"In late April, the Southern Poverty Law Center and Tulchin Research conducted a poll of 1,500 Americans to examine the extent to which the extremist beliefs and narratives that mobilize the hard right have been absorbed by the wider American public.
....
The mood, overall, is pessimistic: 44% of Americans agree that the “U.S. seems headed toward a civil war in the near future,” including 53% of Republicans and 39% of Democrats."

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2022/06/01/poll-finds-support-great-replacement-hard-right-ideas

On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 8:56:44 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> "In late April, the Southern Poverty Law Center and Tulchin Research conducted a poll of 1,500 Americans to examine the extent to which the extremist beliefs and narratives that mobilize the hard right have been absorbed by the wider American public.
> ...
> The mood, overall, is pessimistic: 44% of Americans agree that the “U.S. seems headed toward a civil war in the near future,” including 53% of Republicans and 39% of Democrats."
>
>
> https://www.splcenter.org/news/2022/06/01/poll-finds-support-great-replacement-hard-right-ideas

The right side is getting more and more towards extreme. Just look at the number of guns sold out during Trump's term was absolutely amazing. Trump's speeches ad words drove white people to even buy more stocks of rifles to keep as stockpile for civil war. Stocks of rifles and guns brought to the store for retail sales were sold out in some afternoons.

In some stores, long queues were formed to buy were poor people. Beggars and loafers living under the bridge for food stamps also joined the queue to buy their guns, too. When people living in that cardboard and bridge conditions also bought them, it goes to show that they can sense the blood of civil war has come and will know the day of civil war will soon be ready for them, too.

On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 8:56:44 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> "In late April, the Southern Poverty Law Center and Tulchin Research conducted a poll of 1,500 Americans to examine the extent to which the extremist beliefs and narratives that mobilize the hard right have been absorbed by the wider American public.
> ...
> The mood, overall, is pessimistic: 44% of Americans agree that the “U.S. seems headed toward a civil war in the near future,” including 53% of Republicans and 39% of Democrats."
>
>
> https://www.splcenter.org/news/2022/06/01/poll-finds-support-great-replacement-hard-right-ideas

Vision one or Stage one:

"The second American civil war is already occurring, but it is less of a war than a kind of benign separation
analogous to unhappily married people who don’t want to go through the trauma of a formal divorce.

One America is largely urban, racially and ethnically diverse, and young. The other is largely rural or exurban,
white and older.

The split is accelerating. Red zip codes are getting redder and blue zip codes, bluer. Of the nation’s total 3,143
counties, the number of super landslide counties – where a presidential candidate won at least 80% of the
vote – jumped from 6% in 2004 to 22% in 2020.

Surveys show Americans find it increasingly important to live around people who share their political values.
Animosity toward those in the opposing party is higher than at any time in living memory. Forty-two per cent of
registered voters believe Americans in the other party are “downright evil”.

Almost 40% would be upset at the prospect of their child marrying someone from the opposite party. Even before
the 2020 election, when asked if violence would be justified if the other party won the election, 18.3% of Democrats
and 13.8% of Republicans responded in the affirmative.

Increasingly, each America is running under different laws.

Red states are making it nearly impossible to get abortions but easier than ever to buy guns."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/11/second-american-civil-war-robert-reich

On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 8:38:46 PM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 8:56:44 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > "In late April, the Southern Poverty Law Center and Tulchin Research conducted a poll of 1,500 Americans to examine the extent to which the extremist beliefs and narratives that mobilize the hard right have been absorbed by the wider American public.
> > ...
> > The mood, overall, is pessimistic: 44% of Americans agree that the “U.S. seems headed toward a civil war in the near future,” including 53% of Republicans and 39% of Democrats."
> >
> >
> > https://www.splcenter.org/news/2022/06/01/poll-finds-support-great-replacement-hard-right-ideas
> The right side is getting more and more towards extreme. Just look at the number of guns sold out during Trump's term was absolutely amazing. Trump's speeches ad words drove white people to even buy more stocks of rifles to keep as stockpile for civil war. Stocks of rifles and guns brought to the store for retail sales were sold out in some afternoons.
>
> In some stores, long queues were formed to buy were poor people. Beggars and loafers living under the bridge for food stamps also joined the queue to buy their guns, too. When people living in that cardboard and bridge conditions also bought them, it goes to show that they can sense the blood of civil war has come and will know the day of civil war will soon be ready for them, too.

