future.
>
> Concerning HOW to live the virus, no matter how one sees the situation, it is a matter policy choice for individual
> government. Nations should try to learn from each other and improve each other by diversity. For whatever reason,
> western media keeps criticizing Chinese approach while Western governments have yet to to provide a better
> approach.
>
> Democracy is certainly a matter of democratic politics. Unfortunately, how to deal with a contagious deadly virus
> is and saving lives is NEVER a matter of democracy and/or democratic politics.

Unfortunately, the number of Covid death in US in the past two months in Jan and Feb was about 54,000 deaths. US democracy does not include the care of whether the people going to die or died from Omicron infection.

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 by: bmoore - Mon, 2 May 2022 17:24 UTC

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 3:33:03 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:10:30 PM UTC-4, borie wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 9:27:08 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 9:08:16 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/29/covid-deaths-unvaccinated-boosters/
> > > > "Unvaccinated people accounted for the overwhelming majority of deaths in the United States throughout much of the coronavirus pandemic. But that has changed in recent months, according to a Washington Post analysis of state and federal data.
> > > >
> > > > "The pandemic’s toll is no longer falling almost exclusively on those who chose not to or could not get shots, with vaccine protection waning over time and the elderly and immunocompromised — who are at greatest risk of succumbing to covid-19, even if vaccinated — having a harder time dodging increasingly contagious strains.
> > > >
> > > > The vaccinated made up 42 percent of fatalities in January and February during the highly contagious omicron variant’s surge, compared with 23 percent of the dead in September, the peak of the delta wave, according to nationwide data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention analyzed by The Post."
> > > >
> > > > (980349 -849521)*.42=54947 vaccinated in America had died Covid during January and February of this year.
> > > >
> > > > Virus invasion and immunodefense of a patient is often a matter of which side can ramp up faster. Omicron is a lot less lethal. But highly infectious means a person could be repeatedly invaded from different sources over a short time.
> > > In addition, "Omicron Sublineages Evade Antibodies From Earlier Infections"
> > >
> > > "New omicron sublineages show an ability to evade antibodies from earlier
> > > infection and vaccination, a South African laboratory study has found..
> > > The findings could signal a fresh wave of infections by the BA.4 and BA.5
> > > sublineages of the omicron variant that were discovered this month in South Africa. "
> > >
> > > https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/omicron-sublineages-can-evade-antibodies-from-earlier-infections
> > The world is still in the middle of pandemic. With another new wave coming soon, people will have to follow strict measures again. In South Africa, more than 6,000 cases were new variants BA.4 or BA.5. The case figure will rise as more infections have taken place. Strict control measures will be needed again.
> Smallpox, a variola virus, has been with us for two plus millennia since 3rd Century. And it was not considered
> eradicated until May 8th, 1980 after several failed attempts. At present, we would have to live with the COVID
> virus in the foreseeable future.
>
> Concerning HOW to live the virus, no matter how one sees the situation, it is a matter policy choice for individual
> government. Nations should try to learn from each other and improve each other by diversity. For whatever reason,
> western media keeps criticizing Chinese approach while Western governments have yet to to provide a better
> approach.
>
"Democracy is certainly a matter of democratic politics. Unfortunately, how to deal with a contagious deadly virus
is and saving lives is NEVER a matter of democracy and/or democratic politics."

Really. So then I guess you went back to China to get vaccinated? Ha ha.

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 by: ltlee1 - Tue, 10 May 2022 12:18 UTC

