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* It's difficult being a parent of more than one childpeps...@gmail.com
+* Re: It's difficult being a parent of more than one childTimothy Chow
|`- Re: It's difficult being a parent of more than one childpeps...@gmail.com
+- Re: It's difficult being a parent of more than one childStick Rice
`- Re: It's difficult being a parent of more than one childah....Clem

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Subject: It's difficult being a parent of more than one child
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 by: peps...@gmail.com - Thu, 11 Aug 2022 20:28 UTC

Parents tend to claim that they love all their children just the same.
But the fact is that different children have different personalities,
and therefore may have different levels of appeal.
Unfortunately, favouritism often arises between siblings.

Therefore, even if you think XG and I, in the position below,
have positions that are of the same value, it's unlikely that you
would rate both sides the same way. Either my position or
XG's position must be your favourite.

Whose position do you prefer?
XG's or mine?

And by how much?
And of course the position should take my current roll into account.
After all, parents will consider their child's recent actions when evaluating them.

Paul

XGID=--BB--DbD---bC--abacb-b---:1:-1:1:66:0:0:3:0:10
X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon

Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O O O | | O O O | +---+
| X O | | O O O | | 2 |
| X | | O | +---+
| | | |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | | |
| X | | X |
| X | | X |
| O X O | | X X X |
| O X O | | X X X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 105 O: 128 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 2, O own cube
X to play 66

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From: tchow12...@yahoo.com (Timothy Chow)
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Subject: Re: It's difficult being a parent of more than one child
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 07:01:36 -0400
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 by: Timothy Chow - Fri, 12 Aug 2022 11:01 UTC

On 8/11/2022 4:28 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
> XGID=--BB--DbD---bC--abacb-b---:1:-1:1:66:0:0:3:0:10
> X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon
>
> Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
> +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
> | X O O O | | O O O | +---+
> | X O | | O O O | | 2 |
> | X | | O | +---+
> | | | |
> | | | |
> | |BAR| |
> | | | |
> | X | | X |
> | X | | X |
> | O X O | | X X X |
> | O X O | | X X X |
> +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
> Pip count X: 105 O: 128 X-O: 0-0
> Cube: 2, O own cube
> X to play 66

I think I'd still prefer your position. Obviously, this roll leaves
you with an inflexible position with a lot of nearly-dead checkers.
You could leave a double direct shot soon when O has a strong board.
But having all your checkers escaped to the midpoint when you're
over 40 pips up in the race can cover over a multitude of sins.

---
Tim Chow

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Subject: Re: It's difficult being a parent of more than one child
From: pepste...@gmail.com (peps...@gmail.com)
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 by: peps...@gmail.com - Fri, 12 Aug 2022 21:37 UTC

On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 12:01:41 PM UTC+1, Tim Chow wrote:
> On 8/11/2022 4:28 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
> > XGID=--BB--DbD---bC--abacb-b---:1:-1:1:66:0:0:3:0:10
> > X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon
> >
> > Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
> > +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
> > | X O O O | | O O O | +---+
> > | X O | | O O O | | 2 |
> > | X | | O | +---+
> > | | | |
> > | | | |
> > | |BAR| |
> > | | | |
> > | X | | X |
> > | X | | X |
> > | O X O | | X X X |
> > | O X O | | X X X |
> > +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
> > Pip count X: 105 O: 128 X-O: 0-0
> > Cube: 2, O own cube
> > X to play 66
> I think I'd still prefer your position. Obviously, this roll leaves
> you with an inflexible position with a lot of nearly-dead checkers.
> You could leave a double direct shot soon when O has a strong board.
> But having all your checkers escaped to the midpoint when you're
> over 40 pips up in the race can cover over a multitude of sins.
>
> ---
> Tim Chow
I don't want to roll this out but XG's initial analysis gave me an edge of about 0.06 which is
in line with your thoughts. But I thought I was well behind here -- for one thing I've lost the cube.

Paul

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Subject: Re: It's difficult being a parent of more than one child
From: bananabo...@gmail.com (Stick Rice)
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 by: Stick Rice - Fri, 12 Aug 2022 22:07 UTC

On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 4:28:33 PM UTC-4, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
> Parents tend to claim that they love all their children just the same.
> But the fact is that different children have different personalities,
> and therefore may have different levels of appeal.
> Unfortunately, favouritism often arises between siblings.
>
> Therefore, even if you think XG and I, in the position below,
> have positions that are of the same value, it's unlikely that you
> would rate both sides the same way. Either my position or
> XG's position must be your favourite.
>
> Whose position do you prefer?
> XG's or mine?
>
> And by how much?
> And of course the position should take my current roll into account.
> After all, parents will consider their child's recent actions when evaluating them.
>
> Paul
>
> XGID=--BB--DbD---bC--abacb-b---:1:-1:1:66:0:0:3:0:10
> X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon
>
> Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
> +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
> | X O O O | | O O O | +---+
> | X O | | O O O | | 2 |
> | X | | O | +---+
> | | | |
> | | | |
> | |BAR| |
> | | | |
> | X | | X |
> | X | | X |
> | O X O | | X X X |
> | O X O | | X X X |
> +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
> Pip count X: 105 O: 128 X-O: 0-0
> Cube: 2, O own cube
> X to play 66

Definitely want to be you and I don't see it as close.

Stick

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Subject: Re: It's difficult being a parent of more than one child
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 by: ah....Clem - Sat, 13 Aug 2022 16:39 UTC

On 8/11/2022 4:28 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:

> Whose position do you prefer?
> XG's or mine?
>
> And by how much?
> And of course the position should take my current roll into account.
> After all, parents will consider their child's recent actions when evaluating them.
>
> Paul
>
> XGID=--BB--DbD---bC--abacb-b---:1:-1:1:66:0:0:3:0:10
> X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon
>
> Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
> +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
> | X O O O | | O O O | +---+
> | X O | | O O O | | 2 |
> | X | | O | +---+
> | | | |
> | | | |
> | |BAR| |
> | | | |
> | X | | X |
> | X | | X |
> | O X O | | X X X |
> | O X O | | X X X |
> +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
> Pip count X: 105 O: 128 X-O: 0-0
> Cube: 2, O own cube
> X to play 66
>

Were the cube centered I would have shipped it, and I don't think X's
position has deteriorated, so I prefer X's position. I'd say 70 to 75%
GWC for X.

--
Ah....Clem
The future is fun, the future is fair.

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