Your view is close to Version 2 or stage 2 of America's Second Civil War

"In an ad released last year, Blake Masters, a leading candidate in Arizona’s Republican Senate primary,
cradles a semiautomatic weapon. “This is a short-barreled rifle,” he said, ominous music playing in the
background. “It wasn’t designed for hunting. This is designed to kill people.”

For Masters, this isn’t an argument against allowing such guns to proliferate. Rather, it’s an acknowledgment
of why access to these weapons is, for the right, a matter of existential importance. “The Second Amendment
is not about duck hunting,” said Masters. “It’s about protecting your family and your country. What’s the first
thing the Taliban did when Joe Biden handed them Afghanistan? They took away people’s guns.” Guns, in this
worldview, are a guarantor against government overreach. And government overreach includes attempts to
regulate guns.

These days, it’s barely remarkable when Republicans issue what sound like threats against those who’d dare
curtail their private arsenals.
....
Two years ago, David French, an anti-Trump conservative, published a book, “Divided We Fall,” warning of the
possible crackup of the United States. It included two chapters imagining scenarios for how the dissolution of
the country might happen. One involved a mass shooting at a school in California, to which the state’s people
reacted “with white-hot rage.” French envisioned furious state politicians defying the Second Amendment,
leading to a nullification crisis and blue-state secession.

He meant it as a cautionary tale, but rereading the chapter after Uvalde, it feels less bleak than our reality. In
French’s scenario, atrocity has the effect of energizing people rather than immobilizing them. They are determined
to fight, not resigned to defeat. They have audacity and hope.

The real nightmare is not that the repetition of nihilist terrorism brings American politics to an inflection point,
but that it doesn’t. The nightmare is that we simply stumble on, helpless as things keep getting worse."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/27/opinion/uvalde-shooting.html?searchResultPosition=2

On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 11:45:31 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 8:38:46 PM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 8:56:44 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > "In late April, the Southern Poverty Law Center and Tulchin Research conducted a poll of 1,500 Americans to examine the extent to which the extremist beliefs and narratives that mobilize the hard right have been absorbed by the wider American public.
> > > ...
> > > The mood, overall, is pessimistic: 44% of Americans agree that the “U.S. seems headed toward a civil war in the near future,” including 53% of Republicans and 39% of Democrats."
> > >
> > >
> > > https://www.splcenter.org/news/2022/06/01/poll-finds-support-great-replacement-hard-right-ideas
> > The right side is getting more and more towards extreme. Just look at the number of guns sold out during Trump's term was absolutely amazing. Trump's speeches ad words drove white people to even buy more stocks of rifles to keep as stockpile for civil war. Stocks of rifles and guns brought to the store for retail sales were sold out in some afternoons.
> >
> > In some stores, long queues were formed to buy were poor people. Beggars and loafers living under the bridge for food stamps also joined the queue to buy their guns, too. When people living in that cardboard and bridge conditions also bought them, it goes to show that they can sense the blood of civil war has come and will know the day of civil war will soon be ready for them, too.
> Your view is close to Version 2 or stage 2 of America's Second Civil War
>
> "In an ad released last year, Blake Masters, a leading candidate in Arizona’s Republican Senate primary,
> cradles a semiautomatic weapon. “This is a short-barreled rifle,” he said, ominous music playing in the
> background. “It wasn’t designed for hunting. This is designed to kill people.”
>
> For Masters, this isn’t an argument against allowing such guns to proliferate. Rather, it’s an acknowledgment
> of why access to these weapons is, for the right, a matter of existential importance. “The Second Amendment
> is not about duck hunting,” said Masters. “It’s about protecting your family and your country. What’s the first
> thing the Taliban did when Joe Biden handed them Afghanistan? They took away people’s guns.” Guns, in this
> worldview, are a guarantor against government overreach. And government overreach includes attempts to
> regulate guns.
>
> These days, it’s barely remarkable when Republicans issue what sound like threats against those who’d dare
> curtail their private arsenals.
> ...
> Two years ago, David French, an anti-Trump conservative, published a book, “Divided We Fall,” warning of the
> possible crackup of the United States. It included two chapters imagining scenarios for how the dissolution of
> the country might happen. One involved a mass shooting at a school in California, to which the state’s people
> reacted “with white-hot rage.” French envisioned furious state politicians defying the Second Amendment,
> leading to a nullification crisis and blue-state secession.
>
> He meant it as a cautionary tale, but rereading the chapter after Uvalde, it feels less bleak than our reality. In
> French’s scenario, atrocity has the effect of energizing people rather than immobilizing them. They are determined
> to fight, not resigned to defeat. They have audacity and hope.
>
> The real nightmare is not that the repetition of nihilist terrorism brings American politics to an inflection point,
> but that it doesn’t. The nightmare is that we simply stumble on, helpless as things keep getting worse."
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/27/opinion/uvalde-shooting.html?searchResultPosition=2