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 4:54:36 AM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 6:33:03 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:10:30 PM UTC-4, borie wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 9:27:08 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 9:08:16 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/29/covid-deaths-unvaccinated-boosters/
> > > > > "Unvaccinated people accounted for the overwhelming majority of deaths in the United States throughout much of the coronavirus pandemic. But that has changed in recent months, according to a Washington Post analysis of state and federal data.
> > > > >
> > > > > "The pandemic’s toll is no longer falling almost exclusively on those who chose not to or could not get shots, with vaccine protection waning over time and the elderly and immunocompromised — who are at greatest risk of succumbing to covid-19, even if vaccinated — having a harder time dodging increasingly contagious strains.
> > > > >
> > > > > The vaccinated made up 42 percent of fatalities in January and February during the highly contagious omicron variant’s surge, compared with 23 percent of the dead in September, the peak of the delta wave, according to nationwide data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention analyzed by The Post."
> > > > >
> > > > > (980349 -849521)*.42=54947 vaccinated in America had died Covid during January and February of this year.
> > > > >
> > > > > Virus invasion and immunodefense of a patient is often a matter of which side can ramp up faster. Omicron is a lot less lethal. But highly infectious means a person could be repeatedly invaded from different sources over a short time.
> > > > In addition, "Omicron Sublineages Evade Antibodies From Earlier Infections"
> > > >
> > > > "New omicron sublineages show an ability to evade antibodies from earlier
> > > > infection and vaccination, a South African laboratory study has found.
> > > > The findings could signal a fresh wave of infections by the BA.4 and BA.5
> > > > sublineages of the omicron variant that were discovered this month in South Africa. "
> > > >
> > > > https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/omicron-sublineages-can-evade-antibodies-from-earlier-infections
> > > The world is still in the middle of pandemic. With another new wave coming soon, people will have to follow strict measures again. In South Africa, more than 6,000 cases were new variants BA.4 or BA.5. The case figure will rise as more infections have taken place. Strict control measures will be needed again.
> > Smallpox, a variola virus, has been with us for two plus millennia since 3rd Century. And it was not considered
> > eradicated until May 8th, 1980 after several failed attempts. At present, we would have to live with the COVID
> > virus in the foreseeable future.
> >
> > Concerning HOW to live the virus, no matter how one sees the situation, it is a matter policy choice for individual
> > government. Nations should try to learn from each other and improve each other by diversity. For whatever reason,
> > western media keeps criticizing Chinese approach while Western governments have yet to to provide a better
> > approach.
> >
> > Democracy is certainly a matter of democratic politics. Unfortunately, how to deal with a contagious deadly virus
> > is and saving lives is NEVER a matter of democracy and/or democratic politics.

> Unfortunately, the number of Covid death in US in the past two months in Jan and Feb was about 54,000 deaths. US democracy does not include the care of whether the people going to die or died from Omicron infection.

54000 among the vaccinated died of Covid death in Jan and Feb this year. Total Covid death during the same period is about 130,000 per worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ .
Per the same site:
Total death (2020) 367661
Total death (2021) 482859
Total death (Jan - April 2022) 172054

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 by: borie - Sun, 15 May 2022 06:59 UTC

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 6:33:03 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:10:30 PM UTC-4, borie wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 9:27:08 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 9:08:16 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/29/covid-deaths-unvaccinated-boosters/
> > > > "Unvaccinated people accounted for the overwhelming majority of deaths in the United States throughout much of the coronavirus pandemic. But that has changed in recent months, according to a Washington Post analysis of state and federal data.
> > > >
> > > > "The pandemic’s toll is no longer falling almost exclusively on those who chose not to or could not get shots, with vaccine protection waning over time and the elderly and immunocompromised — who are at greatest risk of succumbing to covid-19, even if vaccinated — having a harder time dodging increasingly contagious strains.
> > > >
> > > > The vaccinated made up 42 percent of fatalities in January and February during the highly contagious omicron variant’s surge, compared with 23 percent of the dead in September, the peak of the delta wave, according to nationwide data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention analyzed by The Post."
> > > >
> > > > (980349 -849521)*.42=54947 vaccinated in America had died Covid during January and February of this year.
> > > >
> > > > Virus invasion and immunodefense of a patient is often a matter of which side can ramp up faster. Omicron is a lot less lethal. But highly infectious means a person could be repeatedly invaded from different sources over a short time.
> > > In addition, "Omicron Sublineages Evade Antibodies From Earlier Infections"
> > >
> > > "New omicron sublineages show an ability to evade antibodies from earlier
> > > infection and vaccination, a South African laboratory study has found..
> > > The findings could signal a fresh wave of infections by the BA.4 and BA.5
> > > sublineages of the omicron variant that were discovered this month in South Africa. "
> > >
> > > https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/omicron-sublineages-can-evade-antibodies-from-earlier-infections
> > The world is still in the middle of pandemic. With another new wave coming soon, people will have to follow strict measures again. In South Africa, more than 6,000 cases were new variants BA.4 or BA.5. The case figure will rise as more infections have taken place. Strict control measures will be needed again.
> Smallpox, a variola virus, has been with us for two plus millennia since 3rd Century. And it was not considered
> eradicated until May 8th, 1980 after several failed attempts. At present, we would have to live with the COVID
> virus in the foreseeable future.
>
> Concerning HOW to live the virus, no matter how one sees the situation, it is a matter policy choice for individual
> government. Nations should try to learn from each other and improve each other by diversity. For whatever reason,
> western media keeps criticizing Chinese approach while Western governments have yet to to provide a better
> approach.
>
> Democracy is certainly a matter of democratic politics. Unfortunately, how to deal with a contagious deadly virus
> is and saving lives is NEVER a matter of democracy and/or democratic politics.

