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On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 3:37:16 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 5:31:44 AM UTC, dosai prata wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:06:27 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:56:23 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 12:54:47 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 5:53:10 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 6:34:48 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > Watch these two videos:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M195UCCCgXQ
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQuy9_LJsNE
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What is it all about? An ethnic Indian MP of Singapore complaining about racial discrimination and prejudices faced by non-Chinese, especially Indians, in Chinese-majority Singapore.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The main grouses? Discrimination faced in employment and rental of properties.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Are these fair complaints?
> > > > > > > With regard to employment, statistics will show that Indians have the highest average of employed among the other major races. As a result, they are also the highest average income earners among the major races. This is not because they are more capable or talented. Its precisely because they have Indian like Janil Puthucheary who is using his position in government to improve the employment opportunities for his fellow Indians. This has been carried out to the extend that Indians in Singapore now expect to get whatever high-paying jobs they apply for. This is not just for local Indians. Even Indians arriving from India expect to be employed easily over non-Indians in Singapore. Otherwise, they will attribute their failures to racial discrimination and complain to the government accordingly.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When it comes to rental of premises, its not only that Chinese prefer Chinese. Indians would prefer Indians and Malays would also prefer Malays. Cultural and religious differences have to be considered. Chinese would avoid Indian tenants because they stink. This is a physical fact, not racism. Indian landlords would avoid Chinese and Malays tenant because of cultural and religious differences. Malays would avoid Chinese and Indian tenants because the latter would be non-Muslims and also pork eaters. Let’s not talk about living under the some roof. Even when they are neighbors, there are disputes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Janil Puthucheary is cherry-picking. There are areas where the non-Chinese, especially Indians, are enjoying unfair advantages and privileges which he does not mention. Take the case of changes in the ethnic proportions in the population. For decades now, the proportion of Indians in Singapore’s population is increasing at the expense of the Chinese. This is against racial equality and therefore, also unconstitutional. It is bloodless ethnic cleansing of the Chinese. As the Indian proportion in Singapore’s population increases, so too attacks of Chinese by Indians.. These are borne out by videos. Indians in Singapore become more anti-Chinese as they gain more political power. The Indian MP Shanmugam, who is also the Minister of Home Affairs, is against increasing the teaching hours of Mandarin in schools. Ex-President S. R. Nathan could not tolerate Mandarin being spoken in his presence. Things are going to get worse for the Chinese as more Indians continue to pour in to Singapore as India’s population growth remains out of control.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is most unfair to the Chinese. While Chinese are increasingly becoming victims of racism, we have an Indian MP repeatedly using videos to portray Chinese as perpetrators of racism. This is working against racial harmony. Imagine if Chinese and Malays MPs would make videos to champion the causes and look after the interests of their own race. Will multi-racialism still work in Singapore?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Janil Puthucheary and others like him should be stopped before race relationships in this country are damaged beyond repair.
> > > > > > Indians mate and breed like pests and never know how to run their country well. Many Indians quit their shithole country and go to other better run countries to seek a living. Yet these Indians carry a superiority complex with them wherever they go. They arrive in those countries expecting to be more successful than the locals there. If they fail to get in to the professions of their choice, they believe it must be because of racism against them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No one can put it more succinctly than this American law professor.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFP4uG7PsEM
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What she says is happening in Singapore. Under a comprehensive trade agreement, CECA, Indians sneak and snake their way into Singapore. Then they would complain about racism when they don’t get the jobs the want. Its been effective. As a result, in some workplaces, e.g. some medical schools and Changi Business Park, its almost exclusively Indians. The Indian CEO of Singapore’s largest bank, DBS, proudly stated that he opened a branch in India purely out of racial affinity. Looking at the growing Indian presence in Singapore, an international Indian author, Parag Khanna, cannot help but remarks that Singapore is turning brown. He goes on to boldly claim that the future of the world will be brown.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yet this ethnic Indian politician in Singapore, Janil Puthucheary, is blind to all these. Instead he makes videos about petty racism faced by Indians in Singapore.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The worse is yet to come. Indians will be a growing menace to Singapore. Under current geopolitics, the US has chosen India as the counterweight against a rising China. The Americans are suspicious of Chinese everywhere. In Singapore they have big investments and a naval base. To be on the safe side, they would like to see more political power for Indians in Singapore. Better still if the island nation is run by an Indian PM. Don’t be surprised that the CIA is actively recruiting Indians in Singapore to work towards this end.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is not wild imagination or speculation. The CIA is known to have attempted to recruit at least one Indian from Malaysia as its agent.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXXuqzQIW34
> > > > > Five years ago, he did some stupid videos of a similar nature. Five years later, he does it again and they are just as stupid.