Maybe (do you think) "US should be divided into divided states (not united states) which is better for the world for themselves and best of all, for the world, too? This means if the US is broken up into independent republics, the US will not be there as federal government to represent them anymore and not have the magnitude to the world too.

On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 9:04:23 PM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 11:45:31 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 8:38:46 PM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> > > On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 8:56:44 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > "In late April, the Southern Poverty Law Center and Tulchin Research conducted a poll of 1,500 Americans to examine the extent to which the extremist beliefs and narratives that mobilize the hard right have been absorbed by the wider American public.
> > > > ...
> > > > The mood, overall, is pessimistic: 44% of Americans agree that the “U.S. seems headed toward a civil war in the near future,” including 53% of Republicans and 39% of Democrats."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > https://www.splcenter.org/news/2022/06/01/poll-finds-support-great-replacement-hard-right-ideas
> > > The right side is getting more and more towards extreme. Just look at the number of guns sold out during Trump's term was absolutely amazing. Trump's speeches ad words drove white people to even buy more stocks of rifles to keep as stockpile for civil war. Stocks of rifles and guns brought to the store for retail sales were sold out in some afternoons.
> > >
> > > In some stores, long queues were formed to buy were poor people. Beggars and loafers living under the bridge for food stamps also joined the queue to buy their guns, too. When people living in that cardboard and bridge conditions also bought them, it goes to show that they can sense the blood of civil war has come and will know the day of civil war will soon be ready for them, too.
> > Your view is close to Version 2 or stage 2 of America's Second Civil War
> >
> > "In an ad released last year, Blake Masters, a leading candidate in Arizona’s Republican Senate primary,
> > cradles a semiautomatic weapon. “This is a short-barreled rifle,” he said, ominous music playing in the
> > background. “It wasn’t designed for hunting. This is designed to kill people.”
> >
> > For Masters, this isn’t an argument against allowing such guns to proliferate. Rather, it’s an acknowledgment
> > of why access to these weapons is, for the right, a matter of existential importance. “The Second Amendment
> > is not about duck hunting,” said Masters. “It’s about protecting your family and your country. What’s the first
> > thing the Taliban did when Joe Biden handed them Afghanistan? They took away people’s guns.” Guns, in this
> > worldview, are a guarantor against government overreach. And government overreach includes attempts to
> > regulate guns.
> >
> > These days, it’s barely remarkable when Republicans issue what sound like threats against those who’d dare
> > curtail their private arsenals.
> > ...
> > Two years ago, David French, an anti-Trump conservative, published a book, “Divided We Fall,” warning of the
> > possible crackup of the United States. It included two chapters imagining scenarios for how the dissolution of
> > the country might happen. One involved a mass shooting at a school in California, to which the state’s people
> > reacted “with white-hot rage.” French envisioned furious state politicians defying the Second Amendment,
> > leading to a nullification crisis and blue-state secession.
> >
> > He meant it as a cautionary tale, but rereading the chapter after Uvalde, it feels less bleak than our reality. In
> > French’s scenario, atrocity has the effect of energizing people rather than immobilizing them. They are determined
> > to fight, not resigned to defeat. They have audacity and hope.
> >
> > The real nightmare is not that the repetition of nihilist terrorism brings American politics to an inflection point,
> > but that it doesn’t. The nightmare is that we simply stumble on, helpless as things keep getting worse."
> >
> > https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/27/opinion/uvalde-shooting.html?searchResultPosition=2
> Maybe (do you think) "US should be divided into divided states (not united states) which is better for the world for themselves and best of all, for the world, too? This means if the US is broken up into independent republics, the US will not be there as federal government to represent them anymore and not have the magnitude to the world too.