America likes to lecture their enemies of the time about everything they did and done. America is busybody in the way that how each country handles their covid crisis is also of their problem when they could not manage themselves. Biden of America lately announced that US has reached a milestone of 1 million covid deaths. If one is to compare against US with other countries, US is way ahead of the crowds in death numbers.

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 by: ltlee1 - Fri, 20 May 2022 15:35 UTC

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 2:59:59 AM UTC-4, borie wrote:
> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 6:33:03 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:10:30 PM UTC-4, borie wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 9:27:08 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 9:08:16 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/29/covid-deaths-unvaccinated-boosters/
> > > > > "Unvaccinated people accounted for the overwhelming majority of deaths in the United States throughout much of the coronavirus pandemic. But that has changed in recent months, according to a Washington Post analysis of state and federal data.
> > > > >
> > > > > "The pandemic’s toll is no longer falling almost exclusively on those who chose not to or could not get shots, with vaccine protection waning over time and the elderly and immunocompromised — who are at greatest risk of succumbing to covid-19, even if vaccinated — having a harder time dodging increasingly contagious strains.
> > > > >
> > > > > The vaccinated made up 42 percent of fatalities in January and February during the highly contagious omicron variant’s surge, compared with 23 percent of the dead in September, the peak of the delta wave, according to nationwide data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention analyzed by The Post."
> > > > >
> > > > > (980349 -849521)*.42=54947 vaccinated in America had died Covid during January and February of this year.
> > > > >
> > > > > Virus invasion and immunodefense of a patient is often a matter of which side can ramp up faster. Omicron is a lot less lethal. But highly infectious means a person could be repeatedly invaded from different sources over a short time.
> > > > In addition, "Omicron Sublineages Evade Antibodies From Earlier Infections"
> > > >
> > > > "New omicron sublineages show an ability to evade antibodies from earlier
> > > > infection and vaccination, a South African laboratory study has found.
> > > > The findings could signal a fresh wave of infections by the BA.4 and BA.5
> > > > sublineages of the omicron variant that were discovered this month in South Africa. "
> > > >
> > > > https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/omicron-sublineages-can-evade-antibodies-from-earlier-infections
> > > The world is still in the middle of pandemic. With another new wave coming soon, people will have to follow strict measures again. In South Africa, more than 6,000 cases were new variants BA.4 or BA.5. The case figure will rise as more infections have taken place. Strict control measures will be needed again.
> > Smallpox, a variola virus, has been with us for two plus millennia since 3rd Century. And it was not considered
> > eradicated until May 8th, 1980 after several failed attempts. At present, we would have to live with the COVID
> > virus in the foreseeable future.
> >
> > Concerning HOW to live the virus, no matter how one sees the situation, it is a matter policy choice for individual
> > government. Nations should try to learn from each other and improve each other by diversity. For whatever reason,
> > western media keeps criticizing Chinese approach while Western governments have yet to to provide a better
> > approach.
> >
> > Democracy is certainly a matter of democratic politics. Unfortunately, how to deal with a contagious deadly virus
> > is and saving lives is NEVER a matter of democracy and/or democratic politics.
> America likes to lecture their enemies of the time about everything they did and done. America is busybody in the way that how each country handles their covid crisis is also of their problem when they could not manage themselves. Biden of America lately announced that US has reached a milestone of 1 million covid deaths. If one is to compare against US with other countries, US is way ahead of the crowds in death numbers.

Actually, negative comments over China's Covid policy is quite fashionable among
English media including Singapore's Straits Times.

Constructive criticism is fine. But then no one is really offering an alternative to Covid
zero.
"Living with the virus"?
What is hell is living with the virus? Is it not a slogan taking the place of a policy?
Is it not "Let us pretend or hope we can do better in the foreseeable future"?
Positive thinking and badly needed sense of normality, of course, could confer
placebo effect to all.

But the results tell a different story. 170000+ had died in the US during the first 4 months.
If China fares like the US, it means 680000+ would die during the same period.

