On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 3:05:42 PM UTC-5, Mike wrote:
> On Jun 29, 2022, Don Stockbauer wrote
> (in article<2261f3d4-2562-4aab...@googlegroups.com>):
> > On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 6:15:47 AM UTC-5, Mike wrote:
> > > On Jun 28, 2022, Don Stockbauer wrote
> > > (in article<5c98d2a7-ed87-4731...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 3:11:22 PM UTC-5, Mike wrote:
> > > > > On Jun 28, 2022, Don Stockbauer wrote
> > > > > (in article<e3a677d6-0d29-43ef...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 5:07:12 AM UTC-5, Mike wrote:
> > > > > > > On Jun 27, 2022, Don Stockbauer wrote
> > > > > > > (in article<43ca8876-5ad4-4012...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > > > On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 11:21:16 AM UTC-5, Mike wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Jun 27, 2022, Don Stockbauer wrote
> > > > > > > > > (in article<4dc91709-324e-47e3...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 3:38:44 AM UTC-5, Mike wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 26, 2022, Don Stockbauer wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > (in article<409ea9fc-3930-4968...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 3:45:49 PM UTC-5, Mike wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 26, 2022, Don Stockbauer wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > (in article<a86a999e-3577-4986...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 12:07:34 PM UTC-5, Mike wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 26, 2022, Don Stockbauer wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in article<9beee855-8d16-460b...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 3:37:05 AM UTC-5, Mike wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 25, 2022, Don Stockbauer wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in article<733cd3a1-6b3b-4886...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, June 25, 2022 at 1:51:25 PM UTC-5, Mike wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 25, 2022, Don Stockbauer wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in article<5f0efa9e-78db-4652...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, June 25, 2022 at 9:45:15 AM UTC-5, Mike wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 25, 2022, Don Stockbauer wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in article<547c4621-5cca-488b...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, June 25, 2022 at 4:34:07 AM UTC-5, Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 24, 2022, Don Stockbauer wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in article<38488b7e-6170-4a4e...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 7:43:21 AM UTC-5, Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 22, 2022, Don Stockbauer wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in article<aa2ca7bb-865b-4807...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes the language is called Ada , it was written for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOD
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Johnson space Center while I was there , so you've
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference engine and you say serial number two ,how
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > build
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The London Computer History Museum(if I recall
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correctly)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > built
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ran out of money to build the printer for it. So a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silicon
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Valley
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > millionaire
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave them the money to finish and to build a second
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Until he could find a place for it first in his home (
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wife
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objected)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then in his business it was kept at the Computer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Museum
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mountain
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > View.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During the day, at specified times, the staff would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > demonstrate
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Go to YouTube,com and search for babbage difference
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > engine 2
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael LeVine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mle...@redshift.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Politics is the art of looking for trouble,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finding it everywhere,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diagnosing it incorrectly,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and applying the wrong remedies.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Groucho Marx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Douglas Hofstadter's tome "Godel, Escher, Bach" on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > page
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 740
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reverse acronym
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and it goes : C, EGABBAB: "Compose ever greater
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > artificial
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brains
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by)." I changed it a little and came up with "Compose
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ever
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greater
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > global
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > systems (by and by)." I sent that to him July 17, 2003
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reply
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > although he did reply to a lot of things I sent him .
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trouble
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's impossible to know if it was he or a graduate
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > student.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asimov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was , a one-man show.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh well, no pun.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you sy this is a no pun and closed topic???
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael LeVine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mle...@redshift.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Politics is the art of looking for trouble,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finding it everywhere,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diagnosing it incorrectly,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and applying the wrong remedies.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Groucho Marx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh no I'd like to continue on you see at one time we were
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enemies
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wasn't sure whether we could continue on then we got to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > friends
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like we're dearest friends right here so even though I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > puns
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means my particular post had no puns not that the thread
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > end. it is the rarest of the rare that two people become
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > antagonistic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yet
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > later become dearest best friends later.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not ready to be in an Alphonse and Gastone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael LeVine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mle...@redshift.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Politics is the art of looking for trouble,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finding it everywhere,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diagnosing it incorrectly,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and applying the wrong remedies.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Groucho Marx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No , I want you to form a relationship first, then I will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I keep my relations at arms length. They all have their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hands
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > money.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael LeVine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mle...@redshift.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Politics is the art of looking for trouble,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finding it everywhere,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diagnosing it incorrectly,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and applying the wrong remedies.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Groucho Marx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that was my ex-wife all the way having a hand out for money ,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trouble
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't say anything about it because the rest of our lives
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and she might find out about this post directly or through a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > third-party
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then boy would I be in trouble although I never hear from her
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anymore.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But that is neither hear nor there.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael LeVine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mle...@redshift.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Politics is the art of looking for trouble,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finding it everywhere,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diagnosing it incorrectly,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and applying the wrong remedies.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Groucho Marx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If something is neither here nor there it can't be anywhere
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there covers it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He must be there as you used hare remover on him
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael LeVine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mle...@redshift.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Politics is the art of looking for trouble,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finding it everywhere,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diagnosing it incorrectly,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and applying the wrong remedies.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Groucho Marx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wasn't Elmer Fudd a hare remover , or else a wanna be hare
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > remover
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps he was a member of Hare-y Krishna
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael LeVine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > mle...@redshift.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Politics is the art of looking for trouble,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > finding it everywhere,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > diagnosing it incorrectly,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and applying the wrong remedies.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Groucho Marx
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Most of those Krishna guys are bald , but there are a few Hairy
> > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnas.