The US constitution was written to solve three intertwined problems: slavery, inequality, and power for the short term.
At present, slavery has morphed into systemic discrimination, inequality among people and among different states
are getting worse. The federal government and state governments are supposed to balance each other. But at present,
red states are not in general not happy with federal power.

Above all, Western democracy as practiced in the US does not work. Dysfunctional democracy allows fantasy to become
mainstream and consequently deepening polarization. The following article tells of the story how Koch brothers' 1980
fantasy backed by money has shifted the Overton Window.
https://newrepublic.com/article/154849/david-koch-1980-fantasy

US breaking apart is a real threat, dangerous to US and to the world. The US system needs deep reform ASAP.

On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 2:39:49 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 9:04:23 PM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> > On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 11:45:31 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 8:38:46 PM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 8:56:44 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > "In late April, the Southern Poverty Law Center and Tulchin Research conducted a poll of 1,500 Americans to examine the extent to which the extremist beliefs and narratives that mobilize the hard right have been absorbed by the wider American public.
> > > > > ...
> > > > > The mood, overall, is pessimistic: 44% of Americans agree that the “U.S. seems headed toward a civil war in the near future,” including 53% of Republicans and 39% of Democrats."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.splcenter.org/news/2022/06/01/poll-finds-support-great-replacement-hard-right-ideas
> > > > The right side is getting more and more towards extreme. Just look at the number of guns sold out during Trump's term was absolutely amazing. Trump's speeches ad words drove white people to even buy more stocks of rifles to keep as stockpile for civil war. Stocks of rifles and guns brought to the store for retail sales were sold out in some afternoons.
> > > >
> > > > In some stores, long queues were formed to buy were poor people. Beggars and loafers living under the bridge for food stamps also joined the queue to buy their guns, too. When people living in that cardboard and bridge conditions also bought them, it goes to show that they can sense the blood of civil war has come and will know the day of civil war will soon be ready for them, too.
> > > Your view is close to Version 2 or stage 2 of America's Second Civil War
> > >
> > > "In an ad released last year, Blake Masters, a leading candidate in Arizona’s Republican Senate primary,
> > > cradles a semiautomatic weapon. “This is a short-barreled rifle,” he said, ominous music playing in the
> > > background. “It wasn’t designed for hunting. This is designed to kill people.”
> > >
> > > For Masters, this isn’t an argument against allowing such guns to proliferate. Rather, it’s an acknowledgment
> > > of why access to these weapons is, for the right, a matter of existential importance. “The Second Amendment
> > > is not about duck hunting,” said Masters. “It’s about protecting your family and your country. What’s the first
> > > thing the Taliban did when Joe Biden handed them Afghanistan? They took away people’s guns.” Guns, in this
> > > worldview, are a guarantor against government overreach. And government overreach includes attempts to
> > > regulate guns.
> > >
> > > These days, it’s barely remarkable when Republicans issue what sound like threats against those who’d dare
> > > curtail their private arsenals.
> > > ...
> > > Two years ago, David French, an anti-Trump conservative, published a book, “Divided We Fall,” warning of the
> > > possible crackup of the United States. It included two chapters imagining scenarios for how the dissolution of
> > > the country might happen. One involved a mass shooting at a school in California, to which the state’s people
> > > reacted “with white-hot rage.” French envisioned furious state politicians defying the Second Amendment,
> > > leading to a nullification crisis and blue-state secession.
> > >
> > > He meant it as a cautionary tale, but rereading the chapter after Uvalde, it feels less bleak than our reality. In
> > > French’s scenario, atrocity has the effect of energizing people rather than immobilizing them. They are determined
> > > to fight, not resigned to defeat. They have audacity and hope.
> > >
> > > The real nightmare is not that the repetition of nihilist terrorism brings American politics to an inflection point,
> > > but that it doesn’t. The nightmare is that we simply stumble on, helpless as things keep getting worse."
> > >
> > > https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/27/opinion/uvalde-shooting.html?searchResultPosition=2
> > Maybe (do you think) "US should be divided into divided states (not united states) which is better for the world for themselves and best of all, for the world, too? This means if the US is broken up into independent republics, the US will not be there as federal government to represent them anymore and not have the magnitude to the world too.
> The US constitution was written to solve three intertwined problems: slavery, inequality, and power for the short term.
> At present, slavery has morphed into systemic discrimination, inequality among people and among different states
> are getting worse. The federal government and state governments are supposed to balance each other. But at present,
> red states are not in general not happy with federal power.
>
> Above all, Western democracy as practiced in the US does not work. Dysfunctional democracy allows fantasy to become
> mainstream and consequently deepening polarization. The following article tells of the story how Koch brothers' 1980
> fantasy backed by money has shifted the Overton Window.
> https://newrepublic.com/article/154849/david-koch-1980-fantasy
>
> US breaking apart is a real threat, dangerous to US and to the world. The US system needs deep reform ASAP.