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On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 8:35:40 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 2:59:59 AM UTC-4, borie wrote:
> > On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 6:33:03 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:10:30 PM UTC-4, borie wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 9:27:08 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 9:08:16 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/29/covid-deaths-unvaccinated-boosters/
> > > > > > "Unvaccinated people accounted for the overwhelming majority of deaths in the United States throughout much of the coronavirus pandemic. But that has changed in recent months, according to a Washington Post analysis of state and federal data.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The pandemic’s toll is no longer falling almost exclusively on those who chose not to or could not get shots, with vaccine protection waning over time and the elderly and immunocompromised — who are at greatest risk of succumbing to covid-19, even if vaccinated — having a harder time dodging increasingly contagious strains.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The vaccinated made up 42 percent of fatalities in January and February during the highly contagious omicron variant’s surge, compared with 23 percent of the dead in September, the peak of the delta wave, according to nationwide data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention analyzed by The Post."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (980349 -849521)*.42=54947 vaccinated in America had died Covid during January and February of this year.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Virus invasion and immunodefense of a patient is often a matter of which side can ramp up faster. Omicron is a lot less lethal. But highly infectious means a person could be repeatedly invaded from different sources over a short time.
> > > > > In addition, "Omicron Sublineages Evade Antibodies From Earlier Infections"
> > > > >
> > > > > "New omicron sublineages show an ability to evade antibodies from earlier
> > > > > infection and vaccination, a South African laboratory study has found.
> > > > > The findings could signal a fresh wave of infections by the BA.4 and BA.5
> > > > > sublineages of the omicron variant that were discovered this month in South Africa. "
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/omicron-sublineages-can-evade-antibodies-from-earlier-infections
> > > > The world is still in the middle of pandemic. With another new wave coming soon, people will have to follow strict measures again. In South Africa, more than 6,000 cases were new variants BA.4 or BA.5. The case figure will rise as more infections have taken place. Strict control measures will be needed again.
> > > Smallpox, a variola virus, has been with us for two plus millennia since 3rd Century. And it was not considered
> > > eradicated until May 8th, 1980 after several failed attempts. At present, we would have to live with the COVID
> > > virus in the foreseeable future.
> > >
> > > Concerning HOW to live the virus, no matter how one sees the situation, it is a matter policy choice for individual
> > > government. Nations should try to learn from each other and improve each other by diversity. For whatever reason,
> > > western media keeps criticizing Chinese approach while Western governments have yet to to provide a better
> > > approach.
> > >
> > > Democracy is certainly a matter of democratic politics. Unfortunately, how to deal with a contagious deadly virus
> > > is and saving lives is NEVER a matter of democracy and/or democratic politics.
> > America likes to lecture their enemies of the time about everything they did and done. America is busybody in the way that how each country handles their covid crisis is also of their problem when they could not manage themselves. Biden of America lately announced that US has reached a milestone of 1 million covid deaths. If one is to compare against US with other countries, US is way ahead of the crowds in death numbers.
> Actually, negative comments over China's Covid policy is quite fashionable among
> English media including Singapore's Straits Times.
>
> Constructive criticism is fine. But then no one is really offering an alternative to Covid
> zero.

The PRC's heavy-handed approach has saved lives, but at what cost? A lot of what China's government does is for show, not truly for the people.

Sorry, but perception is not reality.

> "Living with the virus"?
> What is hell is living with the virus? Is it not a slogan taking the place of a policy?
> Is it not "Let us pretend or hope we can do better in the foreseeable future"?
> Positive thinking and badly needed sense of normality, of course, could confer
> placebo effect to all.
>
> But the results tell a different story. 170000+ had died in the US during the first 4 months.
> If China fares like the US, it means 680000+ would die during the same period.

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 by: stoney - Sat, 21 May 2022 03:22 UTC