> > > > >
> > > > > Silly games with lines marked out on the floor where participants have to move a step forward or backward depending on the answers they give to his dump questions on racial issues.
> > > > >
> > > > > Has he no better things to do as an MP? Is this the best way that he can serve his constituency? The GRC system has led in members of the racial minorities like him into the government. He should be made to run in a SMC next. Let’s see if would get re-elected if he were to espouse his race theories during his election campaign.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let me put it to this Indian MP as those racial minorities often put it to Chinese in Singapore with regard to China:
> > > > >
> > > > > “Go back to India”
> > > > >
> > > > > Or is he on a sacred mission to turn Singapore and the world brown?
> > > > >
> > > > > While this Puthucheary is making videos, other Indians are using the print media to stir up Sinophobia in Singapore.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > First a Pew Research Centre survey released in June 2021, which found that 64 per cent of Singaporeans had a favourable view of China, and that Singaporeans were the only ones in the world to view China more positively than the US.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then in September last year, French think-tank Irsem (Institute for Strategic Research at France's Military College) also identified Singapore - where ethnic Chinese make up about three-quarters of the citizen and resident populations - as being particularly vulnerable to Chinese influence..
> > > > >
> > > > > Some weeks back, we have this.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/st-closeup-the-rise-of-pro-china-singaporeans-and-what-it-means-for-singapore
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > While this is still in the online version of the Straits Times after weeks of its first appearance, now we have this.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/spore-is-second-most-influenced-by-china-in-the-world-according-to-taiwan-report
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > These are not unplanned. They are in response to social media articles showing India and Indians influence on Singapore. The Indian-edited Straits Times (ST) has been scouring the world for info to serve as rebuttals.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let’s examine the latest ST article further.
> > > > >
> > > > > “According to the China Index launched late on Monday (April 25) by Taiwan-based research outfit Doublethink Lab.”
> > > > >
> > > > > It’s a new index. The org doing it is geographically Taiwan-based but staffed by American-led Westerners and their Taiwanese dogs.
> > > > >
> > > > > “In the areas of technology, society and academia - but less so for domestic politics - the Republic was found to be especially susceptible to the exposure, pressure and effect of Beijing's influence.”
> > > > >
> > > > > Politics determines the technology, society and academia of a country. If domestic politics is not influenced by China, China having influence on the other areas means nothing.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The examples used as evidences of China’s influence on SG are so petty.
> > > > > “The China Index pointed to the popularity of the WeChat messaging platform among older Chinese-speaking adults here - and TikTok for the younger demographic - as evidence of Chinese influence in the technology domain. “
> > > > >
> > > > > Users of WeChat and TikTok in SG are much fewer than those using Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Whatsapp, YouTube, etc..
> > > > >
> > > > > “the index cited the Hua Yuan and Tian Fu clan associations, which are made up of mostly new Chinese immigrants to Singapore, and whose heads have been invited as special observers at either national- or province-level political consultative conferences in China.”
> > > > >
> > > > > How many Singaporeans have heard of Hua Yuan and Tian Fu? This only shows that the Westerners and Taiwanese are intensively spying on Singapore.
> > > > > Hua Yuan and Tian Fu are nothing compared to Westerners clubs such as American Club, British Club, etc.. The heads of these clubs are also consulted by their countries politicians for info on SG’s society.
> > > > >
> > > > > “In academia, Singapore also placed third, with the US first and Germany second. The index noted Chinese-language teachers have been hired from China to work in schools and tuition centres, along with reports of Chinese-language curriculum material increasingly following China's standards.”
> > > > >
> > > > > SG’s academia is heavily influenced by the West. In fact, its whole education system is a legacy of the British, with growing influence by the Americans. Many non-Chinese foreigners are employed in the academia, holding high positions. There is no Chinese school in SG. The Chinese-language is only taught as a subject in English-medium schools. Under such environment, how much can China influence SG’s academia?
> > > > >
> > > > > “The China Index also cited Singapore Technologies Kinetics and its subsidiary Guizhou Jonyang Kinetics producing an all-terrain personnel carrier based on the Bronco armoured vehicle used by Singapore's army, as a proof point under the military domain. The carrier reportedly saw service in Tibet recently, in support of China's People's Liberation Army troops deployed in the Himalayas.”