Reform is not possible at all because the system is not changeable at all. If reform is agreed to be resolved by the both parties, then there is hope. If there is hope, then they should initiate reform negotiation.

On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 1:26:15 PM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 2:39:49 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 9:04:23 PM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> > > On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 11:45:31 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 8:38:46 PM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 8:56:44 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > "In late April, the Southern Poverty Law Center and Tulchin Research conducted a poll of 1,500 Americans to examine the extent to which the extremist beliefs and narratives that mobilize the hard right have been absorbed by the wider American public.
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > The mood, overall, is pessimistic: 44% of Americans agree that the “U.S. seems headed toward a civil war in the near future,” including 53% of Republicans and 39% of Democrats."
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.splcenter.org/news/2022/06/01/poll-finds-support-great-replacement-hard-right-ideas
> > > > > The right side is getting more and more towards extreme. Just look at the number of guns sold out during Trump's term was absolutely amazing.. Trump's speeches ad words drove white people to even buy more stocks of rifles to keep as stockpile for civil war. Stocks of rifles and guns brought to the store for retail sales were sold out in some afternoons.
> > > > >
> > > > > In some stores, long queues were formed to buy were poor people. Beggars and loafers living under the bridge for food stamps also joined the queue to buy their guns, too. When people living in that cardboard and bridge conditions also bought them, it goes to show that they can sense the blood of civil war has come and will know the day of civil war will soon be ready for them, too.
> > > > Your view is close to Version 2 or stage 2 of America's Second Civil War
> > > >
> > > > "In an ad released last year, Blake Masters, a leading candidate in Arizona’s Republican Senate primary,
> > > > cradles a semiautomatic weapon. “This is a short-barreled rifle,” he said, ominous music playing in the
> > > > background. “It wasn’t designed for hunting. This is designed to kill people.”
> > > >
> > > > For Masters, this isn’t an argument against allowing such guns to proliferate. Rather, it’s an acknowledgment
> > > > of why access to these weapons is, for the right, a matter of existential importance. “The Second Amendment
> > > > is not about duck hunting,” said Masters. “It’s about protecting your family and your country. What’s the first
> > > > thing the Taliban did when Joe Biden handed them Afghanistan? They took away people’s guns.” Guns, in this
> > > > worldview, are a guarantor against government overreach. And government overreach includes attempts to
> > > > regulate guns.
> > > >
> > > > These days, it’s barely remarkable when Republicans issue what sound like threats against those who’d dare
> > > > curtail their private arsenals.
> > > > ...
> > > > Two years ago, David French, an anti-Trump conservative, published a book, “Divided We Fall,” warning of the
> > > > possible crackup of the United States. It included two chapters imagining scenarios for how the dissolution of
> > > > the country might happen. One involved a mass shooting at a school in California, to which the state’s people
> > > > reacted “with white-hot rage.” French envisioned furious state politicians defying the Second Amendment,
> > > > leading to a nullification crisis and blue-state secession.
> > > >
> > > > He meant it as a cautionary tale, but rereading the chapter after Uvalde, it feels less bleak than our reality. In
> > > > French’s scenario, atrocity has the effect of energizing people rather than immobilizing them. They are determined
> > > > to fight, not resigned to defeat. They have audacity and hope.
> > > >
> > > > The real nightmare is not that the repetition of nihilist terrorism brings American politics to an inflection point,
> > > > but that it doesn’t. The nightmare is that we simply stumble on, helpless as things keep getting worse."
> > > >
> > > > https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/27/opinion/uvalde-shooting.html?searchResultPosition=2
> > > Maybe (do you think) "US should be divided into divided states (not united states) which is better for the world for themselves and best of all, for the world, too? This means if the US is broken up into independent republics, the US will not be there as federal government to represent them anymore and not have the magnitude to the world too.
> > The US constitution was written to solve three intertwined problems: slavery, inequality, and power for the short term.
> > At present, slavery has morphed into systemic discrimination, inequality among people and among different states
> > are getting worse. The federal government and state governments are supposed to balance each other. But at present,
> > red states are not in general not happy with federal power.
> >
> > Above all, Western democracy as practiced in the US does not work. Dysfunctional democracy allows fantasy to become
> > mainstream and consequently deepening polarization. The following article tells of the story how Koch brothers' 1980
> > fantasy backed by money has shifted the Overton Window.
> > https://newrepublic.com/article/154849/david-koch-1980-fantasy
> >
> > US breaking apart is a real threat, dangerous to US and to the world. The US system needs deep reform ASAP.
> Reform is not possible at all because the system is not changeable at all.. If reform is agreed to be resolved by the both parties, then there is hope. If there is hope, then they should initiate reform negotiation.