On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 11:35:40 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 2:59:59 AM UTC-4, borie wrote:
> > On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 6:33:03 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:10:30 PM UTC-4, borie wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 9:27:08 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 9:08:16 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/29/covid-deaths-unvaccinated-boosters/
> > > > > > "Unvaccinated people accounted for the overwhelming majority of deaths in the United States throughout much of the coronavirus pandemic. But that has changed in recent months, according to a Washington Post analysis of state and federal data.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The pandemic’s toll is no longer falling almost exclusively on those who chose not to or could not get shots, with vaccine protection waning over time and the elderly and immunocompromised — who are at greatest risk of succumbing to covid-19, even if vaccinated — having a harder time dodging increasingly contagious strains.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The vaccinated made up 42 percent of fatalities in January and February during the highly contagious omicron variant’s surge, compared with 23 percent of the dead in September, the peak of the delta wave, according to nationwide data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention analyzed by The Post."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (980349 -849521)*.42=54947 vaccinated in America had died Covid during January and February of this year.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Virus invasion and immunodefense of a patient is often a matter of which side can ramp up faster. Omicron is a lot less lethal. But highly infectious means a person could be repeatedly invaded from different sources over a short time.
> > > > > In addition, "Omicron Sublineages Evade Antibodies From Earlier Infections"
> > > > >
> > > > > "New omicron sublineages show an ability to evade antibodies from earlier
> > > > > infection and vaccination, a South African laboratory study has found.
> > > > > The findings could signal a fresh wave of infections by the BA.4 and BA.5
> > > > > sublineages of the omicron variant that were discovered this month in South Africa. "
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/omicron-sublineages-can-evade-antibodies-from-earlier-infections
> > > > The world is still in the middle of pandemic. With another new wave coming soon, people will have to follow strict measures again. In South Africa, more than 6,000 cases were new variants BA.4 or BA.5. The case figure will rise as more infections have taken place. Strict control measures will be needed again.
> > > Smallpox, a variola virus, has been with us for two plus millennia since 3rd Century. And it was not considered
> > > eradicated until May 8th, 1980 after several failed attempts. At present, we would have to live with the COVID
> > > virus in the foreseeable future.
> > >
> > > Concerning HOW to live the virus, no matter how one sees the situation, it is a matter policy choice for individual
> > > government. Nations should try to learn from each other and improve each other by diversity. For whatever reason,
> > > western media keeps criticizing Chinese approach while Western governments have yet to to provide a better
> > > approach.
> > >
> > > Democracy is certainly a matter of democratic politics. Unfortunately, how to deal with a contagious deadly virus
> > > is and saving lives is NEVER a matter of democracy and/or democratic politics.
> > America likes to lecture their enemies of the time about everything they did and done. America is busybody in the way that how each country handles their covid crisis is also of their problem when they could not manage themselves. Biden of America lately announced that US has reached a milestone of 1 million covid deaths. If one is to compare against US with other countries, US is way ahead of the crowds in death numbers.
> Actually, negative comments over China's Covid policy is quite fashionable among
> English media including Singapore's Straits Times.
>
> Constructive criticism is fine. But then no one is really offering an alternative to Covid
> zero.
> "Living with the virus"?
> What is hell is living with the virus? Is it not a slogan taking the place of a policy?
> Is it not "Let us pretend or hope we can do better in the foreseeable future"?
> Positive thinking and badly needed sense of normality, of course, could confer
> placebo effect to all.
>
> But the results tell a different story. 170000+ had died in the US during the first 4 months.
> If China fares like the US, it means 680000+ would die during the same period.

In the English media, one can take a look at who are the editors and chief executives and the people in the board. One can also see over time, what kind of editors will write to their own kind of stuffs and leanings.