> > > > >
> > > > > That’s a petty example. SG works closely with the West and its allies in technology. In some critical technologies, this automatically excludes China, to the detriment of Singapore. Take the case of satellites. SG’s satellites built with Western technologies cannot be launched by Chinese rockets. But launching by Indian rockets is OK.
> > > > >
> > > > > SG provides jobs to non-Chinese foreigners which may later work against the interest of China. Many Indians from India are employed in construction work. When they return to India, they can be deployed to build military infrastructure for the Indian Army in the disputed Himalayan regions bordering China.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > “It also identified a little-known YouTuber called Noel Lee, believed to be Singaporean, who started publishing in March 2021 videos on China that include denials of human rights abuses in the Xinjiang region. Mr Lee's clips are reportedly being shared on messaging platforms such as WhatsApp.”
> > > > >
> > > > > This is petty paranoia. Noel Lee’s Youtube videos on Xinjiang are more travelogues more political statements. There are many other videos on Xinjiang done by Westerners which vehemently debunk the human rights abuses reported in the West.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Why is the Straits Times only concerned about China’s influence on Chinese Singaporeans? What about India’s influence on Indian Singaporeans? Singaporeans know nothing about this through the local media.
> > > > >
> > > > > As both India’s global power and its diaspora grows, India becomes more aggressive in exploiting Overseas Indians to serve its national interest.
> > > > >
> > > > > Diaspora as a soft power in India’s foreign policy towards Singapore
> > > > > https://brill.com/view/journals/bdia/14/2/article-p161_3.xml
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > India is witnessing a revival of Hindutva or Hindu Nationalism. This ideology is about Hindu supremacist has no respect for other religions besides Hinduism. It’s a threat to multi-racial and multi-religious Singapore. The Straits Times should make Singaporeans be more aware of this impending threat.
> > > > Here's another one.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/on-the-ground-negotiating-clashing-chinese-singaporean-identities-amid-chinas-growing-influence
> > > >
> > > > It's because Chinese Singaporeans are siding with China in its disputes with India. And the ST has an ethnic Indian chief editor.
> > > India is trying hard to prove itself to be a good American dog. Indian media criticises China with pleasure.
> > > WION - Worse Indian Online Nonsense has this report:
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLKmFojInZQ
> > >
> > > WTF! When Afghanistan was under a puppet government propped up by American invaders, India invested in many projects there. Indian media was praising India for that.
> > This has been in the online version of the Straits Times (ST) for months now.
> >
> > https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/st-closeup-the-rise-of-pro-china-singaporeans-and-what-it-means-for-singapore
> >
> > Its purpose is obvious - to raise fear among Singaporeans, especially the non-Chinese. The racial minorities will be screaming “Chinese Singaporean is being influenced by a rising China. They will turn Singapore into another China. Singapore will become Chinapore!”.
> >
> > Let’s ignore the intended racism and look at things rationally.
> >
> > Singapore is a tiny nation. To survive, it has no choice but to depend on bigger and mightier nations. Along with the dependency will come the influence. During British colonial times and earlier part of its Independence, Singapore depended on Britain and was under British influence. After the British East of Suez withdrawal, Singapore leapfrogged the region to link up with the West, especially the US. Singapore is currently dependent on the US and as a result, is under heavy American influence. But this will not be eternal. It will change as surely as it has changed from British to American influence.
> >
> > A rising China is increasing its influence on more parts of the world. Is Singapore being influenced by a rising China a problem? The achievements of China have received worldwide recognition. Increasing parts of the world are relying more on China and therefore coming under its influence . Its meritocracy at work. China has helped to connect up the world, develop it and grow its economy. China has earned the merits to influence other nations.. Same reason why Singapore has been heavily influenced by the the US. This cuts across Singapore’s major races, esp. among the Chinese and the Indians. Not so much the Malays. Religion is the factor. Malays, being Muslims, don’t like the Christian West.
> >
> > Instead of raising the fear about Chinese Singaporeans coming under the influence of a rising China, the media here should prepare Singaporeans for the impending influence coming from China. This is meritocracy. It will be good for Singapore. It should be accepted by all Singaporeans, “regardless of race, language or religion”. Those racial minorities of Singapore which refuse to accept the influence of a rising China are only being racists. They can stand aside but should not be allowed to stand in the way of Singapore’s progress to a better future.
> >
> >
> > Why is the English-language-based ST only raising fear about the influence of a rising China on Chinese Singaporeans? This is so racist. Why has it not raised the fear about the influence on Singaporean Indians by a rising India? What about the influence on Malay Singaporeans by a rising Indonesia/Malaysia? Shouldn’t these be of concern too?