Agree on not changeable IF you mean amending the US Constitution. But law including Amendment is often
a matter of interpretation. After the first Civil War, the 14th Amendment was added to give the black people
equal right. But the Plessy v Ferguson's separate but equal verdict kept the US a segregated and unequal
nation.

With luck, Chief Justice died in September 1953, Earl Warren was appointed the new Chief Justice overseeing
the Brown v Board of Education case. And with the determination of and skill of Earl Warren, Plessy v Ferguson
was overturned by Brown v Board of Education's resounding 9-0 verdict.

Economic development has also greatly changed US federalism favoring the Federal government. With
more money at hand, the Federal government could often affect local governments with grants before state
government could respond. Whether state governments like Federal solutions or not, Federal laws prevail.

However, at present, the US Federal government is less capable to bribe state and local governments to follow
Federal laws. Digital platforms also greatly enlarge the influence of extremist opinions. Politicalization of
the Judiciary branch is not helping.

On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 11:45:31 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 8:38:46 PM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 8:56:44 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > "In late April, the Southern Poverty Law Center and Tulchin Research conducted a poll of 1,500 Americans to examine the extent to which the extremist beliefs and narratives that mobilize the hard right have been absorbed by the wider American public.
> > > ...
> > > The mood, overall, is pessimistic: 44% of Americans agree that the “U.S. seems headed toward a civil war in the near future,” including 53% of Republicans and 39% of Democrats."
> > >
> > >
> > > https://www.splcenter.org/news/2022/06/01/poll-finds-support-great-replacement-hard-right-ideas
> > The right side is getting more and more towards extreme. Just look at the number of guns sold out during Trump's term was absolutely amazing. Trump's speeches ad words drove white people to even buy more stocks of rifles to keep as stockpile for civil war. Stocks of rifles and guns brought to the store for retail sales were sold out in some afternoons.
> >
> > In some stores, long queues were formed to buy were poor people. Beggars and loafers living under the bridge for food stamps also joined the queue to buy their guns, too. When people living in that cardboard and bridge conditions also bought them, it goes to show that they can sense the blood of civil war has come and will know the day of civil war will soon be ready for them, too.
> Your view is close to Version 2 or stage 2 of America's Second Civil War
>
> "In an ad released last year, Blake Masters, a leading candidate in Arizona’s Republican Senate primary,
> cradles a semiautomatic weapon. “This is a short-barreled rifle,” he said, ominous music playing in the
> background. “It wasn’t designed for hunting. This is designed to kill people.”
>
> For Masters, this isn’t an argument against allowing such guns to proliferate. Rather, it’s an acknowledgment