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On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 11:35:40 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 2:59:59 AM UTC-4, borie wrote:
> > On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 6:33:03 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:10:30 PM UTC-4, borie wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 9:27:08 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 9:08:16 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/29/covid-deaths-unvaccinated-boosters/
> > > > > > "Unvaccinated people accounted for the overwhelming majority of deaths in the United States throughout much of the coronavirus pandemic. But that has changed in recent months, according to a Washington Post analysis of state and federal data.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The pandemic’s toll is no longer falling almost exclusively on those who chose not to or could not get shots, with vaccine protection waning over time and the elderly and immunocompromised — who are at greatest risk of succumbing to covid-19, even if vaccinated — having a harder time dodging increasingly contagious strains.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The vaccinated made up 42 percent of fatalities in January and February during the highly contagious omicron variant’s surge, compared with 23 percent of the dead in September, the peak of the delta wave, according to nationwide data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention analyzed by The Post."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (980349 -849521)*.42=54947 vaccinated in America had died Covid during January and February of this year.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Virus invasion and immunodefense of a patient is often a matter of which side can ramp up faster. Omicron is a lot less lethal. But highly infectious means a person could be repeatedly invaded from different sources over a short time.
> > > > > In addition, "Omicron Sublineages Evade Antibodies From Earlier Infections"
> > > > >
> > > > > "New omicron sublineages show an ability to evade antibodies from earlier
> > > > > infection and vaccination, a South African laboratory study has found.
> > > > > The findings could signal a fresh wave of infections by the BA.4 and BA.5
> > > > > sublineages of the omicron variant that were discovered this month in South Africa. "
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/omicron-sublineages-can-evade-antibodies-from-earlier-infections
> > > > The world is still in the middle of pandemic. With another new wave coming soon, people will have to follow strict measures again. In South Africa, more than 6,000 cases were new variants BA.4 or BA.5. The case figure will rise as more infections have taken place. Strict control measures will be needed again.
> > > Smallpox, a variola virus, has been with us for two plus millennia since 3rd Century. And it was not considered
> > > eradicated until May 8th, 1980 after several failed attempts. At present, we would have to live with the COVID
> > > virus in the foreseeable future.
> > >
> > > Concerning HOW to live the virus, no matter how one sees the situation, it is a matter policy choice for individual
> > > government. Nations should try to learn from each other and improve each other by diversity. For whatever reason,
> > > western media keeps criticizing Chinese approach while Western governments have yet to to provide a better
> > > approach.
> > >
> > > Democracy is certainly a matter of democratic politics. Unfortunately, how to deal with a contagious deadly virus
> > > is and saving lives is NEVER a matter of democracy and/or democratic politics.
> > America likes to lecture their enemies of the time about everything they did and done. America is busybody in the way that how each country handles their covid crisis is also of their problem when they could not manage themselves. Biden of America lately announced that US has reached a milestone of 1 million covid deaths. If one is to compare against US with other countries, US is way ahead of the crowds in death numbers.
> Actually, negative comments over China's Covid policy is quite fashionable among
> English media including Singapore's Straits Times.
>
> Constructive criticism is fine. But then no one is really offering an alternative to Covid
> zero.
> "Living with the virus"?
> What is hell is living with the virus? Is it not a slogan taking the place of a policy?
> Is it not "Let us pretend or hope we can do better in the foreseeable future"?
> Positive thinking and badly needed sense of normality, of course, could confer
> placebo effect to all.
>
> But the results tell a different story. 170000+ had died in the US during the first 4 months.
> If China fares like the US, it means 680000+ would die during the same period.

A lot of journalists and people in the media don't write constructive criticism, and hence they don't even know how to think and write constructive alternative, too.

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On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 11:35:40 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 2:59:59 AM UTC-4, borie wrote:
> > On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 6:33:03 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:10:30 PM UTC-4, borie wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 9:27:08 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 9:08:16 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/29/covid-deaths-unvaccinated-boosters/
> > > > > > "Unvaccinated people accounted for the overwhelming majority of deaths in the United States throughout much of the coronavirus pandemic. But that has changed in recent months, according to a Washington Post analysis of state and federal data.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The pandemic’s toll is no longer falling almost exclusively on those who chose not to or could not get shots, with vaccine protection waning over time and the elderly and immunocompromised — who are at greatest risk of succumbing to covid-19, even if vaccinated — having a harder time dodging increasingly contagious strains.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The vaccinated made up 42 percent of fatalities in January and February during the highly contagious omicron variant’s surge, compared with 23 percent of the dead in September, the peak of the delta wave, according to nationwide data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention analyzed by The Post."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (980349 -849521)*.42=54947 vaccinated in America had died Covid during January and February of this year.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Virus invasion and immunodefense of a patient is often a matter of which side can ramp up faster. Omicron is a lot less lethal. But highly infectious means a person could be repeatedly invaded from different sources over a short time.
> > > > > In addition, "Omicron Sublineages Evade Antibodies From Earlier Infections"
> > > > >
> > > > > "New omicron sublineages show an ability to evade antibodies from earlier
> > > > > infection and vaccination, a South African laboratory study has found.
> > > > > The findings could signal a fresh wave of infections by the BA.4 and BA.5
> > > > > sublineages of the omicron variant that were discovered this month in South Africa. "
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/omicron-sublineages-can-evade-antibodies-from-earlier-infections
> > > > The world is still in the middle of pandemic. With another new wave coming soon, people will have to follow strict measures again. In South Africa, more than 6,000 cases were new variants BA.4 or BA.5. The case figure will rise as more infections have taken place. Strict control measures will be needed again.
> > > Smallpox, a variola virus, has been with us for two plus millennia since 3rd Century. And it was not considered
> > > eradicated until May 8th, 1980 after several failed attempts. At present, we would have to live with the COVID
> > > virus in the foreseeable future.
> > >
> > > Concerning HOW to live the virus, no matter how one sees the situation, it is a matter policy choice for individual
> > > government. Nations should try to learn from each other and improve each other by diversity. For whatever reason,
> > > western media keeps criticizing Chinese approach while Western governments have yet to to provide a better
> > > approach.
> > >
> > > Democracy is certainly a matter of democratic politics. Unfortunately, how to deal with a contagious deadly virus
> > > is and saving lives is NEVER a matter of democracy and/or democratic politics.
> > America likes to lecture their enemies of the time about everything they did and done. America is busybody in the way that how each country handles their covid crisis is also of their problem when they could not manage themselves. Biden of America lately announced that US has reached a milestone of 1 million covid deaths. If one is to compare against US with other countries, US is way ahead of the crowds in death numbers.
> Actually, negative comments over China's Covid policy is quite fashionable among
> English media including Singapore's Straits Times.
>
> Constructive criticism is fine. But then no one is really offering an alternative to Covid
> zero.
> "Living with the virus"?
> What is hell is living with the virus? Is it not a slogan taking the place of a policy?
> Is it not "Let us pretend or hope we can do better in the foreseeable future"?
> Positive thinking and badly needed sense of normality, of course, could confer
> placebo effect to all.
>
> But the results tell a different story. 170000+ had died in the US during the first 4 months.
> If China fares like the US, it means 680000+ would die during the same period.