> >
> >
> > Looking into the future, Singapore should be more concerned about the influence of a rising India on the Indians in Singapore. Under current geopolitics, India has become the US’s favorite nation to counter a rising China. The two are in all sorts of alliances and dalliances. It will not be just American but Indo-American power which will influence the Asia-Pacific region. Already, this is now being referred to as Indo-Pacific. US would prefer Singapore to get closer to India, to come under India’s influence. It would like to see India’s influence on Singapore grow and glow. Needless to say, this will raise India’s influence on the Indians in Singapore. This should be more worrisome for Singapore because it will not be based on meritocracy but geopolitics.
> >
> > Indians have a notorious history of being used by the Western imperialists and colonialists against their follow Asians. They were used by the Brits to invade China, from the Tibetan border to the coastal areas. They were the armed guards of venues where “Chinese and dogs are not allowed”.
> >
> > One benefit which India seek to gain from the Indo-American partnership is territorial expansion to accommodate its ever increasing population. For this, South-east Asia would be its priority. This region was once under an ancient Indian Empire. Indo-China is a reminder of that. Singapore was originally Singapura, an Indian Sanskrit name. It’s India’s ambition and influence that Singapore has to worry about. The Indian-infested and Indian-edited ST will not raise awareness, let alone concern, about this.
> >
> > The 4th-generation leadership of Singapore should ponder over this. Should it pursue policies to counter the influence of China and encourage that of Indo-America on Singapore?
> What China’s influence on Chinese in Singapore is the ST writing about?
>
> Singapore’s English language media certain do not reflect that.
>
>
> Look at CNA or Channel News Asia.
>
> At the start of every news program, it first reports the time in New Delhi, India and then the time from, not Beijing, but Hong Kong. Why? To reduce the influence of China on Singapore? How petty!
>
> Thre are scrolling text news about the game of cricket every minute of the day. This only serves the interest of the Indians who are cricket-crazy. Games that Singapore and its ethnic Chinese have excelled internationally in such as badminton and table-tennis are much less featured.
>
> It’s been decades since there is Japan Hour, an hour long program narrated fully in the Japs language. Then there’s that Gangnam Insider, another hour long program in Korean langauge
>
> Japan Hour is insensitive to the ethnic Chinese in Singapore which suffered from the atrocities of the Japs Imperial Army during World War Two.
>
> How about an Israel Hour, all narrated in Hebrew? How would our Malay-Muslims feel?
>
> How about a Pakistan Hour, all narrated in Urdu? How would the Indians feel?
>
>
>
> Japan Hour in the 1990’s may be appropriate because of Japan’s economic might then. The world has since changed. China has risen to become the second largest economy in the world. Its economic importance to the region is increasing. It would be more appropriate for CNA to have a China Hour to narrate the progress made in China, its advances in science and technology. This will be more in keeping with the time, with the changes in the world. This should be important to all Singaporeans, “regardless of race, language or religion”.
>
> Why is it not the case? It seems that CNA stands for China/Chinese Not Allowed.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/south-asia/in-india-fake-singapore-profiles-are-a-new-front-in-alleged-foreign-influence-campaigns

According to the above ST article, Chinese based in Singapore's prestigious institutions are trying to recruit journalists in India to write for them. Strait away those Indians smell something fishy. Due to the areas of work and the posts they hold, they believe those Chinese want to use them to spy for China.

This is Indian bullshit. If that's the intention of those Chinese, would they be so dumb as to use Chinese name and blow their cover straight away? An Indian name would provide the best cover. Why are Indian names not used? Because it's Indians from Singapore who have written to those India's journalists with the intentions to make those Indians believe that the Chinese are trying to use them to no good. Then it becomes a big issue: Chinese based in Singapore are covertly trying to recruit India's Indians to spy on India! It's typical cunning Indian racism.

Indians in Singapore have this cunning way to disparage Chinese. Using a Chinese pseudonym they would write to social media like this: Even though I am Chinese, I must admit that we Chinese are (followed by something disparaging about Chinese) . Now they are using the same cunning trick to disparage China.
The truth is this. Indians in Singapore are being used to work for the interest of India. Whenever there are border conflicts between India and China, journalists of Indian ethnicity in Singapore would write articles in support of India. Indians in the Institute of South-Asian Studies of Singapore would write academic articles in favor of India but against China.

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