> of why access to these weapons is, for the right, a matter of existential importance. “The Second Amendment
> is not about duck hunting,” said Masters. “It’s about protecting your family and your country. What’s the first
> thing the Taliban did when Joe Biden handed them Afghanistan? They took away people’s guns.” Guns, in this
> worldview, are a guarantor against government overreach. And government overreach includes attempts to
> regulate guns.
>
> These days, it’s barely remarkable when Republicans issue what sound like threats against those who’d dare
> curtail their private arsenals.
> ...
> Two years ago, David French, an anti-Trump conservative, published a book, “Divided We Fall,” warning of the
> possible crackup of the United States. It included two chapters imagining scenarios for how the dissolution of
> the country might happen. One involved a mass shooting at a school in California, to which the state’s people
> reacted “with white-hot rage.” French envisioned furious state politicians defying the Second Amendment,
> leading to a nullification crisis and blue-state secession.
>
> He meant it as a cautionary tale, but rereading the chapter after Uvalde, it feels less bleak than our reality. In
> French’s scenario, atrocity has the effect of energizing people rather than immobilizing them. They are determined
> to fight, not resigned to defeat. They have audacity and hope.
>
> The real nightmare is not that the repetition of nihilist terrorism brings American politics to an inflection point,
> but that it doesn’t. The nightmare is that we simply stumble on, helpless as things keep getting worse."
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/27/opinion/uvalde-shooting.html?searchResultPosition=2

Here is the scenario according to Pravda.ru writer, Lyuba Lulko

"The first problem is the persona of President Joseph Biden. There are serious doubts about his ability
to govern the country, let alone his mental abilities. Chances for Biden to be removed from power are high.

De facto, this may happen as a result of the Republicans' victory in the coming midterm elections in November.
After that, they will get a majority in the House of Representatives and a few more seats in the Senate. Two
years later, Donald Trump will celebrate his triumphant comeback to the White House.

Problem No. 2: The economic situation has been deteriorating.

Biden called inflation "the bane of existence." The definition says that the president does not see the real causes
for it.

Meanwhile, the inflation in the Unites States has been gathering pace as a result of the thoughtless printing of
money, which made it possible to refinance debts. Absurd economic sanctions against Russia could only add
more
fuel to the fire.
....
Problem No. 3: Violence has been on the march in the United States from coast to coast. Aside from regular
incidents of mass shootings, the Americans now establish armed militia formations.

For example, Patriots for America patrol the US-Mexico border in Texas. Liberal experts, such as philosophy
professor Jason Stanley (Yale University), called these groups "a legal phase of fascism." In contrast, Trumpist
patriots call them "faith-based ministry.""