> > > > > > > > > > > This a splinter group that wigged out after learning the teaching of
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > original group
> > > > > > > > > > > Michael LeVine
> > > > > > > > > > > mle...@redshift.com
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Politics is the art of looking for trouble,
> > > > > > > > > > > finding it everywhere,
> > > > > > > > > > > diagnosing it incorrectly,
> > > > > > > > > > > and applying the wrong remedies.
> > > > > > > > > > > Groucho Marx
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > A splinter group ? why don't these people learn to wear gloves while
> > > > > > > > > > they're
> > > > > > > > > > working wood?
> > > > > > > > > They are trying to carve out their own image.
> > > > > > > > > Michael LeVine
> > > > > > > > > mle...@redshift.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Politics is the art of looking for trouble,
> > > > > > > > > finding it everywhere,
> > > > > > > > > diagnosing it incorrectly,
> > > > > > > > > and applying the wrong remedies.
> > > > > > > > > Groucho Marx
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And create an image isomorphic to the Golden Calf? That's playing with
> > > > > > > > fire.
> > > > > > > And making an ark enemy of someone you should not have.
> > > > > > > Michael LeVine
> > > > > > > mle...@redshift.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Politics is the art of looking for trouble,
> > > > > > > finding it everywhere,
> > > > > > > diagnosing it incorrectly,
> > > > > > > and applying the wrong remedies.
> > > > > > > Groucho Marx
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There's this certain kind of ant that gives witches a lot of problems ;
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > has a name, it's called the coven ant.
> > > > > Thats one way to compact all your problems into a small package
> > > > > Michael LeVine
> > > > > mle...@redshift.com
> > > > >
> > > > > Politics is the art of looking for trouble,
> > > > > finding it everywhere,
> > > > > diagnosing it incorrectly,
> > > > > and applying the wrong remedies.
> > > > > Groucho Marx
> > > >
> > > > There was objection to
> > > > calling people below average height either dwarfs or midgets so the
> > > > politically correct came up
> > > > "little people" but that's no good because a little person could be a child
> > > > so they studied the problem, now the latest appellation for these people is
> > > > "compact citizens”.
> > > Thats the problem with the P.C. cloud. They spend most of their time trying
> > > to stamp out the appearance of a problem (even if there is not one)
> > > and not on actually solving real the real problems.
> > > Michael LeVine
> > > mle...@redshift.com
> > >
> > > Politics is the art of looking for trouble,
> > > finding it everywhere,
> > > diagnosing it incorrectly,
> > > and applying the wrong remedies.
> > > Groucho Marx
> >
> > I really object to businesses grabbing up common names for their stupid
> > business products, we have things like Infiniti for a car, Babble for
> > language learning software (which I really like, naming it "Babble"), so
> > Little Johnny is taken out on a field trip and teacher says "What's that
> > fluffy looking cottony thing up in the sky there?" and Johnny says "I don't
> > know " and teacher says "Well, that's a cloud" and little Johnny says "No,
> > the Cloud is 1400 trillion billion gazillion megabytes of storage that The
> > Machines will use to create the Singularity and kill off Humanity.”
> But the cloud is just some one else’s computer who you do not know
> and blindly trust to keep your stuff safe.
> Michael LeVine
> mle...@redshift.com
>
> Politics is the art of looking for trouble,
> finding it everywhere,
> diagnosing it incorrectly,
> and applying the wrong remedies.
> Groucho Marx

yeah but that pervades all human miserable existence . banks keep your money until someone steals it. you give your car to a parking valet and it winds up in Mexico. you take your little 5 year old daughter to a daycare center and she's repeatedly raped while you're gone . and the Cloud is the same way . what people don't know is if they have their videos and still pictures saved to the cloud then next time they're off having sex with Rover that goes too and how long will it be there ? well without Putin it would be there until the sun vaporizes the Earth but with Putin here probably about three days.