Research carried out by group of Chinese and US based scientists suggested a much higher
death toll if the Chinese government failed to control the spread.
Approximately 1.55 million deaths.

"Abstract
Having adopted a dynamic zero-COVID strategy to respond to SARS-CoV-2 variants with higher transmissibility since August 2021, China is now considering whether, and for how long, this policy can remain in place. The debate has thus shifted towards the identification of mitigation strategies for minimizing disruption to the healthcare system in the case of a nationwide epidemic. To this aim, we developed an age-structured stochastic compartmental susceptible-latent-infectious-removed-susceptible model of SARS-CoV-2 transmission calibrated on the initial growth phase for the 2022 Omicron outbreak in Shanghai, to project COVID-19 burden (that is, number of cases, patients requiring hospitalization and intensive care, and deaths) under hypothetical mitigation scenarios. The model also considers age-specific vaccine coverage data, vaccine efficacy against different clinical endpoints, waning of immunity, different antiviral therapies and nonpharmaceutical interventions. We find that the level of immunity induced by the March 2022 vaccination campaign would be insufficient to prevent an Omicron wave that would result in exceeding critical care capacity with a projected intensive care unit peak demand of 15.6 times the existing capacity and causing approximately 1.55 million deaths. However, we also estimate that protecting vulnerable individuals by ensuring accessibility to vaccines and antiviral therapies, and maintaining implementation of nonpharmaceutical interventions could be sufficient to prevent overwhelming the healthcare system, suggesting that these factors should be points of emphasis in future mitigation policies."

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01855-7#Abs1

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 by: stoney - Wed, 1 Jun 2022 18:09 UTC