https://english.pravda.ru/world/152279-biden_usa/

On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 2:39:49 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 9:04:23 PM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> > On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 11:45:31 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 8:38:46 PM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 8:56:44 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > "In late April, the Southern Poverty Law Center and Tulchin Research conducted a poll of 1,500 Americans to examine the extent to which the extremist beliefs and narratives that mobilize the hard right have been absorbed by the wider American public.
> > > > > ...
> > > > > The mood, overall, is pessimistic: 44% of Americans agree that the “U.S. seems headed toward a civil war in the near future,” including 53% of Republicans and 39% of Democrats."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.splcenter.org/news/2022/06/01/poll-finds-support-great-replacement-hard-right-ideas
> > > > The right side is getting more and more towards extreme. Just look at the number of guns sold out during Trump's term was absolutely amazing. Trump's speeches ad words drove white people to even buy more stocks of rifles to keep as stockpile for civil war. Stocks of rifles and guns brought to the store for retail sales were sold out in some afternoons.
> > > >
> > > > In some stores, long queues were formed to buy were poor people. Beggars and loafers living under the bridge for food stamps also joined the queue to buy their guns, too. When people living in that cardboard and bridge conditions also bought them, it goes to show that they can sense the blood of civil war has come and will know the day of civil war will soon be ready for them, too.
> > > Your view is close to Version 2 or stage 2 of America's Second Civil War
> > >
> > > "In an ad released last year, Blake Masters, a leading candidate in Arizona’s Republican Senate primary,
> > > cradles a semiautomatic weapon. “This is a short-barreled rifle,” he said, ominous music playing in the
> > > background. “It wasn’t designed for hunting. This is designed to kill people.”
> > >
> > > For Masters, this isn’t an argument against allowing such guns to proliferate. Rather, it’s an acknowledgment
> > > of why access to these weapons is, for the right, a matter of existential importance. “The Second Amendment
> > > is not about duck hunting,” said Masters. “It’s about protecting your family and your country. What’s the first
> > > thing the Taliban did when Joe Biden handed them Afghanistan? They took away people’s guns.” Guns, in this
> > > worldview, are a guarantor against government overreach. And government overreach includes attempts to
> > > regulate guns.
> > >
> > > These days, it’s barely remarkable when Republicans issue what sound like threats against those who’d dare
> > > curtail their private arsenals.
> > > ...
> > > Two years ago, David French, an anti-Trump conservative, published a book, “Divided We Fall,” warning of the
> > > possible crackup of the United States. It included two chapters imagining scenarios for how the dissolution of
> > > the country might happen. One involved a mass shooting at a school in California, to which the state’s people
> > > reacted “with white-hot rage.” French envisioned furious state politicians defying the Second Amendment,
> > > leading to a nullification crisis and blue-state secession.
> > >
> > > He meant it as a cautionary tale, but rereading the chapter after Uvalde, it feels less bleak than our reality. In
> > > French’s scenario, atrocity has the effect of energizing people rather than immobilizing them. They are determined
> > > to fight, not resigned to defeat. They have audacity and hope.
> > >
> > > The real nightmare is not that the repetition of nihilist terrorism brings American politics to an inflection point,
> > > but that it doesn’t. The nightmare is that we simply stumble on, helpless as things keep getting worse."
> > >
> > > https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/27/opinion/uvalde-shooting.html?searchResultPosition=2
> > Maybe (do you think) "US should be divided into divided states (not united states) which is better for the world for themselves and best of all, for the world, too? This means if the US is broken up into independent republics, the US will not be there as federal government to represent them anymore and not have the magnitude to the world too.
> The US constitution was written to solve three intertwined problems: slavery, inequality, and power for the short term.
> At present, slavery has morphed into systemic discrimination, inequality among people and among different states
> are getting worse. The federal government and state governments are supposed to balance each other. But at present,
> red states are not in general not happy with federal power.
>
> Above all, Western democracy as practiced in the US does not work. Dysfunctional democracy allows fantasy to become
> mainstream and consequently deepening polarization. The following article tells of the story how Koch brothers' 1980
> fantasy backed by money has shifted the Overton Window.
> https://newrepublic.com/article/154849/david-koch-1980-fantasy
>
> US breaking apart is a real threat, dangerous to US and to the world. The US system needs deep reform ASAP.

The structural problem:

"An incipient illegitimacy crisis is under way, whoever is elected in 2022, or in 2024. According to a
University of Virginia analysis of census projections, by 2040, 30% of the population will control 68%
of the Senate. Eight states will contain half the population. The Senate malapportionment gives
advantages overwhelmingly to white, non– college educated voters. In the near future, a Democratic
candidate could win the popular vote by many millions of votes and still lose. Do the math: the federal
system no longer represents the will of the American people."

Can America solve its illegitimacy problem in a hurry?