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 2:09:56 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 11:35:40 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 2:59:59 AM UTC-4, borie wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 6:33:03 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:10:30 PM UTC-4, borie wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 9:27:08 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 9:08:16 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/29/covid-deaths-unvaccinated-boosters/
> > > > > > > "Unvaccinated people accounted for the overwhelming majority of deaths in the United States throughout much of the coronavirus pandemic. But that has changed in recent months, according to a Washington Post analysis of state and federal data.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "The pandemic’s toll is no longer falling almost exclusively on those who chose not to or could not get shots, with vaccine protection waning over time and the elderly and immunocompromised — who are at greatest risk of succumbing to covid-19, even if vaccinated — having a harder time dodging increasingly contagious strains.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The vaccinated made up 42 percent of fatalities in January and February during the highly contagious omicron variant’s surge, compared with 23 percent of the dead in September, the peak of the delta wave, according to nationwide data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention analyzed by The Post."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (980349 -849521)*.42=54947 vaccinated in America had died Covid during January and February of this year.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Virus invasion and immunodefense of a patient is often a matter of which side can ramp up faster. Omicron is a lot less lethal. But highly infectious means a person could be repeatedly invaded from different sources over a short time.
> > > > > > In addition, "Omicron Sublineages Evade Antibodies From Earlier Infections"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "New omicron sublineages show an ability to evade antibodies from earlier
> > > > > > infection and vaccination, a South African laboratory study has found.
> > > > > > The findings could signal a fresh wave of infections by the BA.4 and BA.5
> > > > > > sublineages of the omicron variant that were discovered this month in South Africa. "
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/omicron-sublineages-can-evade-antibodies-from-earlier-infections
> > > > > The world is still in the middle of pandemic. With another new wave coming soon, people will have to follow strict measures again. In South Africa, more than 6,000 cases were new variants BA.4 or BA.5. The case figure will rise as more infections have taken place. Strict control measures will be needed again.
> > > > Smallpox, a variola virus, has been with us for two plus millennia since 3rd Century. And it was not considered
> > > > eradicated until May 8th, 1980 after several failed attempts. At present, we would have to live with the COVID
> > > > virus in the foreseeable future.
> > > >
> > > > Concerning HOW to live the virus, no matter how one sees the situation, it is a matter policy choice for individual
> > > > government. Nations should try to learn from each other and improve each other by diversity. For whatever reason,
> > > > western media keeps criticizing Chinese approach while Western governments have yet to to provide a better
> > > > approach.
> > > >
> > > > Democracy is certainly a matter of democratic politics. Unfortunately, how to deal with a contagious deadly virus
> > > > is and saving lives is NEVER a matter of democracy and/or democratic politics.
> > > America likes to lecture their enemies of the time about everything they did and done. America is busybody in the way that how each country handles their covid crisis is also of their problem when they could not manage themselves. Biden of America lately announced that US has reached a milestone of 1 million covid deaths. If one is to compare against US with other countries, US is way ahead of the crowds in death numbers.
> > Actually, negative comments over China's Covid policy is quite fashionable among
> > English media including Singapore's Straits Times.
> >
> > Constructive criticism is fine. But then no one is really offering an alternative to Covid
> > zero.
> > "Living with the virus"?
> > What is hell is living with the virus? Is it not a slogan taking the place of a policy?
> > Is it not "Let us pretend or hope we can do better in the foreseeable future"?
> > Positive thinking and badly needed sense of normality, of course, could confer
> > placebo effect to all.
> >
> > But the results tell a different story. 170000+ had died in the US during the first 4 months.
> > If China fares like the US, it means 680000+ would die during the same period.
> Research carried out by group of Chinese and US based scientists suggested a much higher
> death toll if the Chinese government failed to control the spread.
> Approximately 1.55 million deaths.
>
> "Abstract
> Having adopted a dynamic zero-COVID strategy to respond to SARS-CoV-2 variants with higher transmissibility since August 2021, China is now considering whether, and for how long, this policy can remain in place. The debate has thus shifted towards the identification of mitigation strategies for minimizing disruption to the healthcare system in the case of a nationwide epidemic. To this aim, we developed an age-structured stochastic compartmental susceptible-latent-infectious-removed-susceptible model of SARS-CoV-2 transmission calibrated on the initial growth phase for the 2022 Omicron outbreak in Shanghai, to project COVID-19 burden (that is, number of cases, patients requiring hospitalization and intensive care, and deaths) under hypothetical mitigation scenarios. The model also considers age-specific vaccine coverage data, vaccine efficacy against different clinical endpoints, waning of immunity, different antiviral therapies and nonpharmaceutical interventions. We find that the level of immunity induced by the March 2022 vaccination campaign would be insufficient to prevent an Omicron wave that would result in exceeding critical care capacity with a projected intensive care unit peak demand of 15.6 times the existing capacity and causing approximately 1.55 million deaths. However, we also estimate that protecting vulnerable individuals by ensuring accessibility to vaccines and antiviral therapies, and maintaining implementation of nonpharmaceutical interventions could be sufficient to prevent overwhelming the healthcare system, suggesting that these factors should be points of emphasis in future mitigation policies."
>
> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01855-7#Abs1

Chinese people should be grateful that the 2 month's lockdown had saved their lives - at least 1.5 million from the city of Shanghai of 20 to 30 million people.

Now, on June 1, they are given the freedom to leave their homes from the lockdowns. Chinese people having experienced the lockdown are aware that another lockdown at home can happen again and again as long as the potential infection or reinfection can happen again and again at anytime.

In short, they know that recurrence of cross-infection can happen any time. Since they have this mind in their heads, they should not make too much noises and grumbles about being confined at home.

Chinese people must cooperate with their government when comes to enforcing the lockdown measures. If they do not do cooperate, the problem will be there for them, too.

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